Residuals, Man Maths and a 540C

Residuals, Man Maths and a 540C

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TBCReece

1,328 posts

73 months

Wednesday 23rd November
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At £6k a panel and even though you live north of the border, it'll be cheaper to take it to Thorney and get it resolved through them. Unfortunately though, you won't get the time back.

Such a shame this continues to happen and be a blight on the cars.

davek_964

7,937 posts

159 months

Wednesday 23rd November
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TBCReece said:
At £6k a panel and even though you live north of the border, it'll be cheaper to take it to Thorney and get it resolved through them. Unfortunately though, you won't get the time back.

Such a shame this continues to happen and be a blight on the cars.
I've seen several paint quotes from Thorney from other McLaren owners - for similar work to what mine needed - and they were more expensive than official paint shops. I don't really understand why, but their paint prices (for "matching" paint, not the official paint) don't seem competitive to me.

They are certainly cheaper than buying a new panel - but I'm not convinced they're cheaper than a similar repair from an official paint shop.

Davyt

70 posts

2 months

Wednesday 23rd November
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At what point/year did McLaren stop having paint issues with all models ? Or haven’t we reached that yet ??

AyBee

10,136 posts

186 months

Wednesday 23rd November
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If they're panel replacing and you're paying, do you get to keep the old one? Might be worth asking so you can recover some of your £1500 selling it to someone who's crashed one?

RSbandit

1,979 posts

116 months

Wednesday 23rd November
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davek_964 said:
I think quite a few people who are out of warranty go the repair rather than replace route. I was quoted £1,500 + vat to fix the problem on my two front wings and the inside of the bonnet by an official bodyshop (650 Spider).

I do have a similar view to Simon. My 650 was generally an excellent car and far better than the internet (or PH at least) would have you believe. And the g/f is quite insistent that I should buy another one.
But I'm hesitating. Partly because I'm quite liking the "don't care" attitude I have with my remaining cars - but even if I do decide to replace, I am very hesitant to buy another McLaren. I'm not too worried about the mechanicals - but I am pretty certain that if I buy one, I will have paint issues. And - if I get it resolved - in a few years, I will have paint issues again. If I "upgrade" to a 720 - I can probably throw cracking glass into the mix too.

I'm not sure I really want that hassle - even aside from the repeated cost.

Ironically - in every other way, the McLaren does eclipse other brands for me. Which kind of stops me buying anything at the moment.
I’m looking at a 720s or 600LT spider as the next car but I echo some of your sentiments here, not sure if I could stomach being in for a nice chunk more cash than my old 570s and still have to deal with niggly problems or bodywork issues and that’s assuming the car was under 5 yrs old and had those items covered under warranty. But when they are working well nothing compares at the price points …if only they could get on top of these issues.

Wheelspinning

450 posts

14 months

Wednesday 23rd November
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It seems hit or miss.

My 650 had 2 wings and a bonnet replaced, but my 675 has all original panels and paint with zero evidence of any reaction / corrosion so far.

Am43

205 posts

67 months

Wednesday 23rd November
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Sorry to hear that Justin, and certainly bad taste that mclaren U.K. won’t honour the warranty a month out ! When It was clearly there during the initial warranty period.

I have had both rear 1/4’s, front wings and both lower door appliqués replaced, luckily when it was under 5 years old.
Let’s hope the new panels don’t have the same issue !

Are you planning to hang onto the car ?

likesachange

2,505 posts

178 months

Wednesday 23rd November
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Sorry to hear this. After what overall seems to have been a very enthusiastic and enjoyable ownership.

What are they saying is the issue regarding the paint? as it doesn't seem to be consistent but yet is common?!

Some cars having corrosion happen even on the repairs I believe?!? So I presume its something to do with the metal panel being of poor quality and has some sort of trapped moisture?

justin220

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4,913 posts

188 months

Wednesday 23rd November
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likesachange said:
Sorry to hear this. After what overall seems to have been a very enthusiastic and enjoyable ownership.

What are they saying is the issue regarding the paint? as it doesn't seem to be consistent but yet is common?!

Some cars having corrosion happen even on the repairs I believe?!? So I presume its something to do with the metal panel being of poor quality and has some sort of trapped moisture?
Moisture during the prep stage I believe?

Don't get me wrong, I am still very enthusiastic about it. It's the best car I've owned. But the aftersales from McLaren HQ is pretty terrible given how common this issue is. They'll just scare away current owners, and potential ones!


Am43 said:
Sorry to hear that Justin, and certainly bad taste that mclaren U.K. won’t honour the warranty a month out ! When It was clearly there during the initial warranty period.

I have had both rear 1/4’s, front wings and both lower door appliqués replaced, luckily when it was under 5 years old.
Let’s hope the new panels don’t have the same issue !

Are you planning to hang onto the car ?
Yeah I'll be keeping it for now. Like I said it's almost brand new with all these panels replaced, and it would be ashame to move it on after spending all this money on it. I just won't be buying another.

AyBee said:
If they're panel replacing and you're paying, do you get to keep the old one? Might be worth asking so you can recover some of your £1500 selling it to someone who's crashed one?
That's actually an interesting point and not sure if that would have been an option. To be honest the logistics and hassle of storing it would probably outweigh the benefits of then selling it on. I'd imagine they'd just scrap the bubbling panels?

Davyt said:
At what point/year did McLaren stop having paint issues with all models ? Or haven’t we reached that yet ??
No idea.. was this an issue on the 12C / 650S? Doesn't seem to be as wide spread at least on the previous gens..

Streetbeat

433 posts

60 months

Wednesday 23rd November
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AyBee said:
If they're panel replacing and you're paying, do you get to keep the old one? Might be worth asking so you can recover some of your £1500 selling it to someone who's crashed one?
According to my local approved they are scrapped when i asked what happens with them, i guess why would Mclaren want someone selling panels as it would do them out of a sale of a new one.

DRZ

95 posts

136 months

Wednesday 23rd November
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Davyt said:
At what point/year did McLaren stop having paint issues with all models ? Or haven’t we reached that yet ??
My 2021 car had 3 panels replaced at 1 year old with 2400 miles covered.

Still a way to go for them to be fully resolved, sadly.

PinkHouse

21 posts

41 months

Wednesday 23rd November
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DRZ said:
My 2021 car had 3 panels replaced at 1 year old with 2400 miles covered.

Still a way to go for them to be fully resolved, sadly.
It's a shame as I'm a potential new owner and I'm certainly getting colder feet and think this confirma that I'll have to always factor the cost of an extended warranty into the purchase and ownership cost equation.

Not to derail the thread too much but what's your GT experience been like in terms of driving dynamics and feel? They've come down to a similar price range to an AMG GTR I'm considering and wanfed to know if they still give enough feedback and involvement to enjoy driving them

davek_964

7,937 posts

159 months

Wednesday 23rd November
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PinkHouse said:
DRZ said:
My 2021 car had 3 panels replaced at 1 year old with 2400 miles covered.

Still a way to go for them to be fully resolved, sadly.
It's a shame as I'm a potential new owner and I'm certainly getting colder feet and think this confirma that I'll have to always factor the cost of an extended warranty into the purchase and ownership cost equation.
An extended warranty will make zero difference to this. This is a bodywork issue which is nothing to do with - and not covered by - the extended (mechanical) warranty.
I happily ran my 650 for the last year with no warranty, and would have continued to do so.

justin220

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4,913 posts

188 months

Wednesday 23rd November
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PinkHouse said:
It's a shame as I'm a potential new owner and I'm certainly getting colder feet and think this confirma that I'll have to always factor the cost of an extended warranty into the purchase and ownership cost equation.

Not to derail the thread too much but what's your GT experience been like in terms of driving dynamics and feel? They've come down to a similar price range to an AMG GTR I'm considering and wanfed to know if they still give enough feedback and involvement to enjoy driving them
Unfortunately the extended warranty doesn't cover the paintwork

PinkHouse

21 posts

41 months

Wednesday 23rd November
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I reckon it would inspire much more buyer confidence McLaren offered a 10Y warranty for the panel defects like Porsche did with the 991.1 GT3 engine

Davyt

70 posts

2 months

Wednesday 23rd November
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PinkHouse said:
I reckon it would inspire much more buyer confidence McLaren offered a 10Y warranty for the panel defects like Porsche did with the 991.1 GT3 engine
You are very correct, Will they do it ? Highly unlikely I would imagine.

Gibbo205

3,035 posts

191 months

Wednesday 23rd November
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PinkHouse said:
I reckon it would inspire much more buyer confidence McLaren offered a 10Y warranty for the panel defects like Porsche did with the 991.1 GT3 engine
They do on supercar series, but sports series only get five years unfortunately.

davek_964

7,937 posts

159 months

Wednesday 23rd November
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Gibbo205 said:
PinkHouse said:
I reckon it would inspire much more buyer confidence McLaren offered a 10Y warranty for the panel defects like Porsche did with the 991.1 GT3 engine
They do on supercar series, but sports series only get five years unfortunately.
That's completely wrong. The warranty is identical on all models.

Paint is 5 years.

Body is 10 - but warranty states that this covers perforation.

McLaren treat paint bubbling as covered by paint warranty.

Edited by davek_964 on Wednesday 23 November 18:54

fridaypassion

6,774 posts

212 months

Wednesday 23rd November
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Its mad that they were never Abe to get the paint process right. y painter has a McLaren in currently for a full repaint he doest seem worried about painting it. He also had no idea why they couldn't do it. Its not like they are the first people to use Aluminium/Fiberglass in car production.

DRZ

95 posts

136 months

Wednesday 23rd November
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PinkHouse said:
Not to derail the thread too much but what's your GT experience been like in terms of driving dynamics and feel? They've come down to a similar price range to an AMG GTR I'm considering and wanfed to know if they still give enough feedback and involvement to enjoy driving them
McLaren have got the GT marketing all wrong which I think leads to questions like this. Having driven anything and everything you might even remotely see as a competitor, from DB11 to Huracan, including the 720S and most recently a short drive of the new Artura, the GT is a fantastic thing. Far better to drive than a DB11, way more luggage room than a Huracan (and way better steering) but definitely less engine drama than either. Have a read of my owners thread and, most importantly, go drive one. For me personally there is absolutely no way I'd swap mine for a GT R. McLaren are very accommodating when it comes to acquainting you with their cars so you'll be able to make your mind up first hand smile