650s CoupΓ©

650s CoupΓ©

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GT4RS

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1,791 posts

141 months

Wednesday 19th December 2018
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Dc5991 said:
I think its the same car, been for sale here for a while, looks amazing, if only !!!!

https://www.thecarfinders.co.uk/copy-of-vehicle-3
Do you know how long it’s roughly been up for sale for with these guys?

Thanks for the link

Edited by GT4RS on Wednesday 19th December 22:36

f1ten

1,825 posts

97 months

Wednesday 19th December 2018
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Good comments and I agree. Actual chance to drive quickly especially in S E England is rare without far too many risks to others etc which means tracks days are now a must to at least have a bit of legal fun

isaldiri said:
One could probably argue sports cars have been too fast for 99% of roads and probably 90% of the time as well for a good long time already as one is realistically limited by how much risk you're prepared to put others and yourself on the road rather than by the car as long as it's a reasonably modern sports car. I do think the issue is more an issue of perception of speed though. Yes the 720 is almost unbelieveably quick but a 675 isn't, all things considered, much slower than a 720 but the sensation of speed is far greater so you don't look down at the speedometer when you think you're pootling along and see well in excess of 3 figures. That's also something ime the 570 arguably does better than the 12c/650 did.

It's not just a question of 'is the car too fast for the road' but perhaps a matter of 'is it simply too effortlessly quick'....? actually having to put a bit of effort into driving quickly (especially that quickly) is something that matters as much and perhaps more than absolute performance for some people...

breadvan

1,369 posts

112 months

Wednesday 19th December 2018
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br d said:
interesting stuff
You bugger.

(runs off to the classifieds, looking at 570 Spyders).

jamieo

152 posts

156 months

Monday 24th December 2018
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GT4RS said:
Hi

Would anyone happen to know the owner of this 650s, I believe it may be on SOR and I have a question regarding the specification / original order.

https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...
A nice looking car. I bought a 650 coupe earlier in the year, had even less miles on it and like brand new. Paid more than this and was through McLaren dealer.

In general, I’ve loved having it. At first it felt insanely fast, but you get quite used to it. I wanted a spider, but having found such a mint coupe in the exact spec and colour (volcano red) I wanted, couldn’t pass it up. 570s didn’t quite do it for me, and 720s were significantly more expensive. I quite like having a coupe too, there are so few of them, as someone else said, probably under 50 in UK. Likely more 675LT coupes than 650s.

As for the black car, here’s my opinion. Red seats seem a bit of an acquired taste. I saw several cars seemingly sitting around with red interiors, particularly full red. This is only part red. All black interiors seem to be most common.

Unclear if it’s got McLaren warranty, a 2016 should probably just be running out so I assume not. That just affects price by 4-5k assuming you have check done at McLaren and all is ok with car.

It’s clearly been modified (MSO louvred wings), question is if it was like that from factory (MSO) or afterwards. And if afterwards then by who? Is it using McLaren parts or cheaper aftermarket? If McLaren, I’d say ok. If not, would affect price for some.

Personally I like the louvered wings, you mostly only see them on MSO special edition cars or 675s.

It has extended paddles too, a really nice and unusual option. Other than that, spec seems on the good side but nothing unusual. It doesn’t have carbon front splitter not rear bumper, so not a high carbon spec car.

I’m not a fan of black, but plenty others are. More common to see wheels finished in stealth colour, you can easily get them done by same paint shop McLaren use.

You’ll not see louvers or paddles on many cars.


GT4RS

Original Poster:

1,791 posts

141 months

Monday 24th December 2018
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jamieo said:
GT4RS said:
Hi

Would anyone happen to know the owner of this 650s, I believe it may be on SOR and I have a question regarding the specification / original order.

https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...
A nice looking car. I bought a 650 coupe earlier in the year, had even less miles on it and like brand new. Paid more than this and was through McLaren dealer.

In general, I’ve loved having it. At first it felt insanely fast, but you get quite used to it. I wanted a spider, but having found such a mint coupe in the exact spec and colour (volcano red) I wanted, couldn’t pass it up. 570s didn’t quite do it for me, and 720s were significantly more expensive. I quite like having a coupe too, there are so few of them, as someone else said, probably under 50 in UK. Likely more 675LT coupes than 650s.

As for the black car, here’s my opinion. Red seats seem a bit of an acquired taste. I saw several cars seemingly sitting around with red interiors, particularly full red. This is only part red. All black interiors seem to be most common.

Unclear if it’s got McLaren warranty, a 2016 should probably just be running out so I assume not. That just affects price by 4-5k assuming you have check done at McLaren and all is ok with car.

It’s clearly been modified (MSO louvred wings), question is if it was like that from factory (MSO) or afterwards. And if afterwards then by who? Is it using McLaren parts or cheaper aftermarket? If McLaren, I’d say ok. If not, would affect price for some.

Personally I like the louvered wings, you mostly only see them on MSO special edition cars or 675s.

It has extended paddles too, a really nice and unusual option. Other than that, spec seems on the good side but nothing unusual. It doesn’t have carbon front splitter not rear bumper, so not a high carbon spec car.

I’m not a fan of black, but plenty others are. More common to see wheels finished in stealth colour, you can easily get them done by same paint shop McLaren use.

You’ll not see louvers or paddles on many cars.
Hi Jamieo

Thank you for taking the time to reply.

I’ve asked to the dealer to confirm if the vents are factory fitted and if it’s out of warranty, they are yet to reply.

I personally would only be interested in this car if the dealer is willing to have it inspected by Mclaren and they would need to add at least a 12 month Mclaren warranty on it for the original price it was advertised for.

The only thing which I’m unsure of is the colour of the interior, but I guess until you view it in the flesh it’s hard to tell.

A curve ball popped since I spotted this one.

https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...

Spider for coupe money and a slightly more neutral interior?

Taffy66

2,614 posts

46 months

Monday 24th December 2018
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For similar money i'd always choose the 650 Spyder over the Coupe to get maximum benefit of the super stiff carbon shell.
In complete contrast when i was recently shopping for my 458 i never considered the Spyder as it compromised the structural integrity of the chassis..Am i a good enough of a driver to benefit from this....i very much doubt it, but the placebo effect goes a long way i suppose.!

Have a nice Xmas down in Cardiff..

GT4RS

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1,791 posts

141 months

Monday 24th December 2018
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Taffy66 said:
For similar money i'd always choose the 650 Spyder over the Coupe to get maximum benefit of the super stiff carbon shell.
In complete contrast when i was recently shopping for my 458 i never considered the Spyder as it compromised the structural integrity of the chassis..Am i a good enough of a driver to benefit from this....i very much doubt it, but the placebo effect goes a long way i suppose.!

Have a nice Xmas down in Cardiff..
Thanks taffy66

I’ve never really been a convertible person, the only one I’ve owned was a boxster some years ago. Im not sure I want to be on full view anymore.

Can’t help looking at these and thinking they now represent great value for money now they seem to have dropped a little. Could be a nice change from Porsche and something I can use back and fore to the office when needed listening to the reviews, apparently it’s pretty good in traffic and lift seems to be effective.

Listening to the reviews apparently it’s hard to tell the difference between the coupe and the cab.

Do you know if 650s suffers similar gearbox issues to the 12c?

How are you getting on with your new purchase?

Thanks

Rob



Taffy66

2,614 posts

46 months

Monday 24th December 2018
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Its being delivered by covered transport( which i insisted on btw) sometime this week..A 650 Spyder was also on my shortlist and i was rather smitten by a Mantis green example which was for sale at McLaren Birmingham..

rickyneil

67 posts

68 months

Monday 24th December 2018
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I looked at that car recently, it’s a lovely car, I wanted to buy it but we couldn’t agree a price, I can see that as time went on they have been more flexible with that.

I did buy a Mantis 650 Spider from Glasgow, you will love the car, everyone will call it Kermit 🐸

jamieo

152 posts

156 months

Monday 24th December 2018
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GT4RS said:
Hi Jamieo

Thank you for taking the time to reply.

I’ve asked to the dealer to confirm if the vents are factory fitted and if it’s out of warranty, they are yet to reply.

I personally would only be interested in this car if the dealer is willing to have it inspected by Mclaren and they would need to add at least a 12 month Mclaren warranty on it for the original price it was advertised for.

The only thing which I’m unsure of is the colour of the interior, but I guess until you view it in the flesh it’s hard to tell.

A curve ball popped since I spotted this one.

https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...

Spider for coupe money and a slightly more neutral interior?
The carbon interior pack is mostly considered a must have. The carbon exterior pack - side blades, front splitter, rear bumper - desirable. I’d then say engine covers, door sills, etc. MSO rear diffuser, long paddles, louvers are the more unusual carbon bling. Interestingly both the cars you shared don’t have the carbon exterior pack - particularly odd for coupe given it’s other carbon bling. Both seem nice cars at low mileage.

Warranty was a must for me. I’d be happy with a McLaren check and then discounting in the warranty costs.

Having bought a coupe, I would have course talk them up - as I said, a lot fewer of them, are about 50kg lighter and have better roof line. But really, you pick what you like as the spiders aren’t compromised and zero performance difference.

Best person to talk to is Alistair Bols, he’ll give you a good view of what’s good to get.

The McLaren Owners Club often has people selling their cars and not listed. If you join the free/open classifieds page on Facebook and post saying what you’re looking for, you may find some interesting options.




slarti650

1,812 posts

98 months

Wednesday 26th December 2018
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You really want a 650 because when you slam your brakes on the whole spoiler comes up vertical and is the coolest thing to ever happen to supercars.

MDL111

3,666 posts

121 months

Wednesday 26th December 2018
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slarti650 said:
You really want a 650 because when you slam your brakes on the whole spoiler comes up vertical and is the coolest thing to ever happen to supercars.
I agree - that spoiler and the low weight are both very very good selling points. Will need to try one at some point.
Doesn’t look like on the 720 is comes up that much - might be mistaken though as not first hand experience

slarti650

1,812 posts

98 months

Wednesday 26th December 2018
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Honestly, the drama and theatre around that one feature of the car probably makes mine a keeper! Everyone around suddenly stops, looks and collectively thinks/says "WTF!!". I know, possibly the daftest reason in the world to choose a car.

rickyneil

67 posts

68 months

Wednesday 26th December 2018
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slarti650 said:
You really want a 650 because when you slam your brakes on the whole spoiler comes up vertical and is the coolest thing to ever happen to supercars.
+1😀

slarti650

1,812 posts

98 months

Wednesday 26th December 2018
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You really want a 650 because when you slam your brakes on the whole spoiler comes up vertical and is the coolest thing to ever happen to supercars.

andrew

8,768 posts

136 months

Thursday 27th December 2018
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slarti650 said:
You really want a 650 because when you slam your brakes on the whole spoiler comes up vertical and is the coolest thing to ever happen to supercars.
my mate's old escort with the dodgy boot latch had a similar feature

br d

7,084 posts

170 months

Thursday 27th December 2018
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MDL111 said:
I agree - that spoiler and the low weight are both very very good selling points. Will need to try one at some point.
Doesn’t look like on the 720 is comes up that much - might be mistaken though as not first hand experience
The spoiler on the 720S lifts more regularly than the 650S. When I had the 650S I asked if the software could be tweaked to get it to lift more often but it was no go. You have to be driving pretty hard to get the 650S spoiler up.

I was surprised when I got the 720 that the spoiler is much more lively.

JayK12

1,794 posts

146 months

Thursday 27th December 2018
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Really interesting post Br d (just like your others I've spent a lot of time reading).

I personally have never been one of all out speed or acceleration, for me if its a road car its always about involvement and actually getting 95% out of the car, have it on edge. Hence my current car is NA, Manual, Mid Engine, 330hp and super fun! My track/race cars have been all about lap times but I find it different for the road. Can i handle more yes, do i need more, no not really, I enjoy driving on the ragged edge and to do that the car needs to be slower.

I regularly drive with a top group of guys in 675's, 570's, R8 V10, GT3 etc etc, and I have to rev mine out in every gear and be flat out, when following, so I might be at 90% the McLarens are at 50% for example. I am having a lot of fun. There is always a temptation for more though, or just something different, I have been nosing 570's quite a alot recently, they sound great with an Xpipe or Larini Exhaust!

Keep your posts coming, always a good read!


LotusJas

821 posts

175 months

Thursday 27th December 2018
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MDL111 said:
I agree - that spoiler and the low weight are both very very good selling points. Will need to try one at some point.
Doesn’t look like on the 720 is comes up that much - might be mistaken though as not first hand experience
I can confirm that under just moderately hard braking from speed, the 720S wing comes up near vertical, and completely blocks your rear vision - very very cool biggrin

MDL111

3,666 posts

121 months

Thursday 27th December 2018
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br d said:
MDL111 said:
I agree - that spoiler and the low weight are both very very good selling points. Will need to try one at some point.
Doesn’t look like on the 720 is comes up that much - might be mistaken though as not first hand experience
The spoiler on the 720S lifts more regularly than the 650S. When I had the 650S I asked if the software could be tweaked to get it to lift more often but it was no go. You have to be driving pretty hard to get the 650S spoiler up.

I was surprised when I got the 720 that the spoiler is much more lively.
Interesting - I mainly referred to height/angle though - It looks like less of an angle in pics