1st Lambo - UK Purchase - Need all experienced owners help

1st Lambo - UK Purchase - Need all experienced owners help

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TP321

1,483 posts

201 months

Saturday 30th December 2023
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I just love it when we all come together like this to fight off imposters …that’s the true spirit of community here at Pistonheads which makes it so special clapclap

Happy New Year guys….and you too Tigertiger..get ready for school.

AinsleyB

250 posts

84 months

Saturday 30th December 2023
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Careful, him mum might complain smile

lambo666

454 posts

121 months

Saturday 30th December 2023
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Shame, all this nonsense puts off real owners contributing to these forums.
Many have left, the response below is the best one from another forum if anyone is seriously considering any aventador.



"A lot of these questions I think can be answered if you go directly to an official Lamborghini Dealer in the UK, like HR Owen. If in doubt just reach out to them, I deal directly with London and Hatfield and they are absolutely superb, happy to recommend a name as well if you like. All the other big names are also pretty experienced and equipped with knowledge, Top555, Romans, European Prestige, VVS."

My only advice would be make sure you have an official warranty, so the gearbox is covered, as I have been through 3 gearboxes across 2 different cars in a total of 22,000 miles (17 year 'S' and a 19 year 'S' roadster).
And no, cruise control was never an option in any aventador model.

RagingBulls

2,714 posts

210 months

Saturday 30th December 2023
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tigertiger12 said:
RagingBulls said:
If you really want one now is the time to buy, Come March prices will be back in the £250k starting point. The Aventador S also blows all the other cars you have mentioned out of the water - there is no comparison at all. I suggest you go and drive them all and you'll see what I mean. The AVS is an "experience" and even just looking at it parked in the drive or garage arouses emotions not found in any other car IMHO. The single clutch experience just adds to the value of owning a real piece of Italian history with proper character. A car which you control and not a computer!

Also don't rule out cars with Alcantara. My first one was leather and my current one has the quilted colour stitched alcantara - the alcantara makes the car feel extremely special over one that has leather IMHO! They last extremely well, the alcantara game has moved on a lot and not like the older cars where they wear down like towels do!

Edited by RagingBulls on Thursday 28th December 18:32
Why would prices go back up in March? Prices are going down, not much on these cars but there is some more room for adjustment. I get that winter will be over and summer on the way but still don't see prices going up. I'm happy to take that risk and see, in the meantime the interest will also help balance out any price increase.
I'm happy to take my time and see more cars become available. I'm happy to compromise on some items but not on things such as the wheels and leather steering wheel.
If something really nice comes available in the meantime I will go for it, but the one I really like is not sold by a main dealer and does not have the wheels I like. In any case I would not want an alcantara steering wheel but may compromise on the seats. Though someone mentioned it is actually suede which is interesting, still I prefer leather. I will do this in my own time, thanks. I also need to change the doors on my garage in order to get it in! Isn't a big job, and should be able to get this done by the end of Feb.
Because the supercar market is fked every December! Some people dont want to store the car and pay 6 months of repayments so many cars hit the market in the winter and prices drop. As summer kicks in stocks evaporate fast and prices creep back up - happens every year. Anyway Ive given you the advice I had to as an owner of an LP740-4 so will leave you to it. Look forward to the custard photos soon ;-)

Tyrell Corp

256 posts

23 months

Saturday 30th December 2023
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Although OP's ranting sounds rather irrational in his plans and over-argumentative when challenged on them, there are just a few quirky individuals around lacking business skills but with seriously deep pockets.

Some serious buyers can be apparently irrational; over on the Rolex thread here a link to a youtube video. One explanation for the surge being a lot of wealthy cryto nerds not knowing much about watches but looking to transfer stacks of digital wealth into non cash assets; maybe hence the 'batman' 'hulk' sprite' etc almost childlike brand awareness even among serious repeat buyers.

Also many owners might concur, unless for business, buying a new Lambo is a totally irrational purchase on most commonsense metrics, unless genuine multi-millionaires wealth imo.


I've had a few trolls following me around on motorcycle forums, ironically their inept trolling often provoked some quite interesting threads and their wasted time not a problem.






cgt2

7,133 posts

191 months

Saturday 30th December 2023
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Tyrell Corp said:


Some serious buyers can be apparently irrational; over on the Rolex thread here a link to a youtube video. One explanation for the surge being a lot of wealthy cryto nerds not knowing much about watches but looking to transfer stacks of digital wealth into non cash assets; maybe hence the 'batman' 'hulk' sprite' etc almost childlike brand awareness even among serious repeat buyers.





O/T

I had an 18ct GMT Master 30 years ago which was known as the nipple dial because the hour markers looked like the aforementioned. Even though Rolexes have always had some kind of nickname attached to models some of the modern nomenclature is a bit strange but is the continuation of a long tradition.

garystoybox

793 posts

120 months

Saturday 30th December 2023
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cgt2 said:
O/T

I had an 18ct GMT Master 30 years ago which was known as the nipple dial because the hour markers looked like the aforementioned. Even though Rolexes have always had some kind of nickname attached to models some of the modern nomenclature is a bit strange but is the continuation of a long tradition.
What’s my wife going to think if she checks my search history this evening ‘Rolex gold pointy nipples’!
Learnt something new off this forum this evening……. What a great place it is……

Tyrell Corp

256 posts

23 months

Saturday 30th December 2023
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Snap! and I had a 'moonwatch' too... Just 'new money' one of many possible explanations for the recent price rises and scarce availability in certain luxury big ticket brands.

My point being, aspirational brands are normally sold by experts occaionally to nerds, lottery winners or crypto spivs and buying a new lambo exotic could actually appeal to a genuine buyer who seriously does have more money than sense.

I came close to buying an exotic once, a v8 Esprit. Tried the building relationship with dealer thing over a few months whilst unsold but when I was ready to pull the trigger he was sweaty about a test drive so I walked away.






Wills2

23,530 posts

178 months

Saturday 30th December 2023
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garystoybox said:
cgt2 said:
O/T

I had an 18ct GMT Master 30 years ago which was known as the nipple dial because the hour markers looked like the aforementioned. Even though Rolexes have always had some kind of nickname attached to models some of the modern nomenclature is a bit strange but is the continuation of a long tradition.
What’s my wife going to think if she checks my search history this evening ‘Rolex gold pointy nipples’!
Learnt something new off this forum this evening……. What a great place it is……
There is a GMT Master called the Fat Lady as well.



cgt2

7,133 posts

191 months

Saturday 30th December 2023
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Wills2 said:
There is a GMT Master called the Fat Lady as well.

Indeed. And a Bart Simpson because the Rolex crown on certain gilt dial Submariners resembled his hair.

tigertiger12

Original Poster:

130 posts

42 months

Tuesday 2nd January
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lambo666 said:
Shame, all this nonsense puts off real owners contributing to these forums.
Many have left, the response below is the best one from another forum if anyone is seriously considering any aventador.



"A lot of these questions I think can be answered if you go directly to an official Lamborghini Dealer in the UK, like HR Owen. If in doubt just reach out to them, I deal directly with London and Hatfield and they are absolutely superb, happy to recommend a name as well if you like. All the other big names are also pretty experienced and equipped with knowledge, Top555, Romans, European Prestige, VVS."

My only advice would be make sure you have an official warranty, so the gearbox is covered, as I have been through 3 gearboxes across 2 different cars in a total of 22,000 miles (17 year 'S' and a 19 year 'S' roadster).
And no, cruise control was never an option in any aventador model.
Thanks for the info, indeed I will be going to a dealer but wanted some info beforehand, which is what these forums are for and part of some research I am doing before I buy the car. I agree that this does put real owners off which is a shame.

tigertiger12

Original Poster:

130 posts

42 months

Tuesday 2nd January
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Most responses have been negative from the very start. The roof box caused some and others just jump in to try to claim I have no interest in buying. Well you are all wrong. You know what you are doing, who would go through this, buy the car then post pics? Which is why you do this.

Most of the insults are so narrow minded it only reflects on you. There is no proof at all I have no interest in buying the car and literally everything you have said about me is just assumption and all wrong. Clearly i'm older than you think, don't know my parents and haven't for well over 30 years. Most of you dont even have an aventador which are the people who should really be commenting. If you dont own or have not owned an aventador what you say is not as relevant as someone who does as it is speculation. The assumptions about my employment are wrong also. Basically you haven't got anything right. It says a lot that you gang up together on the same tip. You got jealousy bad. How you come up with these insults and assumptions amazes me, but sadly most people are thick otherwise everyone would be rich. It is typical to jump in like this to put other decent people who want to answer off from replying. Then ruin the thread purposefully as it puts others off. You also take one line repsonses from me and run with it. It's pointless repsonding when you pick at anything I say but your wrong and just nasty people anyway. I am so glad not to be you. From your repsonses I can't believe you own the cars you say you do. But hey keep up the insults, as if it makes you seem like such a good person, this is what you believe and only you.

It is clear you wait for such a post, only to try to claim the person is not really a buyer. It is clear now that even of the people that answered were really trying to get to this. It's sad. I realise that many of you are liars. I don't need to prove anything to a bunch of idiots. Batman had the same experience. You act like you know so much and don't even answer questions straight.

I will buy the car when I am ready and find the right one for me. The cars may be cheaper during winter but there are less available and none that really grab me. It makes sense that more will be available after winter and I am more likely to find one with the spec I like.

tigertiger12

Original Poster:

130 posts

42 months

Tuesday 2nd January
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TP321 said:
Absolutely no way is this person buying an Aventador. My guess is that he/she is not old enough to have a driving license….
Wrong, again. You want to be massaged for info, think you know it all because you claim to own an aventador but cant even afford to replace the clutch. Can't read and don't understand anything at all. You must be the poorest aventador owner in the world. The way you maintain your car no one would want to buy it if they knew the truth. Your only contribution was nonsense about a roadster and a roofbox, it was clear from this that you have no idea what you are talking about. The jealousy is so strong everything you do and say is wrong. If you don't have the money to get it fixed from a reputable place and not at the cheapest price then you shouldn't own one.

Tyrell Corp

256 posts

23 months

Tuesday 2nd January
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OP you are sounding like a spoiled kid now, name-calling and labeling us all as idiots and liars. Why you aren't being taken seriously here,

Don't you think uk exotic car dealers browse these threads here occasionally also ? Supercar owners often like their privacy and discretion is often key here; there may even be just the spec you want available but not openly advertised.

Serious question, but would you really be comfortable driving that head-turner super exotic around? cue loads of gawpers taking pics for their instagrams and loads of rude questions about money and what you do for a living etc...

( Never owned so just speculation)









tigertiger12

Original Poster:

130 posts

42 months

Wednesday 3rd January
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Tyrell Corp said:
OP you are sounding like a spoiled kid now, name-calling and labeling us all as idiots and liars. Why you aren't being taken seriously here,

Don't you think uk exotic car dealers browse these threads here occasionally also ? Supercar owners often like their privacy and discretion is often key here; there may even be just the spec you want available but not openly advertised.

Serious question, but would you really be comfortable driving that head-turner super exotic around? cue loads of gawpers taking pics for their instagrams and loads of rude questions about money and what you do for a living etc...

( Never owned so just speculation)


and everyone else sounds 'normal' Yes, my mistake.
the rest including you clearly cant afford an aventador becuase you are just thick.
even if i did post pics you would never believe me.

just look at what you have written, as if any of it sounds like you are not jealous and child grade insults.
get a life. Looks who's been calling who names first. I tried not to but you will not listen to anything else.
it makes no difference now.
You are so daft you expect me to answer your questions? say i'm insulting as if none of you haven't. of course.
it took a fair amount of intelligence to get to where I am, especially from the life I had. That's why I was nice.
It makes no difference what I say, you twist and turn it around. it's sad.
From the very start most of you just wanted to say i'm a liar.

If you had a brain you would have asked those questions before the insults, I would have actually answered them.
But no, you demand I buy the car you like and right now, it's ridiculous. I stated roughly when I would buy the car in my first post.
One of the first people to reply went on about me buying a coupe becuase it can fit a roofbox instead of buying a roadster when i stated
coupe in the first line of my post. a few of you did similar.
You are the ones living a fantasy.
I will be buying the car when I am ready... and when I find the right one for me.

you realise you are proving that most people are thick which is why they are poor. You are claiming that people dont advertise cars they want to sell so they can wait for someone to post on a forum so they can offer the car. this really made me laugh. slow down and read what you are typing. So what you are saying is TP321 is famous or rich but wants to save on a clutch becuase he is frugal with his aventador. or is it becuase of how he maintains his aventador, if he even has one which I no longer believe? If any buyer knew how he maintained his aventador they would not buy it, especially reading his posts. It is interesting how you actually believe that what I have said is wrong but no one else. I have only told you the truth.
I am not the first person you have done this to and I am sure I wont be the last.
it is you guys that ruin the forum not just this thread.
you have all chucked your toys out of your pram, kicking and screaming, there is none that are so blind...




tigertiger12

Original Poster:

130 posts

42 months

Wednesday 3rd January
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RagingBulls said:
tigertiger12 said:
RagingBulls said:
If you really want one now is the time to buy, Come March prices will be back in the £250k starting point. The Aventador S also blows all the other cars you have mentioned out of the water - there is no comparison at all. I suggest you go and drive them all and you'll see what I mean. The AVS is an "experience" and even just looking at it parked in the drive or garage arouses emotions not found in any other car IMHO. The single clutch experience just adds to the value of owning a real piece of Italian history with proper character. A car which you control and not a computer!

Also don't rule out cars with Alcantara. My first one was leather and my current one has the quilted colour stitched alcantara - the alcantara makes the car feel extremely special over one that has leather IMHO! They last extremely well, the alcantara game has moved on a lot and not like the older cars where they wear down like towels do!

Edited by RagingBulls on Thursday 28th December 18:32
Why would prices go back up in March? Prices are going down, not much on these cars but there is some more room for adjustment. I get that winter will be over and summer on the way but still don't see prices going up. I'm happy to take that risk and see, in the meantime the interest will also help balance out any price increase.
I'm happy to take my time and see more cars become available. I'm happy to compromise on some items but not on things such as the wheels and leather steering wheel.
If something really nice comes available in the meantime I will go for it, but the one I really like is not sold by a main dealer and does not have the wheels I like. In any case I would not want an alcantara steering wheel but may compromise on the seats. Though someone mentioned it is actually suede which is interesting, still I prefer leather. I will do this in my own time, thanks. I also need to change the doors on my garage in order to get it in! Isn't a big job, and should be able to get this done by the end of Feb.
Because the supercar market is fked every December! Some people dont want to store the car and pay 6 months of repayments so many cars hit the market in the winter and prices drop. As summer kicks in stocks evaporate fast and prices creep back up - happens every year. Anyway Ive given you the advice I had to as an owner of an LP740-4 so will leave you to it. Look forward to the custard photos soon ;-)
Thanks for the clarification, but is not 100% accurate, like people buy cars just for summer and on finance? or want to sell it for less in winter.
I am sure there is the odd person that does this but I am not buying on finance which should be obvious, so this would not apply to me. It also means there would be less cars so less choice for me.
I bought 1 supercar on finance paid it in 5 years (no balloon), kept it for 10 and just saved, then bought a BMW for the mrs paid 2 grand and yes it was her choice, now I dont buy cars on finance. it's actually very easy and if you pay fianace then you can afford to do it but you cant afford to wait.

People who claim fianace is better simply cannot afford to buy the car outright, it actually makes no sense, to get more than £250 finance on a car is not easy, you need to have assets or provide a personal guarantee so is possible. It only really makes sense if you have more than 20 times the value of the car in the bank earning interest that covers your repayment. most people are not in this position and no one likes to admit they cannot afford a car that they drive. Balloon finance was created to prevent people from paying for the car in full, most dont have the lump sum at the end so they offer you much less for your car claiming they need to change a bunch of parts, but can get you in a new car, and those people dont have much choice at all as far as they are concerned. They will even give you more of a discount than I could get paying for the car outright because they make so much from the finance.

I am also not worried about the price difference from summer to winter as I don't think it is that great and as you say happens every year, the situation since covid has been different and cars have dropped last year already. I would rather pay more for the car in the spec I want. The 'S' is available from £200 but I would prefer a newer model with as long a warranty as I can get. in fact everything I have said makes perfect sense yet most don't want to believe. it's brilliant. This thread is a keeper. It's a clear reminder of the jealousy I will experience, but i get it anyway and dont even have a lambo.

When many of you respond you do not think it through fully. At the same time there are more cars available after winter so it would be easier for me to find one that suits me colour, wheels, spec etc. It is exactly the same as insulting someone from the start, instead of just answering what you can and asking to post pics when the car comes and leave it at that. I would have posted pics and even with the roofbox which for me is important, that frunk is tiny even for a weekend away.

You are well aware that no one that is insulted would post pics of their car when they buy it. This is certainly not the first time you have done this.

lambo666

454 posts

121 months

Wednesday 3rd January
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Just to note if you are a genuine buyer, can you..

1) Fit in one? not much room inside if you are either 5'11 plus, or with a large frame if shorter..
2) Get insurance? - you may find it hard unless you have a c.c.t.v equipped garage, and live outside the London M25 area.
3) Had previous experience insuring a high value performance car with no claims (nearly all brokers will want proof of this)


tigertiger12

Original Poster:

130 posts

42 months

Wednesday 3rd January
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lambo666 said:
Just to note if you are a genuine buyer, can you..

1) Fit in one? not much room inside if you are either 5'11 plus, or with a large frame if shorter..
2) Get insurance? - you may find it hard unless you have a c.c.t.v equipped garage, and live outside the London M25 area.
3) Had previous experience insuring a high value performance car with no claims (nearly all brokers will want proof of this)
1. yes easy. size is no problem, this is also why I can keep leather seats in good condition.
2. yes, got a quote and was pleasantly surprised as I thought it would be more. yes have an extensive cctv system. auto PTZ, dont live in london. thought it would be almost double the quote, but would have paid that anyway. Though dont see the big deal living in London, see many aventadors in london, I often travel there. I will also get a dashcam because people are crazy and lie.
3. yes, have driven supercars for over 20 years. Have a lot of no claims which I will transfer to this car and re-insure the car that is used on. I have a few cars, nothing crazy but all paid for and none cheap.

no offence but I am sure this will be taken wrong in any case, it would have been better to ask this before the insults, not just you, i mean anyone. I used a £300k 2020 car as an example and did not provide the registration number. Just to see what I would expect.
Also I change insurance company every year and last few years have specifically not been asked for proof, maybe there system has this. I recently insured a car and got an email saying no claims was verified and proof was not required so think their system has this info. I always get protected no claims.

Tyrell Corp

256 posts

23 months

Wednesday 3rd January
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TT12 I can't be bothered to quote any more of your garbage, but I assure you that rare vehicles often do change hands not openly advertised, privacy for the vendor also allows the buyer(s) to keep the price paid confidential.

Do you seriously think that every super exotic sold by a dealer gets automatically listed on the open market first, complete with a price on the windscreen ?

Property at the top end of the market often gets sold unadvertised, the super rich don't want a 'for sale' board on their house and all the pics on rightmove, but if you have genuine 30 million plus to drop then you can find out what is for sale.

From my own limited experience here, buying a supercar isn't always easy, even when you have the cash waiting.

Even if you are serious here I don't think you'll be taken seriously.














Planetstank

91 posts

58 months

Wednesday 3rd January
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Bit confused
Has anyone bought an aventador? Where did the jealousy come from?

Are the gearboxes that unreliable?