Lamborghinis used as Covid-19 shopping trolleys

Lamborghinis used as Covid-19 shopping trolleys

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yzr500

56 posts

58 months

Wednesday 3rd June
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Classic memory years ago I had a nice 308gts which one day developed a fuel leak on the rubber connector between the fuel tanks unknown to be me when driving up a hill on the High Street I run out of fuel outside a undertakers which were loading up a coffin in the hearse ,due to being stuck along side the hearse the undertakers gave me a push to the side of the kerb behind me was a long line of cars and at the front was a builders transit van the builders joined in pushing my car to a kerb parking space and even gave me a lift to the Esso petrol station and back helping me also to start the car !!! don't think you would get the same help from a van of builders today with the latest cars ?

P5BNij

5,499 posts

61 months

Wednesday 3rd June
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rat rod said:
P5BNij said:
Don't get me wrong - I'd love the experience of buying and owning a new Huracan, everytime I drive past the Lambo dealer next to Fort Dunlop in Brum I always have a sly shuftie in the window at the tempting lime green wedges, but show me a Bora, a Mangusta, a Urraco, a Jarama or an Espada and I go a bit wobbly at the knees. Ian Tyrrell up in Cheshire has a beautiful RHD SIII Espada for sale which he's had for a while, I keep checkign to see if it's still there despite not being bale to afford it. There are several Maserati Indys for sale at the moment, some people think it's a little plain but it still gets the juices flowing for me, it's such a handsome looking car from every angle, but one or two of the period road test reviews described its underpinnings as out of date when it was new. I'd still love to drive one though.

It's just me and the missus, no kids, no mortgage.... need to do something before I get much older though.

I've just ordered another Maserati book from Amazon.... hehe


Edited by P5BNij on Tuesday 2nd June 11:56
Sounds like you are in a better position than most ,no mortgage,no kids ,you could have a stable of super cars and change compared to raising kids, you don't even need 2+2 seating, You got more passion in your little finger than some actual owners have in their hole body, You deserve to treat yourself and would wonder why i didn't do this sooner , New lifestyle ,new friends with the same interest ,hopefully car shows to go to and show your pride and joy, Most owners of the classic cars are true enthusiasts,they have to be to put up with some of the pitfalls of ownership of the older cars, also the modern super cars are so well engineered and so fast ,I for one would also love a Huracan Performante, in Verde Mantis,best colour if a little overdone now,no super car needs to be any bigger or faster in my opinion. one of each would be perfect ,The modern super car owners seem to fall into two categories ,the genuine car guys or those who wear their Ferrari, Lamborghini or whatever like they wear their Rolex and designer Italian shoes,To be seen in doing several laps around Harrods, they may think they would want a classic because they would look cool but in reality they couldn't put up with their quirks and the way they drive,infact they probably couldn't even drive them and with no power steering,no traction control,no a.b.s would go off on the first serious bend,might even get their Italian shoes dusty walking across the field they just crashed in.
Certainly in a better position than some which I'm very grateful for, but looking back over the last fifteen years or so working out how much I've spent on various British classics I'm pretty sure I could have (and perhaps should have!) bought a decent Italian exotic by now (we've also spent a fair old chunk on house improvements in recent years too). My problem has always been that I always seem to want something else as so many great classics on 'the list' that I want to try. I'm now on my fifteen Mini having bought another one just before the lockdown kicked in, my long term '68 Cooper S is staying put but I might move the newer one on once I've finished tinkering with it. I'm not even sure why I bought it in the first place but there you go..! It's a far cry from the exotica we're talking about in here but the money I get for it (if I can shift it in the current climate) will go straight into the pot for something 'special'.





rat rod

278 posts

20 months

Wednesday 3rd June
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yzr500 said:
Classic memory years ago I had a nice 308gts which one day developed a fuel leak on the rubber connector between the fuel tanks unknown to be me when driving up a hill on the High Street I run out of fuel outside a undertakers which were loading up a coffin in the hearse ,due to being stuck along side the hearse the undertakers gave me a push to the side of the kerb behind me was a long line of cars and at the front was a builders transit van the builders joined in pushing my car to a kerb parking space and even gave me a lift to the Esso petrol station and back helping me also to start the car !!! don't think you would get the same help from a van of builders today with the latest cars ?
They would love the fact that this flash guy isn't so flash anymore and would gloat on your misfortune,at least most of them would but there's always the exception to the rule, Most people don't get to see classic cars very often unless they go to the shows so are usually kind and inquisitive which i think is lovely,You are always a target when filling up with petrol which is fine as long as your not in a hurry as it can take a while ,even requests like can my girlfriend sit in your car for a photo.A favorite with the ladies is the glamorous 50's /60's chrome and fins yank tanks especially the convertibles, probably for the same reason they like dressing up in period at the Goodwood Rivival. but not everybodys cup of tea especially on a super car thread .Where you look approachable in a classic you look the complete opposite when in the 430 , They must think you are so much up yourself and wouldn't talk to them where as the Gallardo seems to get big smiles and thumbs up especially from kids,Even though it's the poor mans Lamborghini with the wrong doors people seem to love it,maybe it's because they think Lamborghini drivers don't take themselfs to seriously and Ferrari drivers do,Haven't a clue why it should be like that both cars are of similar age neither classic or the latest ,you must have noticed the same Jim, going from your Lamborghini's to your current Ferrari or is it just me.

Edited by rat rod on Wednesday 3rd June 16:22

rat rod

278 posts

20 months

Wednesday 3rd June
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P5BNij said:
Certainly in a better position than some which I'm very grateful for, but looking back over the last fifteen years or so working out how much I've spent on various British classics I'm pretty sure I could have (and perhaps should have!) bought a decent Italian exotic by now (we've also spent a fair old chunk on house improvements in recent years too). My problem has always been that I always seem to want something else as so many great classics on 'the list' that I want to try. I'm now on my fifteen Mini having bought another one just before the lockdown kicked in, my long term '68 Cooper S is staying put but I might move the newer one on once I've finished tinkering with it. I'm not even sure why I bought it in the first place but there you go..! It's a far cry from the exotica we're talking about in here but the money I get for it (if I can shift it in the current climate) will go straight into the pot for something 'special'.



As i have already said i have very eclectic taste and know what you mean,I sold my 1275 cc Cooper s around 6 years ago, standard car even down to the original steering wheel.Don't like selling any of my cars because there's always a reason why i bought them in the first place, in this case i had' a standard( apart from the factory sports seats )Cooper when i was 19, Should have kept it ,after all it didn't take to much room up but I've made a rule that as one arrives one must go but not sure how long that will last. Keep what your heart tells you to , Special cars are a long time gone so if you have the room try to keep them, maybe sell at a later date when you know you are happy with your new purchase, AIthough i have the collection of Italian,British,German and American cars i've always dreamed of i still got a long wish list so i think that is normal if you are a petrol head.I even thought about demolishing the house and build a Aircraft hanger and live in it with the cars,just like Dan Tanner( google it on You Tube). Don't you get any idea's you've spent to much time and money on your house . Look forward to hearing about your Italian purchase sounds like you deserve it after being so patient.

Edited by rat rod on Wednesday 3rd June 16:17

yzr500

56 posts

58 months

Wednesday 3rd June
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My view the older Lambo model owners as bad-guys ,Ferrari owners as flash harry's except my 360 in silver most mistake it as hairdresser's Porsche boxer .

rat rod

278 posts

20 months

Thursday 4th June
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yzr500 said:
My view the older Lambo model owners as bad-guys ,Ferrari owners as flash harry's except my 360 in silver most mistake it as hairdresser's Porsche boxer .
I don't like pigeonholing people and cars but would much rather go down the pub with the Lamborghini rather than the Ferrari boys, think you might have more fun ,who am i to talk i don't even drink. Did join the Lamborghini club some years ago as i was trying to restore a Espada at the time and thought it might help,we met at a pub ,nice guys with ,how can i say with a bit of a edge to them ,drinking beer and dressed casually mostly in jeans,trainers and t-shirts and made me feel welcome. Also joined the Ferrari club mainly for the track days but did go to one concours club day , Probably didn't help that i turned up in my a bit worse for wear GTB track car and parked it amongst the shiny ones ,A very posh club member come running over dressed in pink polo shirt and highly polished Italian shoes and condescendingly asked me to move it but didn't quite know were to put me. My Sainsbury's carrier bag and my flask of tea was well out numbered by Harrods Hampers and Champagne. Stick to the track events now where you meet a completely different Ferrari owner.

Fessia fancier

435 posts

138 months

Tuesday 9th June
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P5BNij said:
Didn't twig that it was the same car Andy, thanks..... it really was something special to see in the metal.... it was difficult to get any decent photos of it as it was wedged into the corner of the hall...







Edited by P5BNij on Thursday 28th May 14:52
I used to own Kermit for a while, sold it in about 2001 or 2002. It is super to see it in such nice condition and I really like the new colour. The owner before me was a professional car painter and wanted the Miura lime green but somehow got a slightly different hue.....

P5BNij

5,499 posts

61 months

Tuesday 9th June
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Fessia fancier said:
P5BNij said:
Didn't twig that it was the same car Andy, thanks..... it really was something special to see in the metal.... it was difficult to get any decent photos of it as it was wedged into the corner of the hall...







Edited by P5BNij on Thursday 28th May 14:52
I used to own Kermit for a while, sold it in about 2001 or 2002. It is super to see it in such nice condition and I really like the new colour. The owner before me was a professional car painter and wanted the Miura lime green but somehow got a slightly different hue.....
Nice to hear from a previous owner - how often did you use it and what was it like to drive....?



Fessia fancier

435 posts

138 months

Saturday 13th June
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Just seeing if we can post here now ...
it seems tricky if not on mobile phone....

Edited by Fessia fancier on Saturday 13th June 20:53

Well, it was quite a long time ago, but a few thoughts. First of all, the sound was fantastic as you might expect. V12, four cams, four exhausts, six twin choke carbs isn't easily bettered. I had an Espada for about five years a little before the Jarama (they never overlapped in my ownership) so had experienced the engine and transmission but it was still amazing.

It was quite a soberly styled car, and would easily slip under the radar but for the colour. I doubt many knew what it was. I used it a bit going to work and generally tooling around. I probably did 1-2,000 miles but I can't be sure. I seem to recall the mileage then was about 30k but I might be wrong. I think I had it for a year or possibly two. Even though it was 25+ years old, when I had it, it still felt quick although perhaps with hindsight some of that was the impression the noise gave.


Edited by Fessia fancier on Saturday 13th June 20:53

Fessia fancier

435 posts

138 months

Saturday 13th June
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It supposedly had 365 hp vs the 350 for the Espada and was a bit lighter but I am not sure I could tell the difference performance wise. Perhaps back to back would have been clearer, and also as I owned the Jarama later in time perhaps general standards had moved on. The mechanics always felt very solid and with both cars I'd regularly use 7,000 rpm odd through the gears, particularly for the "end of the world" sound rather than for the actual speed, if you see what I mean.

It also had an enormous sump capacity, worth remembering when doing an oil change (perhaps 14 litres?). It would take about ten miles to get properly warm and it had two fuel tanks for a reason.....

Fessia fancier

435 posts

138 months

Saturday 13th June
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It was in those times still relatively wide and heavy compared to "normal" cars, so I would say the natural habitat was sweeping A roads. It had pretty predictable handling, and was quite controllable. It did have very modest limits because the tyres on it were rock hard. I only realised this after a while when I noticed they wore not at all, and in the wet it was sideways at very low speeds. When I had the Espada I used to carry four quite regularly but in the Jarama not so often, they are much less roomy.

I remember I took it to the Italian Car Day at Brooklands, probably in 2001. They had a little "track" marked out in cones which I tried. Coming back through the Dartford tunnel was pretty noisy!

Fessia fancier

435 posts

138 months

Saturday 13th June
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In case the current owner is interested, the person I sold it to was in the LCUK (I think the newsletter editor). I saw the car some time before I bought it because the owner was a business partner of a friend and they owned a spray shop. The owner then said "I've got to get one before the petrol runs out". I think he did quite a lot of work and he certainly painted it. I was featured in C&SC when he had it.

Sadly he passed away before his time, and the car was then parked up at a relatives outside for a little while. I always liked the car, but didn't really think of it but a mutual friend suggested I buy it to stop it deteriorating, so I did. They were not expensive then. I think he bought it from a guy called Charlie Otter, who I remember reading was a hotelier who bought lots of cars in the late eighties for speculative reasons and then in the early nineties obviously the prices went down and eventually this car was sold.

Fessia fancier

435 posts

138 months

Saturday 13th June
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I can remember getting the call from the guy who bought it from me exactly as we heard about 9/11 so I sold it towards the back end of 2001. I sold it to help fund a house renovation and because I had "too many cars".

I saw it was for sale at Slades Garage perhaps 2-3 years ago and was a little tempted but didn't have space so didn't follow up. Probably fortunate as from the Facebook page it found a good home.

Kermit is a good name, a friend of mine christened it the Lambo- greeny.

(sorry for the multiple posts, it wouldn't let me post just once).

rat rod

278 posts

20 months

Sunday 14th June
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Fessia fancier said:
In case the current owner is interested, the person I sold it to was in the LCUK (I think the newsletter editor). I saw the car some time before I bought it because the owner was a business partner of a friend and they owned a spray shop. The owner then said "I've got to get one before the petrol runs out". I think he did quite a lot of work and he certainly painted it. I was featured in C&SC when he had it.

Sadly he passed away before his time, and the car was then parked up at a relatives outside for a little while. I always liked the car, but didn't really think of it but a mutual friend suggested I buy it to stop it deteriorating, so I did. They were not expensive then. I think he bought it from a guy called Charlie Otter, who I remember reading was a hotelier who bought lots of cars in the late eighties for speculative reasons and then in the early nineties obviously the prices went down and eventually this car was sold.
Can't remember exactly but it must have been around 14 years ago when i stored Kirmit for Anthony who was i believe was doing some work on it for the guy you must have sold it to,both being Lamborghini club members. very sad about the owner passing away. Anthony took me out in it , only a short distance so probably didn't even get it warm enough but compared to my Espada and the front engined Ferrari's i had it felt much lighter on it's feet and more responsive even from the passengers seat and the exhaust note.sounded more like a second world war fighter plane. being nosy what was the original colour ? Found this very interesting,thanks for posting.

Fessia fancier

435 posts

138 months

Sunday 14th June
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rat rod said:
Can't remember exactly but it must have been around 14 years ago when i stored Kirmit for Anthony who was i believe was doing some work on it for the guy you must have sold it to,both being Lamborghini club members. very sad about the owner passing away. Anthony took me out in it , only a short distance so probably didn't even get it warm enough but compared to my Espada and the front engined Ferrari's i had it felt much lighter on it's feet and more responsive even from the passengers seat and the exhaust note.sounded more like a second world war fighter plane. being nosy what was the original colour ? Found this very interesting,thanks for posting.
I quite like all these little links being pieced together. I recall the person who bought it off me came with a couple of his friends, one was Anthony (Anstead, I think, but not sure. I'm also not sure but probably not the Ant Anstead on one of the current car programmes). He, and Dave(?) were both club members.
I don't know what the original colour was, I am afraid, but I'm pretty sure it wasn't green because it didn't end up in the right Miura shade of green that Neil was looking for. That said, I never saw any other colour hidden anywhere but I think that Neil stripped off absolutely all the paint. He was doing it for himself, he was professional, and it was his dream car. As you know the under bonnet areas are black anyhow.

In terms of the performance you are probably right and my reference points were different. My Espada had quite a strong engine, it was rebuilt when the previous owner had it. The body was a bit tatty, though. At that time, I had not much experience of faster cars, my daily was a Lancia Beta HPE Volumex, which I enjoyed but it had 135 bhp (I was only 25 when I bought my Espada). I had a bit more experience when I bought the Jarama a couple of years after selling the Espada and I had a 328 GTS, which I still have, and an Integrale so the Jarama may well have been quicker than the Espada but my own expectations had changed a little.
Cool that you have an Espada. I'd be delighted to own one again, if I could ignore the price for a moment! When I had mine, it seemed like a space ship!

rat rod

278 posts

20 months

Monday 15th June
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Fessia fancier said:
rat rod said:
Can't remember exactly but it must have been around 14 years ago when i stored Kirmit for Anthony who was i believe was doing some work on it for the guy you must have sold it to,both being Lamborghini club members. very sad about the owner passing away. Anthony took me out in it , only a short distance so probably didn't even get it warm enough but compared to my Espada and the front engined Ferrari's i had it felt much lighter on it's feet and more responsive even from the passengers seat and the exhaust note.sounded more like a second world war fighter plane. being nosy what was the original colour ? Found this very interesting,thanks for posting.
I quite like all these little links being pieced together. I recall the person who bought it off me came with a couple of his friends, one was Anthony (Anstead, I think, but not sure. I'm also not sure but probably not the Ant Anstead on one of the current car programmes). He, and Dave(?) were both club members.
I don't know what the original colour was, I am afraid, but I'm pretty sure it wasn't green because it didn't end up in the right Miura shade of green that Neil was looking for. That said, I never saw any other colour hidden anywhere but I think that Neil stripped off absolutely all the paint. He was doing it for himself, he was professional, and it was his dream car. As you know the under bonnet areas are black anyhow.

In terms of the performance you are probably right and my reference points were different. My Espada had quite a strong engine, it was rebuilt when the previous owner had it. The body was a bit tatty, though. At that time, I had not much experience of faster cars, my daily was a Lancia Beta HPE Volumex, which I enjoyed but it had 135 bhp (I was only 25 when I bought my Espada). I had a bit more experience when I bought the Jarama a couple of years after selling the Espada and I had a 328 GTS, which I still have, and an Integrale so the Jarama may well have been quicker than the Espada but my own expectations had changed a little.
Cool that you have an Espada. I'd be delighted to own one again, if I could ignore the price for a moment! When I had mine, it seemed like a space ship!
I think the sat-nav had a malfunction when the stork delivered us in the uk,we were clearly meant to be Italian , A Lamborghini by 25,that's pretty good going,I was 28 and on my second wife when i bought my first Ferrari, , probably would have been sooner if it wasn't for that(second wife i mean). I no longer have the Espada , Tried to do a rolling restoration as i didn't want to take it off the road altogether,big mistake and bit off more than i could chew and gave up , sold it to Colin Clarke as a on going project, Probably like you i have had Lancia's, Alfa's Fiat's umpteenth Ferrari's, only 4 Lamborghini's and only 1 Maserati for some reason.Had numerous 308's and still have one ,a bit of a war horse GTB on carbs,always fancied the 328 as having had a injected 308 followed by a QV i was a little disappointed , thought the jump to a 328 might be what was needed ,maybe one on throttle bodies to reincarnate the sound of the carbs ,also gone slightly modern and have a F430 plus a manual Gallardo and not forgetting my cute Fiat 500 ( original one),just sold my Alfa 156 GTA which was my daily driver,great car but wish it was rear wheel drive,now saving up for a Giulia Quadrifoglio .Would love a Integrale's but missed the boat when values were low . I do have a few none Italian cars but none get under my skin like these do .



Edited by rat rod on Monday 15th June 02:37

P5BNij

5,499 posts

61 months

Monday 15th June
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Interesting stuff there from both of you - and thanks for your reply to my question FF wink

Honk

1,711 posts

158 months

Monday 15th June
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Ant Hawkes and David price. Both leading lights in LCUK back in the day. smile

rat rod

278 posts

20 months

Monday 15th June
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Honk said:
Ant Hawkes and David price. Both leading lights in LCUK back in the day. smile
Hawkes ,I did know it but like a lot of things i just couldn't remember , Haven't seen him for some time ,do you know if he still lives near Chichester. Thanks for jogging my memory .

Honk

1,711 posts

158 months

Monday 15th June
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rat rod said:
Honk said:
Ant Hawkes and David price. Both leading lights in LCUK back in the day. smile
Hawkes ,I did know it but like a lot of things i just couldn't remember , Haven't seen him for some time ,do you know if he still lives near Chichester. Thanks for jogging my memory .
Don't know sorry. He used to manage a holiday camp and had numerous interesting oldskool Lambos in shipping containers which he worked on for himself and others including David Price's Kermit.