1st Lambo - UK Purchase - Need all experienced owners help

1st Lambo - UK Purchase - Need all experienced owners help

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tigertiger12

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130 posts

42 months

Monday 18th December 2023
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I'm looking to buy an Aventador S Coupe, should I avoid the 1st MY 2017?. The 2019 MY seems good value. Currently there is a high mileage 2017 with 32k miles for £200 and a low mileage 2018 with 3500 miles for £235 and a 2019 with 7500 miles at £250. Then a 2020 with 6500 miles for £300 which is too much for me unless i set up a 'go fund me', but I may get told to 'go fund myself'!
Is there any likelihood of getting a discount at these prices? If so, what would be realistic?
£200 is really the ball park I am looking for but as it's 'the dream' and the 2019 will have more warranty time and seems good value, I will stretch. The cheapest on AT is £150 for a 2012 with 31k miles.

Will prices come down slightly when the replacement starts to be delivered? I could delay for another year but I really do not want to as I've already waited. I think there is some room for prices to come down when new 24 plate cars are delivered (obviously not 24 aventador's) So am keeping an eye on prices and MY's from now.

Just prior to covid I was looking for a Huracan, then shortly after covid started prices shot up. As a result I decided to wait as I found it hard to spend more than what I had seen they were selling for. Prices were like at least £20k up. It was a real shame I took my time as I may have been able to buy and drive one for 2 or 3 years and sell it for close to what I paid, or at least with less depreciation. I did not keep an eye on aventador pricing as it was out of my league at the time. In any case the wait has now pushed me towards being able to fund an Aventador, even if at the cheaper end of the scale. I really would like the experience even if only for 2 years. In any case I will work harder to try to keep it for as long as I can, but this also depends on any unforseen costs.

Are there any MY's I need to avoid? Not just for the 'S' but any variant?

What is the max length of time the Lambo warranty can be extended for? Seems to be 7 years? Or is it at 7 yrs old the last time you can extend the warranty?
If 7 years or whenever, what is the max extension?
Many seem to live without the warranty, I will decide as I get closer but am thinking it would be a better option for me.

Are there any other 3rd party warranty options that are decent. My only concern from what I have read would be transmission / gearbox coverage.

how much is a new gearbox / transmission?
Worst case how much is a rebuild?

When are the service intervals? Mainly want to know the minor and major intervals and rough costing?

I'm looking to buy for the summer but need the info about the extended warranty. I am likely only going to keep the car for 2 / 3 years for the experience, so thinking of buying one with a warranty and selling it with a warranty, even if it is the last year. Any further advice would be great.

Maybe better buying with a warranty if it's a private purchase and if from Amari, Romans or the other fellow or his son then thinking I should be ok?? Is this daft? If private can i get it inspected at Lambo? If so, how much?

Do they come with warranty and service packages from new? If so what are the details such as how long are these usually? 2 / 3 or 4 years? or more? Do lambo do service packages? Does this mean no cost servicing or are there costs involved? Or is it just Ferrari that do service packages? I was kinda thinking of getting a newer huracan like the EVO 4 that is under warranty and has plenty of life left in the warranty even after selling it, but those doors and the top speed of the aventador is a huge problem for the 10 yr old inside me. I cant see me being able to get a Huracan then an Aventador after as costs on either will be high. If it is possible I may be able to go from the aventador to a huracan to decrease costs and if I cannot sustain the aventador. The other more viable option is to go from the aventador to a 911 turbo s which is much more affordable and I could keep it for longer.

Do novitec and capristo invalidate the warranty? Anything else I should look out for that invalidates the warranty? Not loooking for anything that's been modded.

I may need a roof box, really not sure but would be handy for a few days / weekends away. Any recommendations that will fit such as which Thule? Or any other that is cheaper than the lambo one? Doesn't need to be huge, are there any with wheels so i can wheel it to a hotel room? Laugh at me if you wish!

thank you in advance, any help is much appreciated. Sorry if this is long, just trying to give people and idea of my train of thought. The warranty and pricing questions are more for experienced U.K based owners (past and present) and would love to hear from others from all over the globe for the other queries. I know my USA brothers and sisters have a vast amount of experience of these cars.

johnnyreggae

2,964 posts

163 months

Monday 18th December 2023
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tigertiger12 said:
I may need a roof box Any recommendations that will fit such as which Thule?
My local Halfords has lots of experience fitting this type of thing to Miuras so I am sure they could help !

TP321

1,483 posts

201 months

Monday 18th December 2023
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The 2017 car with 32k miles will either have been a “wedding” hire car or a track experience car, so best avoided

andrew

10,013 posts

195 months

Monday 18th December 2023
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johnnyreggae said:
tigertiger12 said:
I may need a roof box Any recommendations that will fit such as which Thule?
My local Halfords has lots of experience fitting this type of thing to Miuras so I am sure they could help !
my local convinced me that it was easier to fix a tow bar

andrew

10,013 posts

195 months

Monday 18th December 2023
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TP321 said:
The 2017 car with 32k miles will either have been a “wedding” hire car or a track experience car, so best avoided
mine had 37k at six years, and i don't recall doing either !

Kerniki

2,073 posts

24 months

Monday 18th December 2023
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I have the worst of the bunch in terms of risk, a 2014 coupe and love it, 4 years into non lambo warranty but have run ‘platinum’ RAC warranty that was tailor made to the garage i bought from and its been brilliant on 3 largish claims, 2 of which were made outside of the uk, for £1800 p.a its easily paid for itself.

If i changed it , it would be for a borialis roadster S, a much better ride than the other models and i’m no fan of all the wings etc on sv/j but thats personal, carplay is unimportant imo which comes on some.

Gearbox is terrible vs modern dct but i love it as you have to master changes like an old manual gearbox (as thats what it is really)

Purchase of mine was deliberately delayed until i possessed more useable supercars because i knew it was so niche in its usability, something to think about if its going to be a 2nd or 3rd weekend car, for me it was the best decision i made and has kept it the most special in my line up, might not be the case for you as its not for some others but for me it was going to be a long term ownership and i wanted to preserve its ‘specialness’

They are epic like no other apart from maybe a Pagani, i own &drive all sorts of supercars and rally with many hypercars etc and nothing does theatre like a V12 scissor door Lambo, unfortunately the attention is on another level which you may like or may not, i’m not a huge fan but deal with it, fortunately i live where i can be a bit selective in this regard, in a busy country like the uk i probably wouldn't bother but who knows, better to own it than not because of others or restrictions.

Whatever your choice, its one of those cars you’ll either love for its old school stance or sell in an instance and buy a Hurracan, if you get it? It’ll be one of your most memorable car experiences you’ll ever have, good luck!

tigertiger12

Original Poster:

130 posts

42 months

Monday 18th December 2023
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"nothing does theatre like a V12 scissor door Lambo." - Kerniki 18th Dec 2023!

-This is what gets me here!

I'm good with the gearbox, I like to think I am sensible and want to enjoy this memorable experience without burning too large a hole in my pockets through my own negligence. I wont be driving like a loon. It's more keeping the dream alive and not wanting to ruin the experience myself. I would need carplay, but if a module can be fitted I could get this done, not sure if this comes on the 'S' model but will check. I wish I could keep it and it may be possible but I don't want to let myself down and am happy to accept selling it. I do believe that with the advent of electric cars the aventador will eventually rise in value. I don't think it will go crazy and it will take at least 10 years, but I do think the car is iconic, has that analogue element, V12, doors, sleek, sharp styling etc that will aid it's rise in value over the higher production numbers of the huracan, door doors, sleek but less aggressive styling which will have more cars with higher mileage also. Therefore, I wish you luck and hope you keep your aventador for many years to come. In this case it could well be a bargain!

Thank you very much for sharing your experience and the info you have provided. It has been very helpful.

cgt2

7,133 posts

191 months

Monday 18th December 2023
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If you do a search there was a thread a couple of months ago covering pretty much the same ground.

For me the S is the pick of the bunch. I've done quite a few miles in them and 4WS makes it far more usable than earlier cars. Still a big car but far more maneuverable.

tigertiger12

Original Poster:

130 posts

42 months

Monday 18th December 2023
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cgt2 said:
If you do a search there was a thread a couple of months ago covering pretty much the same ground.

For me the S is the pick of the bunch. I've done quite a few miles in them and 4WS makes it far more usable than earlier cars. Still a big car but far more maneuverable.
Thanks, I will have a look for this thread.

I agree that the 'S' is the pick of the bunch from the research I have done.
The SV and SVJ would be less comfortable for me and while I like the look of the big shouty wing to look at, I do prefer the 'S' where the rear wing is part of the body of the car, very sleek. Also while big shouty wings look good, they slow the car down and the closest mine would get to a track is the car park!

Brilliant info about the 4WS from someone with the experience, thanks.


cgt2

7,133 posts

191 months

tigertiger12

Original Poster:

130 posts

42 months

Monday 18th December 2023
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cgt2 said:
Thanks cgt2, I did find it as it was on the first page! An interesting read indeed.
Has given me much to think about.

I am still unsure about the max length of the warranty though?
If it is 7 years or if at 7 years you can put a last year on? Not sure if i missed it on that thread but I will have another read and worst case I can ask a Lambo dealer.

I will just ensure to get a car within the warranty, then see how it goes and whether to keep it for even just a year for the experience.
I'm still not totally disheartened but will think more over the next week or so.

The quora thread was deep! Maybe some minor differences, the 'S' is more comfortable and the 4WS is handy compared to the SV the chaps talks about in the thread. The rest is obvious though a good eye opener for someone who is new to supercars. Certain things such as the sat nav and the sound system being useless I already know. I hear what he says about the Mclaren 720S but they also depreciate more and the panel gaps put me off. The visibility and lack of 360 camera is bad but I am sensible. I know the performante will be quicker but not a concern for me.

I wonder if he got the car in the end, I will try to reply or PM him if I can. The hostility is a shame, I too have experienced this before from the Mclaren guys when I decided against it and decided on a huracan. People love to jump on people and turn others against posters, especially with claiming the poster is not actually interested in buying a car. Even if so, so what. Just don't reply but the purpose is to turn others against posters which only reflects on those people. It is easier to not respond. I was about to buy a haracan but covid hit and prices shot up. It just means that now I can afford to fund an aventador, so for me I feel it has worked out better. Well I hope he did get an aventador and if he changed his mind, good on him also. If it was all a lie, it still doesn't matter as that thread helped me and maybe others, it does not affect anyone else though.

thanks again for your help and linking me that thread, much appreciated. The information is great, you are clearly knowledgeable and experienced, thanks.

cgt2

7,133 posts

191 months

Monday 18th December 2023
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The best advice I can give is try to get a decent 20-30 mile drive in one. A quick test drive around the block will leave you thinking it's an unfriendly unwieldy monster and might turn you off.

An Aventador doesn't properly wake up for at least half an hour. A lot of fluids to warm up and the gearbox will feel very clunky from cold. When properly warm and on wide open roads nothing will beat the experience but you do need a very specific set of circumstances to appreciate it properly.

Having said all that my neighbour has one he uses daily in all weathers!

tigertiger12

Original Poster:

130 posts

42 months

Tuesday 19th December 2023
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cgt2 said:
The best advice I can give is try to get a decent 20-30 mile drive in one. A quick test drive around the block will leave you thinking it's an unfriendly unwieldy monster and might turn you off.

An Aventador doesn't properly wake up for at least half an hour. A lot of fluids to warm up and the gearbox will feel very clunky from cold. When properly warm and on wide open roads nothing will beat the experience but you do need a very specific set of circumstances to appreciate it properly.

Having said all that my neighbour has one he uses daily in all weathers!
Indeed you are right, however I don't think it is so easy to get a 30 mile drive in one. Unless I hire one for a day. Dealers don't want to take such a risk, would a lambo dealer allow this? I was willing to buy one and then drive it. I get the clunky gearbox and warming the car up before driving which is fine as I do this with all my cars without fail to the extent I know I waste a fair amount of fuel just warming cars up. It is now a habit as I have done this for over 15 years now so do it without thinking. Even the Mrs does it.

I will try to think about more ways I could possibly get a 30 mile drive but I can't see many being willing! You are right but i'm not sure if I could arrange this and I know I could hire one but don't want to waste the money. I know how it sounds but I would be surprised if I was disappointed driving the aventador.

How do you maintain yours in winter? Any recommendations? I have a few noco battery maintainers. How often should I start it and for how long should I leave it running? Without taking it for a drive, just to run the engine in? What else would be good practice? I know these cars can fall asleep and the dash becomes a christmas tree if not properly cared for. How long is the longest you would recommend not driving it for? I would think I should drive it somewhat every how many weeks ??? for how long ??? so the gearbox doesn't fall asleep also. Do i need to drive say 5 miles every 2 weeks or what is your recommendation? My numbers are just examples guesses from thin air.

I know with Porsches I can warm them up for 20 mins and drive them just a few hundred yards every 2 weeks or even once a month and they are fine for winter if not driven so much and I can get away doing this for a few months if need be. I know the aventador is much different.

RagingBulls

2,714 posts

210 months

Tuesday 19th December 2023
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I have owned 2 Aventador S's. The first one I kept for 2 years and did 18k miles in all over the EU. Never missed a beat but it was a very slow spec car with hardly any options ticked! The second one is the highest spec AVS i the country with every carbon option ticked by the first owner. It's a completely different ownership experience having a mega spec car to a poverty spec car so I would go with the highest spec car you can find even if that means paying a premium.

I wouldn't worry about the year too much. Both the car I had and the one I now own are 2017 cars. First one was sold with 22k miles on the clock but took ages for the dealer to shift - it stayed on there forecourt for over 10 months! The second one I bought with 3k miles and have done another 5k since I owed it (12 months now).

Stick to a main dealer car or find one that still has warranty left. You will get 12 months warranty without any hassle and this is easily extendable for circa £4k for a another 12 months. I wouldnt own one without a warranty!

Exhausts invalidate the warranty. I have been very tempted to get a Gintani but the thought of a £20k engine out warranty claim keeps me away from going down that route!

So in short

1) Buy the highest spec car you can find even if you pay more its worth it!
2) Buy a car with warranty
3) Any aftermarket mods will invalidate your warranty
4) Find a low mileage example as it will be hard to shift the high miler later
5) get one asap its fking epic!

tigertiger12

Original Poster:

130 posts

42 months

Tuesday 19th December 2023
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RagingBulls said:
So in short

1) Buy the highest spec car you can find even if you pay more its worth it!
2) Buy a car with warranty
3) Any aftermarket mods will invalidate your warranty
4) Find a low mileage example as it will be hard to shift the high miler later
5) get one asap its fking epic!
Thanks RagingBulls, great info. Will defo get one with a warranty and a good spec car, high spec cars are a bargain second hand, much cheaper than the new price and easier to sell on, i'm a sucker for carbon fibre also!

tigertiger12

Original Poster:

130 posts

42 months

Saturday 23rd December 2023
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Regarding launch control how can i tell how many times the car has been 'launched'?
If purchased from a Lambo dealer I will ask and find out if there is a report I have access to.
Worried about the strain this puts on the transmission and what would be considered excessive launching. I know this should not be in double digits and I have no intention of using this at all ever.

I guess i'll end up buying an ODB type device for the vehicle and this may report the number of launches, so I can use this for resale to show I have not used launch control. Does this car use an OBD type device? If so, where is the port located?

Do all Aventador S models come with cruise control? I use this a lot as it helps me to keep to a reasonable speed. If it's an option it would be a must for me.

Thanks in advance.

RagingBulls

2,714 posts

210 months

Saturday 23rd December 2023
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tigertiger12 said:
Regarding launch control how can i tell how many times the car has been 'launched'?
If purchased from a Lambo dealer I will ask and find out if there is a report I have access to.
Worried about the strain this puts on the transmission and what would be considered excessive launching. I know this should not be in double digits and I have no intention of using this at all ever.

I guess i'll end up buying an ODB type device for the vehicle and this may report the number of launches, so I can use this for resale to show I have not used launch control. Does this car use an OBD type device? If so, where is the port located?

Do all Aventador S models come with cruise control? I use this a lot as it helps me to keep to a reasonable speed. If it's an option it would be a must for me.

Thanks in advance.
A main dealer can give you a read out of launches and a clutch reading - I recommend you ask for this. I had both on mine given to me by my dealer. Gives you a good indication - a car with multiple launches was probably an ex-rental car! No OBS reader works on this car as far as I know. Aventadors dont have cruise control. Well both of mine havent.



TP321

1,483 posts

201 months

Saturday 23rd December 2023
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andrew said:
mine had 37k at six years, and i don't recall doing either !
did you won it from new and put 37k miles over 6 years? Nothing wrong with that, but it would be a struggle to sell on, even at a much reduced price.

TP321

1,483 posts

201 months

Saturday 23rd December 2023
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tigertiger12 said:
I'm looking to buy an Aventador S Coupe, should I avoid the 1st MY 2017?. The 2019 MY seems good value. Currently there is a high mileage 2017 with 32k miles for £200 and a low mileage 2018 with 3500 miles for £235 and a 2019 with 7500 miles at £250. Then a 2020 with 6500 miles for £300 which is too much for me unless i set up a 'go fund me', but I may get told to 'go fund myself'!
Is there any likelihood of getting a discount at these prices? If so, what would be realistic?
£200 is really the ball park I am looking for but as it's 'the dream' and the 2019 will have more warranty time and seems good value, I will stretch. The cheapest on AT is £150 for a 2012 with 31k miles.

Will prices come down slightly when the replacement starts to be delivered? I could delay for another year but I really do not want to as I've already waited. I think there is some room for prices to come down when new 24 plate cars are delivered (obviously not 24 aventador's) So am keeping an eye on prices and MY's from now.

Just prior to covid I was looking for a Huracan, then shortly after covid started prices shot up. As a result I decided to wait as I found it hard to spend more than what I had seen they were selling for. Prices were like at least £20k up. It was a real shame I took my time as I may have been able to buy and drive one for 2 or 3 years and sell it for close to what I paid, or at least with less depreciation. I did not keep an eye on aventador pricing as it was out of my league at the time. In any case the wait has now pushed me towards being able to fund an Aventador, even if at the cheaper end of the scale. I really would like the experience even if only for 2 years. In any case I will work harder to try to keep it for as long as I can, but this also depends on any unforseen costs.

Are there any MY's I need to avoid? Not just for the 'S' but any variant?

What is the max length of time the Lambo warranty can be extended for? Seems to be 7 years? Or is it at 7 yrs old the last time you can extend the warranty?
If 7 years or whenever, what is the max extension?
Many seem to live without the warranty, I will decide as I get closer but am thinking it would be a better option for me.

Are there any other 3rd party warranty options that are decent. My only concern from what I have read would be transmission / gearbox coverage.

how much is a new gearbox / transmission?
Worst case how much is a rebuild?

When are the service intervals? Mainly want to know the minor and major intervals and rough costing?

I'm looking to buy for the summer but need the info about the extended warranty. I am likely only going to keep the car for 2 / 3 years for the experience, so thinking of buying one with a warranty and selling it with a warranty, even if it is the last year. Any further advice would be great.

Maybe better buying with a warranty if it's a private purchase and if from Amari, Romans or the other fellow or his son then thinking I should be ok?? Is this daft? If private can i get it inspected at Lambo? If so, how much?

Do they come with warranty and service packages from new? If so what are the details such as how long are these usually? 2 / 3 or 4 years? or more? Do lambo do service packages? Does this mean no cost servicing or are there costs involved? Or is it just Ferrari that do service packages? I was kinda thinking of getting a newer huracan like the EVO 4 that is under warranty and has plenty of life left in the warranty even after selling it, but those doors and the top speed of the aventador is a huge problem for the 10 yr old inside me. I cant see me being able to get a Huracan then an Aventador after as costs on either will be high. If it is possible I may be able to go from the aventador to a huracan to decrease costs and if I cannot sustain the aventador. The other more viable option is to go from the aventador to a 911 turbo s which is much more affordable and I could keep it for longer.

Do novitec and capristo invalidate the warranty? Anything else I should look out for that invalidates the warranty? Not loooking for anything that's been modded.

I may need a roof box, really not sure but would be handy for a few days / weekends away. Any recommendations that will fit such as which Thule? Or any other that is cheaper than the lambo one? Doesn't need to be huge, are there any with wheels so i can wheel it to a hotel room? Laugh at me if you wish!

thank you in advance, any help is much appreciated. Sorry if this is long, just trying to give people and idea of my train of thought. The warranty and pricing questions are more for experienced U.K based owners (past and present) and would love to hear from others from all over the globe for the other queries. I know my USA brothers and sisters have a vast amount of experience of these cars.
Why coupe and not roadster? for the roof box?

tigertiger12

Original Poster:

130 posts

42 months

Saturday 23rd December 2023
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RagingBulls said:
A main dealer can give you a read out of launches and a clutch reading - I recommend you ask for this. I had both on mine given to me by my dealer. Gives you a good indication - a car with multiple launches was probably an ex-rental car! No OBS reader works on this car as far as I know. Aventadors dont have cruise control. Well both of mine havent.
Perfect RagingBulls, I will be sure to obtain this report. Not surprised about the ODB port, I only noticed cruise control on a listing for a car at £234,995, 2018 with 9800 miles. I was also surprised as I'm sure not one cares about this, I know it is available on the huracan but not common and easy to see as the controls are part of the multifunction steering wheel so you can see 'blank' buttons or 'pictured' buttons. It does help me refrain from dodgy right foot syndrome, but neither here nor there in the grand scheme of the vehicle. I was surprised when i read it so it is likely a mistake.

Can you let me know more about what I need to check for the clutch reading? Or where I can find more information about this? Also, what parameters are good / acceptable and what is bad or unacceptable?

Thank you very much for your info. I will look into this more.