Gallardo going up in price?
Discussion
70proof said:
won't have me arguing with you as i love the gallardo..... but the PET bit is merely comestic and standard CCB's.... even the squadra corsa is more a cosmetic upgrade on the sl/performante...
http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/lamborghini/ga...
love the carbon interior of these cars, and they are brutal to drive, but if i bought any lp variant it would be the 2wd variant..... the twitchy rear really intensifies the driving experience.... you bloodly well concentrate a hell of a lot more!
To be clear the Superleggera and Performante are far more than cosmetic upgrades but yes the Edizione Tecnica bit is really only cosmetic with standard Carbon Ceramic brakes but that was about a £10k upgrade and very few performantes have them specced for that very reason so worth having IMHO. In my case the Rosso Mars red paintwork also makes it more exclusive and reportedly there are only 4 in this combo in the UK.http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/lamborghini/ga...
love the carbon interior of these cars, and they are brutal to drive, but if i bought any lp variant it would be the 2wd variant..... the twitchy rear really intensifies the driving experience.... you bloodly well concentrate a hell of a lot more!
I think I would definitely find the 2 WD too lairy, afterall 550 bhp through the rear 2 wheels is proper mental and for me the extra confidence of 4WD probably lets me extract a little more from the car
( I don't profess to be Seb Vettell so 4WD flatters the average driver )
2WD is for the proper hardcore enthusiasts who probably enjoy a good few track days which is not my thing in such an expensive car. If I went down that road I would get an arial atom TBH
Lamborghini built over 14,000 Gallardos, compared to just shy of 18,000 Ferrari 360s and a similar number of F430s. With each new Ferrari model you see a drop in prices of the old model, not immediately, but over time as the new model filters into the marketplace. The same will most likely happen with Lamborghini. They build far too many for them to maintain value through rarity, and there is an inevitablility that many owners will want to move up to the latest and greatest model, leaving the old model behind.
The special editions are harder to predict, mainly because there are so many different variants it is hard to decipher the wheat from the chaff, and you'd have to be a hardcore G enthusiast to bother trying. I dont think the casual supercar buyer could tell a Superleggera from a Performante from a Squadra Corse, let alone understand the subtle nuances in their relative specifications. In this sense the Ferrari way is much easier - one mainstream model, one hardcore special edition. That is partly why CS and Scud values remain so much stronger than the mainstream models; the clear definition. That and the fact that the Ferrari collector market is unique, so you can't necessarily use that as a yardstick for any other manufacturer.
The special editions are harder to predict, mainly because there are so many different variants it is hard to decipher the wheat from the chaff, and you'd have to be a hardcore G enthusiast to bother trying. I dont think the casual supercar buyer could tell a Superleggera from a Performante from a Squadra Corse, let alone understand the subtle nuances in their relative specifications. In this sense the Ferrari way is much easier - one mainstream model, one hardcore special edition. That is partly why CS and Scud values remain so much stronger than the mainstream models; the clear definition. That and the fact that the Ferrari collector market is unique, so you can't necessarily use that as a yardstick for any other manufacturer.
thegreenhell said:
Lamborghini built over 14,000 Gallardos, compared to just shy of 18,000 Ferrari 360s and a similar number of F430s. With each new Ferrari model you see a drop in prices of the old model, not immediately, but over time as the new model filters into the marketplace. The same will most likely happen with Lamborghini. They build far too many for them to maintain value through rarity, and there is an inevitablility that many owners will want to move up to the latest and greatest model, leaving the old model behind.
The special editions are harder to predict, mainly because there are so many different variants it is hard to decipher the wheat from the chaff, and you'd have to be a hardcore G enthusiast to bother trying. I dont think the casual supercar buyer could tell a Superleggera from a Performante from a Squadra Corse, let alone understand the subtle nuances in their relative specifications. In this sense the Ferrari way is much easier - one mainstream model, one hardcore special edition. That is partly why CS and Scud values remain so much stronger than the mainstream models; the clear definition. That and the fact that the Ferrari collector market is unique, so you can't necessarily use that as a yardstick for any other manufacturer.
So with twice as many Ferraris to Lamborghini's built over the lifetime of the Gallardo, Lamborghini is definitely more exclusive and you would like to think that with the undoubted superior build quality these 2 factors would make Lambo residuals even stronger. Strange ?The special editions are harder to predict, mainly because there are so many different variants it is hard to decipher the wheat from the chaff, and you'd have to be a hardcore G enthusiast to bother trying. I dont think the casual supercar buyer could tell a Superleggera from a Performante from a Squadra Corse, let alone understand the subtle nuances in their relative specifications. In this sense the Ferrari way is much easier - one mainstream model, one hardcore special edition. That is partly why CS and Scud values remain so much stronger than the mainstream models; the clear definition. That and the fact that the Ferrari collector market is unique, so you can't necessarily use that as a yardstick for any other manufacturer.
Ferrari's following is probably stronger with a better pedigree and racing heritage but I do feel you pay through the nose for all of the "branding".
I have 2 Kia's as my daily drives and I am amazed at the quality of these vehicles , with a 7 year warranty, relatively speaking to some of my supercar toys. I know Kia has come a long way and the brand will get even stronger but their vehicles offer real quality and value for money, something you could never say about Ferrari
GRBF430F1 said:
So with twice as many Ferraris to Lamborghini's built over the lifetime of the Gallardo, Lamborghini is definitely more exclusive and you would like to think that with the undoubted superior build quality these 2 factors would make Lambo residuals even stronger. Strange ?
Ferrari's following is probably stronger with a better pedigree and racing heritage but I do feel you pay through the nose for all of the "branding".
I have 2 Kia's as my daily drives and I am amazed at the quality of these vehicles , with a 7 year warranty, relatively speaking to some of my supercar toys. I know Kia has come a long way and the brand will get even stronger but their vehicles offer real quality and value for money, something you could never say about Ferrari
So Lamborghini build their cars more slowly than Ferrari. Rate of production becomes irrelevant once the model is obsolete, and they still built over 14,000 of them, which is a lot in supercar terms, and almost as many as either of the separate models of 360M or F430.Ferrari's following is probably stronger with a better pedigree and racing heritage but I do feel you pay through the nose for all of the "branding".
I have 2 Kia's as my daily drives and I am amazed at the quality of these vehicles , with a 7 year warranty, relatively speaking to some of my supercar toys. I know Kia has come a long way and the brand will get even stronger but their vehicles offer real quality and value for money, something you could never say about Ferrari
Supercar brand values aren't defined by build quality, or how much new-car warranty you got with them. So long as enough people are prepared to 'pay through the nose' for the Ferrari brand then that will determine the brand value, and as a partial consequence the residual values of their products.
Frio3535 said:
"Ferrari's following is probably stronger with a better pedigree and racing heritage but I do feel you pay through the nose for all of the "branding".
It's like you've forgotten the Audi R8 V10.
I know what you mean but better an audi than a fiat lol.It's like you've forgotten the Audi R8 V10.
The audi might share the Lambo engine but styling wise it looks "Dumpy". Not what I would call a pretty car although very capable for an "audi".
I had a new £65k RS4 convertible and it annoyed the hell out of me when people use to say nice Audi mate is it an A4.
In some ways I'd rather be on the bottom run of the higher brand than at the top of a lower brand. I've got a 991 GT3 on order but only consider that to be a top end sports car rather than a supercar because you just know people will say nice Porsche mate.
Obviously there is a cost to a higher brand and I like to think I'm not just a badge snob and also judge a car on its merits but there are times when the prestige manufacturers overstep the mark. Eg £100,000 of options on a 458
Edited by GRBF430F1 on Saturday 30th November 19:00
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