Huracan 610-4 and 640-4 EVO buying advice

Huracan 610-4 and 640-4 EVO buying advice

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Masterplan

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53 posts

5 months

Thursday 8th February
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All,

I'm looking to get back into something sporty and enjoyable this year.

I'm looking at two potential Lamborghini options - Huracan 610-4 and 640-4 EVO. Alos looking at 992 GT3, 488GTB and 600LT.

Both Lamborghini models are at each end of my budget and I would appreciate some buying advice.

I am looking at these cars:

My gut feeling is to lean towards the newer cars - EVO - for the benefit of additional warranty cover.

Is there anything else I should consider as decision factors between the two? I've read the service threads on this forum and have a rough idea of what to expect on that front. Any other considerations?

It'll be my first supercar, coming from 911s in the past and looking at a number of car models, but these have a strong pull due to the V10.

PS - apologies for the broken links, I am not permitted to post direct links due to it being a new account.


Edited by Masterplan on Thursday 8th February 09:28

zedmtrappe

250 posts

99 months

Thursday 8th February
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EVO 2 & 3 links are the same ?

For the benefit of others:

EVO 1

EVO 2

610-4 1

610-4 2

610-4 3


I love Spyders so would be tempted to go 610's but otherwise EVO all day long..

Masterplan

Original Poster:

53 posts

5 months

Thursday 8th February
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I’d love a spyder too, which is the allure of the 610-4 but keep getting my heard turned by the EVO.

Can you see the EVO prices dropping much? Might determine if a EVO Spyder is possible

70proof

6,061 posts

158 months

Thursday 8th February
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Do watch Evo rwd reviews, many felt this hit the sweet spot for ride and steering feel, ultimately slower but plenty fast enough...

And yes, get a V10, it pure genius

zedmtrappe

250 posts

99 months

Thursday 8th February
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EVO RWD Spyder is the one to go for then!

But no I don't see prices coming down any time soon - in fact I think they are only going to go up so buy now whilst you still can ! ( ... but then .. I do have some skin in the game so maybe not the most impartial opinion on the matter ! )



mikiec

313 posts

89 months

Thursday 8th February
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I’d definitely cross shop a performante with the EVO if you’re going for a coupe.

This has also come up in your price range, if it passes a comprehensive PPI I’d be very interested in it if I was in your position

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202401245...

Edited by mikiec on Thursday 8th February 21:25

Palmball

1,275 posts

177 months

Friday 9th February
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Masterplan, I've had most of the cars (or similar) you mention on your shortlist - 488, 570S plus 720S, AMG GT and also a prolific 911 and R8 owner over the years.

I love McLaren's to drive - they're superb dynamically and the 570S's were largely reliable but, after failing to find a 720S that worked properly (we're told they exist, just not in my experience...although they are the best car I've driven when working), then being somewhat nonplussed about the 488 (a very pretty car but one of my least favourite to drive), I was almost going to give up on supercars. Never had a Lamborghini and always viewed the Huracan as an expensive R8, and after six R8's I just never saw the value.

I eventually dragged myself to try one after having run out of other options that I'd not already tried and, frankly, I've not looked back. Yes, they're obviously related to the R8 as, when you drive one, in some respects there are similarities. However, the Lamborghini is notably firmer and sportier in feel, it's louder, it feels totally different from the drivers seat (worse in many respects, especially visibility and tech) and it feels twice as special even if objectively, it might not really be any better.

They don't drive as well, or at least as feelsome as the McLaren's, they're perhaps not as pretty as the Ferrari, and they're less easy to live with and throw around than the 911's, R8's etc. However as an overall ownership proposition I can't think of much not to like - they sound better than anything else and they're still superb dynamically - let's get this into context because the Huracan can get a rum deal in the press but in my ownership experience they're extremely competent and, as a road car, they're at least as capable as the best of anything else...they perhaps just lack the directness and feel of the McLaren and 911's. They're very well built and have an excellent reliability record (after 8 McLaren's, this is worth a lot!) but, most of all...for me...they make every drive a fantastic sense of occasion more than anything else I've had.

My first one was a 610-4 and, being a 2017 car, it had some of the newer software for things like the steering. I've never driven an older Huracan but am led to believe a 2017 or later is a much improved car. This car also had the Lamborghini OEM race exhaust and I have to say, it was the best sounding car I've ever had (and probably will ever have) by a country mile. I bought it with 15k miles, used it daily for two years (in fact in those two years I owned it twice as I sold it, regretted doing so and bought it back) and when I sold it last year, it had done 33k miles. I had two main dealer services in that time, with the minor service costing c.£1.7k and major c.£4k. Lamborghini warranty was bulletproof (I needed it twice for a couple of minor things) and cost c.£3k pa and the main reason I sold it was the increasing miles and impending inability to renew the warranty after 7 years.

My second one was a Performante which was a huge step up price wise. Now I'm going to go out on a whim and say something that'll probablyl be unpopular here, but the I think the difference between the standard car and Performante is one over-exaggeration. It set an expectation that I just didn't think the car could deliver on. Yes, it was a bit better dynamically but as a road car, the differences were nuances rather than night and day. Perhaps it's because I had a later model standard car so the differences were less or perhaps the fact the Performante sounded nowhere near as good as the standard car with the race exhaust...I don't know, but I was driving around in it and wishing I was in the previous car.

It didn't last long before I changed it for an Evo, a car widely deemed better than the pre-Evo but not as good as the Performante. I think the Evo's aesthetic updates work really well in making it look more modern than either of the others (and in fact to these eyes I think it's the best looking even compared to Tecnica and STO, but again just IMO). It still doesn't sound as good as the 610-4 with race exhaust - it's a smoother, less vibratory, sound but it seems to be louder than the Performante which I didn't expect (it is a MY2020...being mindful that newer Evo's are rumoured to get quieter with every year from 2021 onwards so I bought an early one). I suspect an Evo / Performante will sound better than 610-4 without a race exhaust. The Evo's 4WS does make it feel exceptionally direct, it rides a bit better than a 610-4 and it just feels a little more 'developed'.

Few things to note, although again I suspect I might be in the minority with these:

I personally like the dynamic steering option, mainly because I found the standard rack (as was fitted to my Perf) very very slow. It feels marginally less natural, but for me I think its a worthwhile trade off for the added directness

If you like listening to audio in the car, be aware the standard audio is woeful, so if this is important to you then seek out a car with Sensonum which improves it notably (although still don't go expecting B&W or Burmester like quality!)

The infotainment in the Evo is terrible...thankfully the CarPlay works very well (and a Carlinkit adaptor to make it wireless is also very effective). I can't believe the Italians gave up access to the vast VW group's reserves in this area and designed their own utter cr@p system (although it does at least look good) which is functionally a huge backwards step versus the Audi-derived system in the pre-Evo's.

On balance I would say the Evo feels like a further step on vs the standard car than the Performante felt and is probably the version I'd choose again, but I do wish it could have an exhaust like my first one!







lambo666

454 posts

121 months

Friday 9th February
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a friend has a lovely black evo rwd coupe (late 72 reg 4.8k miles) he might sell soon as he just received his gt3 touring.
Private message me, if this is of any interest.

PinkHouse

1,133 posts

60 months

Friday 9th February
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I concur what Palmball said regarding the race exhaust on the 610. Small world - I actually was really tempted to buy your car when it came up for sale off-market at Pangbourne and it was genuinely the best road car sound I've ever heard


RSbandit

2,664 posts

135 months

Friday 9th February
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Palmball said:
Masterplan, I've had most of the cars (or similar) you mention on your shortlist - 488, 570S plus 720S, AMG GT and also a prolific 911 and R8 owner over the years.

I love McLaren's to drive - they're superb dynamically and the 570S's were largely reliable but, after failing to find a 720S that worked properly (we're told they exist, just not in my experience...although they are the best car I've driven when working), then being somewhat nonplussed about the 488 (a very pretty car but one of my least favourite to drive), I was almost going to give up on supercars. Never had a Lamborghini and always viewed the Huracan as an expensive R8, and after six R8's I just never saw the value.

I eventually dragged myself to try one after having run out of other options that I'd not already tried and, frankly, I've not looked back. Yes, they're obviously related to the R8 as, when you drive one, in some respects there are similarities. However, the Lamborghini is notably firmer and sportier in feel, it's louder, it feels totally different from the drivers seat (worse in many respects, especially visibility and tech) and it feels twice as special even if objectively, it might not really be any better.

They don't drive as well, or at least as feelsome as the McLaren's, they're perhaps not as pretty as the Ferrari, and they're less easy to live with and throw around than the 911's, R8's etc. However as an overall ownership proposition I can't think of much not to like - they sound better than anything else and they're still superb dynamically - let's get this into context because the Huracan can get a rum deal in the press but in my ownership experience they're extremely competent and, as a road car, they're at least as capable as the best of anything else...they perhaps just lack the directness and feel of the McLaren and 911's. They're very well built and have an excellent reliability record (after 8 McLaren's, this is worth a lot!) but, most of all...for me...they make every drive a fantastic sense of occasion more than anything else I've had.

My first one was a 610-4 and, being a 2017 car, it had some of the newer software for things like the steering. I've never driven an older Huracan but am led to believe a 2017 or later is a much improved car. This car also had the Lamborghini OEM race exhaust and I have to say, it was the best sounding car I've ever had (and probably will ever have) by a country mile. I bought it with 15k miles, used it daily for two years (in fact in those two years I owned it twice as I sold it, regretted doing so and bought it back) and when I sold it last year, it had done 33k miles. I had two main dealer services in that time, with the minor service costing c.£1.7k and major c.£4k. Lamborghini warranty was bulletproof (I needed it twice for a couple of minor things) and cost c.£3k pa and the main reason I sold it was the increasing miles and impending inability to renew the warranty after 7 years.

My second one was a Performante which was a huge step up price wise. Now I'm going to go out on a whim and say something that'll probablyl be unpopular here, but the I think the difference between the standard car and Performante is one over-exaggeration. It set an expectation that I just didn't think the car could deliver on. Yes, it was a bit better dynamically but as a road car, the differences were nuances rather than night and day. Perhaps it's because I had a later model standard car so the differences were less or perhaps the fact the Performante sounded nowhere near as good as the standard car with the race exhaust...I don't know, but I was driving around in it and wishing I was in the previous car.

It didn't last long before I changed it for an Evo, a car widely deemed better than the pre-Evo but not as good as the Performante. I think the Evo's aesthetic updates work really well in making it look more modern than either of the others (and in fact to these eyes I think it's the best looking even compared to Tecnica and STO, but again just IMO). It still doesn't sound as good as the 610-4 with race exhaust - it's a smoother, less vibratory, sound but it seems to be louder than the Performante which I didn't expect (it is a MY2020...being mindful that newer Evo's are rumoured to get quieter with every year from 2021 onwards so I bought an early one). I suspect an Evo / Performante will sound better than 610-4 without a race exhaust. The Evo's 4WS does make it feel exceptionally direct, it rides a bit better than a 610-4 and it just feels a little more 'developed'.

Few things to note, although again I suspect I might be in the minority with these:

I personally like the dynamic steering option, mainly because I found the standard rack (as was fitted to my Perf) very very slow. It feels marginally less natural, but for me I think its a worthwhile trade off for the added directness

If you like listening to audio in the car, be aware the standard audio is woeful, so if this is important to you then seek out a car with Sensonum which improves it notably (although still don't go expecting B&W or Burmester like quality!)

The infotainment in the Evo is terrible...thankfully the CarPlay works very well (and a Carlinkit adaptor to make it wireless is also very effective). I can't believe the Italians gave up access to the vast VW group's reserves in this area and designed their own utter cr@p system (although it does at least look good) which is functionally a huge backwards step versus the Audi-derived system in the pre-Evo's.

On balance I would say the Evo feels like a further step on vs the standard car than the Performante felt and is probably the version I'd choose again, but I do wish it could have an exhaust like my first one!






Really like the look of that Evo with the matte paint, doesn't work on some cars but on a Huracan it really does. I'm on my second Mclaren at the moment (600LT which is great) and tbh I think the only car I would consider away from the brand is a Huracan Evo, they sound like a solid proposition although the servicing costs look a good bit higher than Mclaren? The STO is incredible to look at especially in a single colour rather than with the decals and contrasts but at £100k over the Evo with no boot space it's a tough square to circle.

Palmball

1,275 posts

177 months

Friday 9th February
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PinkHouse said:
I concur what Palmball said regarding the race exhaust on the 610. Small world - I actually was really tempted to buy your car when it came up for sale off-market at Pangbourne and it was genuinely the best road car sound I've ever heard

Well I bought it twice so tells you how highly I rated that car vs others in the market. I went back to a 911 after the first year of owning it to get rear seats (I have two six year olds) but instantly regretted that move and a few weeks later, when I looked at the Huracan market, I could see no other 610-4 that came close in terms of spec. So I bought it back and thankfully Lamborghini Birmingham who I sold it to were quite kind in the process.

When I eventually traded it in another year later for a Perf (what a disaster) it was really only because I deemed the mileage (33k) too high and and age of it meant it could not be warranted by Lamborghini from this year onwards.

The crying shame, given what a fantastic car it was, is they sold it to a competition business (7 days performance) who then modified it (lowered and put a body kit on FFS) and sold it for 85p biggrin

I don't think I will ever experience a car that sounds like that again and, reading the Huracan forum on LamoTalk, general consensus is that no aftermarket exhaust comes close to the factory race system. The best bit about it was how well engineered it was in terms of no vibrations and how refined it would be when cruising (probably the difference being it's an OEM system). Ahhhhh....

Edited by Palmball on Friday 9th February 21:02

Palmball

1,275 posts

177 months

Friday 9th February
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RSbandit said:
Really like the look of that Evo with the matte paint, doesn't work on some cars but on a Huracan it really does. I'm on my second Mclaren at the moment (600LT which is great) and tbh I think the only car I would consider away from the brand is a Huracan Evo, they sound like a solid proposition although the servicing costs look a good bit higher than Mclaren? The STO is incredible to look at especially in a single colour rather than with the decals and contrasts but at £100k over the Evo with no boot space it's a tough square to circle.
Thanks, it's Grigio Artis and I'd never ordinarily buy a silver or grey car (is it silver or grey? Grigio suggests grey but I say silver). But the crazy spec got my attention (by luck, because it was atrociously advertised with almost no options listed...but it has pretty much everything), and when I saw it in real life I was impressed by how the paint looked - it's pretty classy for a Huracan and shows the light so well.

The wheels were black when I bought it - had them changed to bronze for a bit of a change but I'm on the fence which I like best (it came from the factory with the titanium grey coloured wheels which also look good).

Service costs - yes, I'd say significantly more with Lamborghini. Trying to remember what it cost on the McLarens - about £1k minor and £2.5k major? If so, Lamborghini are about 80% more - easily the most expensive car I've had to maintain with service and warranty costs. A bit of galling really when all the oily bits are all but identical to the R8...and R8's do not cost this. I'd have servicing done by a third party like RE Performance if it wasn't for making it trickier to sell - I'm not sure a main dealer would even buy it (at least to trade themselves).



Edited by Palmball on Saturday 10th February 00:29

Masterplan

Original Poster:

53 posts

5 months

Friday 9th February
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lambo666 said:
a friend has a lovely black evo rwd coupe (late 72 reg 4.8k miles) he might sell soon as he just received his gt3 touring.
Private message me, if this is of any interest.
Can you PM me details please? My account appears to be too new to do that yet. Sorry!

Masterplan

Original Poster:

53 posts

5 months

Friday 9th February
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Palmball said:
Masterplan, I've had most of the cars (or similar) you mention on your shortlist - 488, 570S plus 720S, AMG GT and also a prolific 911 and R8 owner over the years.

I love McLaren's to drive - they're superb dynamically and the 570S's were largely reliable but, after failing to find a 720S that worked properly (we're told they exist, just not in my experience...although they are the best car I've driven when working), then being somewhat nonplussed about the 488 (a very pretty car but one of my least favourite to drive), I was almost going to give up on supercars. Never had a Lamborghini and always viewed the Huracan as an expensive R8, and after six R8's I just never saw the value.

I eventually dragged myself to try one after having run out of other options that I'd not already tried and, frankly, I've not looked back. Yes, they're obviously related to the R8 as, when you drive one, in some respects there are similarities. However, the Lamborghini is notably firmer and sportier in feel, it's louder, it feels totally different from the drivers seat (worse in many respects, especially visibility and tech) and it feels twice as special even if objectively, it might not really be any better.

They don't drive as well, or at least as feelsome as the McLaren's, they're perhaps not as pretty as the Ferrari, and they're less easy to live with and throw around than the 911's, R8's etc. However as an overall ownership proposition I can't think of much not to like - they sound better than anything else and they're still superb dynamically - let's get this into context because the Huracan can get a rum deal in the press but in my ownership experience they're extremely competent and, as a road car, they're at least as capable as the best of anything else...they perhaps just lack the directness and feel of the McLaren and 911's. They're very well built and have an excellent reliability record (after 8 McLaren's, this is worth a lot!) but, most of all...for me...they make every drive a fantastic sense of occasion more than anything else I've had.

My first one was a 610-4 and, being a 2017 car, it had some of the newer software for things like the steering. I've never driven an older Huracan but am led to believe a 2017 or later is a much improved car. This car also had the Lamborghini OEM race exhaust and I have to say, it was the best sounding car I've ever had (and probably will ever have) by a country mile. I bought it with 15k miles, used it daily for two years (in fact in those two years I owned it twice as I sold it, regretted doing so and bought it back) and when I sold it last year, it had done 33k miles. I had two main dealer services in that time, with the minor service costing c.£1.7k and major c.£4k. Lamborghini warranty was bulletproof (I needed it twice for a couple of minor things) and cost c.£3k pa and the main reason I sold it was the increasing miles and impending inability to renew the warranty after 7 years.

My second one was a Performante which was a huge step up price wise. Now I'm going to go out on a whim and say something that'll probablyl be unpopular here, but the I think the difference between the standard car and Performante is one over-exaggeration. It set an expectation that I just didn't think the car could deliver on. Yes, it was a bit better dynamically but as a road car, the differences were nuances rather than night and day. Perhaps it's because I had a later model standard car so the differences were less or perhaps the fact the Performante sounded nowhere near as good as the standard car with the race exhaust...I don't know, but I was driving around in it and wishing I was in the previous car.

It didn't last long before I changed it for an Evo, a car widely deemed better than the pre-Evo but not as good as the Performante. I think the Evo's aesthetic updates work really well in making it look more modern than either of the others (and in fact to these eyes I think it's the best looking even compared to Tecnica and STO, but again just IMO). It still doesn't sound as good as the 610-4 with race exhaust - it's a smoother, less vibratory, sound but it seems to be louder than the Performante which I didn't expect (it is a MY2020...being mindful that newer Evo's are rumoured to get quieter with every year from 2021 onwards so I bought an early one). I suspect an Evo / Performante will sound better than 610-4 without a race exhaust. The Evo's 4WS does make it feel exceptionally direct, it rides a bit better than a 610-4 and it just feels a little more 'developed'.

Few things to note, although again I suspect I might be in the minority with these:

I personally like the dynamic steering option, mainly because I found the standard rack (as was fitted to my Perf) very very slow. It feels marginally less natural, but for me I think its a worthwhile trade off for the added directness

If you like listening to audio in the car, be aware the standard audio is woeful, so if this is important to you then seek out a car with Sensonum which improves it notably (although still don't go expecting B&W or Burmester like quality!)

The infotainment in the Evo is terrible...thankfully the CarPlay works very well (and a Carlinkit adaptor to make it wireless is also very effective). I can't believe the Italians gave up access to the vast VW group's reserves in this area and designed their own utter cr@p system (although it does at least look good) which is functionally a huge backwards step versus the Audi-derived system in the pre-Evo's.

On balance I would say the Evo feels like a further step on vs the standard car than the Performante felt and is probably the version I'd choose again, but I do wish it could have an exhaust like my first one!
Massively appreciate the effort that went into your post, thank you.

The EVO seems to stick out from the pack, but I really do need to test drive everything properly.

Palmball

1,275 posts

177 months

Saturday 10th February
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The biggest advice on these, and it's been suggested already, if you're buying from anywhere that's not a main dealer then you must get an inspection and mileage check done at a main dealer. Just don't skimp on that, no matter how inconvenient.

The build quality and robustness of them, combined with the apparent catastrophic impact of mileage to value means these seem to be pretty rife for clocking - spoken to a couple of traders who have (or nearly have) been caught out by this.

70proof

6,061 posts

158 months

Saturday 10th February
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palmball, lovely car and great insight, i think you sum it up nicely.....

for me...they make every drive a fantastic sense of occasion more than anything else I've had.

also, is the factory race exhaust unobtanium, and different from the factory sports exhaust?

RUNDLL

158 posts

123 months

Saturday 10th February
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OP, Really intrigued by your comments on the race exhaust Vs Perf exhaust. The Perfs exhaust, when valves open, is basically straight through.. so much so that when viewed from behind, you can see the red glow of the headers. I can't image the race exhaust is any louder than the Perf, what did you find better? Was it the actual tone? I know the Perf exhaust doesn't mix the 2x 5 cylinder banks together when valves open, instead, each of the 2x exhaust tips you see from the rear is serving each header. I don't know what the race exhaust looks like, but as it exists lower in the rear bumper, I wonder if the two banks meet at an X pipe to give a nicer tone?

RUNDLL

158 posts

123 months

Saturday 10th February
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Masterplan said:
lambo666 said:
a friend has a lovely black evo rwd coupe (late 72 reg 4.8k miles) he might sell soon as he just received his gt3 touring.
Private message me, if this is of any interest.
Can you PM me details please? My account appears to be too new to do that yet. Sorry!

I concur, I know this car and it's owner too. Near new, well looked after.

Palmball

1,275 posts

177 months

Saturday 10th February
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70proof said:
palmball, lovely car and great insight, i think you sum it up nicely.....

for me...they make every drive a fantastic sense of occasion more than anything else I've had.

also, is the factory race exhaust unobtanium, and different from the factory sports exhaust?
Thank you, very kind comments.

As for it being unobtanium, it's definitely very different from the sports exhaust. Here's a couple of interesting documents from Lamborghini which I got off another forum on the differences between the exhausts - the Race is a whole 10db (a colossal difference) louder than the Sport, plus it also releases a bit more power so I suspect it has different, freer flowing cats.

You occasionally see Huracan's come up for sale with the race exhaust but they tend to be very early 2014/15 Huracan's - I can't recall seeing another like the one I had which was a later (pre-Evo) car with the race exhaust. I don't know if you can still buy it as an accessory from Lamborghini but there still seem to be some resellers offering it for sale (at a spicy c.£10k for the part alone) like here: https://www.mlperformance.co.uk/products/genuine-l...








RUNDLL said:
OP, Really intrigued by your comments on the race exhaust Vs Perf exhaust. The Perfs exhaust, when valves open, is basically straight through.. so much so that when viewed from behind, you can see the red glow of the headers. I can't image the race exhaust is any louder than the Perf, what did you find better? Was it the actual tone? I know the Perf exhaust doesn't mix the 2x 5 cylinder banks together when valves open, instead, each of the 2x exhaust tips you see from the rear is serving each header. I don't know what the race exhaust looks like, but as it exists lower in the rear bumper, I wonder if the two banks meet at an X pipe to give a nicer tone?
Assume aimed at me not the OP, but yes, I can absolutely with 100% confidence say the Race exhaust on a 610-4 sounds much, much better than the exhaust on the Performante and Evo (both of which are the same system and to my ears having had both cars back to back sound all but identical).

Why this is the case I can't explain because I agree, the Perf/Evo is essentially a straight through...although it's not really because it still has to go through cats and hence I have a suspicion the 610-4's factory race exhaust (which is not actually factory fit as it could only be fitted as an accessory by a dealer) has different and freer flowing cats, but I don't know that for a fact.

Perhaps it goes to show that a good sound doesn't only depend on a straight exit with minimal restriction and is instead the fruits of great engineering.

The Race exhaust was not only notably louder (especially on start up) but the tone and visceral feel of it was quite spectacular - when I say 'feel', you could literally feel the yet there were never any unwanted resonances. I cannot say I get that kind of experience from the Evo or Performante before it.



Edited by Palmball on Saturday 10th February 21:19

lambo666

454 posts

121 months

Sunday 11th February
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Hi Masterplan, please change your settings so that I can email you with regards to my friends car.
He has just sent me some pictures to forward on to you.
Thanks.