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Jex said:
February’s Classic Car Magazine has an article comparing the 328 GTS to a Lotus Esprit Turbo and a Lamborghini Jalpa. Naturally the 328 comes out best! In the article it says it doesn’t have ABS, but it has the convex wheels of an ABS car.
I’m reading February’s Classic Cars magazine now and there’s no such article, or is that a different magazine? Can you link it, or scan/photograph the relevant pages? I always fancied a Jalpa: much rarer than a 328.LotusOmega375D said:
Jex said:
February’s Classic Car Magazine has an article comparing the 328 GTS to a Lotus Esprit Turbo and a Lamborghini Jalpa. Naturally the 328 comes out best! In the article it says it doesn’t have ABS, but it has the convex wheels of an ABS car.
I’m reading February’s Classic Cars magazine now and there’s no such article, or is that a different magazine? Can you link it, or scan/photograph the relevant pages? I always fancied a Jalpa: much rarer than a 328.Roony said:
I thought they made a few cars with the convex wheels minus the ABS in 88....
According to Robert Foskett in 'Ferrari 308, 328 and 348 The Complete Story' by Robert Foskett: Jex said:
February’s Classic Car Magazine has an article comparing the 328 GTS to a Lotus Esprit Turbo and a Lamborghini Jalpa. Naturally the 328 comes out best! In the article it says it doesn’t have ABS, but it has the convex wheels of an ABS car.
"Road wheel design was revised simultaneously [with the adoption of ABS], the wheel spokes and centres bulging slightly to offer additional space behind for the ECU -controlled Teves Mk2 system."
However, he continues: "These wheels were then installed on all subsequent 328s, as well as 3.2 Mondials, whether or not ABS was installed" So you could be right. Perhaps owners had a choice of whether they wanted ABS or not.
Jex said:
Roony said:
I thought they made a few cars with the convex wheels minus the ABS in 88....
According to Robert Foskett in 'Ferrari 308, 328 and 348 The Complete Story' by Robert Foskett: Jex said:
February’s Classic Car Magazine has an article comparing the 328 GTS to a Lotus Esprit Turbo and a Lamborghini Jalpa. Naturally the 328 comes out best! In the article it says it doesn’t have ABS, but it has the convex wheels of an ABS car.
"Road wheel design was revised simultaneously [with the adoption of ABS], the wheel spokes and centres bulging slightly to offer additional space behind for the ECU -controlled Teves Mk2 system."
However, he continues: "These wheels were then installed on all subsequent 328s, as well as 3.2 Mondials, whether or not ABS was installed" So you could be right. Perhaps owners had a choice of whether they wanted ABS or not.
Pre-88.5 cars
Post 88.5 cars
The post 88.5 cars had their front suspension geometry changed, officially: To give the cars better anti-dive characteristics under braking.
in reality: it was to allow Ferrari to cut costs by fitting the same front suspension as was being used on the 3.2 Mondial.
The revised geometry required different "pick up" points for the front suspension, which meant the original concave front wheels could no longer be fitted to the cars, and convex wheels had to be used.
At the same time they introduced the revised front suspension, In most markets, such as the USA and in mainland Europe, Ferrari made ABS an option. In the UK, ABS became a standard factory fit.
This is why non-ABS post 88.5 cars still have convex wheels. It's nothing to do with the ABS system, it's to do with the front suspension "pick up" points - Non ABS post 88.5 cars cannot use the concave wheels.
4rephill said:
in reality: it was to allow Ferrari to cut costs by fitting the same front suspension as was being used on the 3.2 Mondial.
The revised geometry required different "pick up" points for the front suspension, which meant the original concave front wheels could no longer be fitted to the cars, and convex wheels had to be used.
Thankyou! Very interesting re the reason. From a driver perspective, what impact did this have?The revised geometry required different "pick up" points for the front suspension, which meant the original concave front wheels could no longer be fitted to the cars, and convex wheels had to be used.
4rephill said:
In the UK, ABS became a standard factory fit.
Thank you for that clarification. If ABS became standard in the UK, then presumably all 328s with convex wheels first delivered in the UK would have ABS?In terms of how the changes affect the driving experience, I don't know - I have only driven 328s which have had ABS. One had had the ABS 'removed' because it had 288 GTO wheels and the ABS equipment would not fit behind them. I have always found the brakes very effective and have never had the ABS activate.in spite of braking fairly hard, which either means it doesn't come in too early or it isn't working! I suspect the former.
I’ve luckily had a few of each over the years. Very little in the suspension feel/performance. If you’ve not driven it for a while, the major wake up call is jumping in and forgetting no assisted steering. Bit of a workout shocker initially and then all is forgotten at the first turn. Steering feel is joyously transparent, loaded with information and connection; something that’s mostly gone in today’s cars. A very capable and wonderful little Ferrari
LotusOmega375D said:
Surely a comprehensive service and/or MOT history will confirm or otherwise the displayed mileage? My 1991 Mondial T cabriolet has a file going back to Day 1, where you can see the mileage evolve over the following 30 odd years. I really can’t imagine someone bothering to disconnect and reconnect the odometer between every service and MOT just to “save” a few miles on cars like this that cover so little annual mileage anyway.
It’s so easy to reach under and unplug it when you arrive home from its annual MOT / service .Then go on a euro hoon or what ever ?
Re plug it when you feel the need .
That’s the reason there’s a lot of low milers and it makes a mockery of the OCD garage Queen owners who play it with a straight bat .
Consider marrying the most beautiful women and sparing shagging her “ in your tenure” .
Divorce ( or you pass away ) ….she now free and inevitably finds another partner all you have done saved her for the next guy .
Seat sagging , loose / worn steering bushes , shagged suspension bushes , shiny steering wheel , are the tell tails .Assuming it’s paint work has been “ brought up to [ insert dealers ] show room standards “ You know a nose job and backs of mirrors done ….as is normal theses days .
Buy on condition…..the one with the tallest pile of paperwork showing parts replaced .
GDPR just facilitates a thin history reason by dealers , they love it hides a 1000 sins .
Or buy from a reputable Ferrari specialist like Shiltech , Kent high performance, + many more .
The ones who service / repair them and also do sales .
That way it’s been through there shop and been brought up to date .Obviously it’s odo will be connected FWIW and any speedo changes fully recorded .The speedo changes are not the problem that’s a cul d sac .
I can’t think of any other marque that’s so £ / milage sensitive blokes loose sleep over .
4rephill said:
rat rod said:
philwild said:
Did anyone watch the auction for this car yesterday?
https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/14150785 through Historics Auctions
It looks like it didn't reach reserve as it was passed in.
Anyone know what the bidding got to?
£90K https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/14150785 through Historics Auctions
It looks like it didn't reach reserve as it was passed in.
Anyone know what the bidding got to?
"£149,995 Offers invited"
https://www.carandclassic.com/car/C1550741
4rephill said:
4rephill said:
rat rod said:
philwild said:
Did anyone watch the auction for this car yesterday?
https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/14150785 through Historics Auctions
It looks like it didn't reach reserve as it was passed in.
Anyone know what the bidding got to?
£90K https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/14150785 through Historics Auctions
It looks like it didn't reach reserve as it was passed in.
Anyone know what the bidding got to?
"£149,995 Offers invited"
https://www.carandclassic.com/car/C1550741
JDH1 said:
4rephill said:
4rephill said:
rat rod said:
philwild said:
Did anyone watch the auction for this car yesterday?
https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/14150785 through Historics Auctions
It looks like it didn't reach reserve as it was passed in.
Anyone know what the bidding got to?
£90K https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/14150785 through Historics Auctions
It looks like it didn't reach reserve as it was passed in.
Anyone know what the bidding got to?
"£149,995 Offers invited"
https://www.carandclassic.com/car/C1550741
Over on Collecting Cars - sadly no good for my 308, but could be nice for someone on here…
https://collectingcars.com/plates/328-gou-number-p...
https://collectingcars.com/plates/328-gou-number-p...
4rephill said:
They previously turned down £90K because they were (unrealistically) looking for @ £150K
I'm not sure if you've noticed but this vehicle is now listed for sale @ £78KI reached out to ask some questions. It can't be taken for a test drive as the owner does not want any more miles on the clock prior to sale but it can be run up to temperature.
I got a copy of the recommissioning report.
The last cam belt service was 14 years ago. At recommissioning, an inspection was done but the belts were not replaced (nor associated work).
Oil and filter were checked and oil topped up, but not replaced (report recommended replacement but not done).
Fuel tank was leaking and was removed and repaired/welded, the refitted. Fuel filter, pump, accumulator and some pipes were replaced.
Air filter was replaced.
Here's the work report if anyone's interested. I fell the owner has spent the absolute minimum to get it saleable. Anyone care to comment/thoughts?
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