Ferrari 488 Replacement...

Ferrari 488 Replacement...

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Slickhillsy

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1,752 posts

81 months

Saturday 9th February
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Anyone know if this is being launched at this year's Geneva show?

johnnyreggae

2,272 posts

98 months

Saturday 9th February
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Last months' thread thought so

It sounds like Geneva will be more of a facelift though with the replacement a year or two out

Meanwhile there are suggestions of a v8 supercar which is being referred to as Big Brother later this year

The recent results presentation suggested five new models in total this year - speculation includes hard top Portofino (possibly V6TT) 812 Spider 488 facelift 488 Spider facelift and Big Brother

thecook101

571 posts

53 months

Saturday 9th February
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Do Ferrari do facelifts? 612 OTO was sort-of but just added extra options as opposed to any styling change.

MDL111

3,125 posts

115 months

Saturday 9th February
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Dealer said Geneva and called it more of a very comprehensive facelift when I asked about platform change ala 430 to 458

Slickhillsy

Original Poster:

1,752 posts

81 months

Saturday 9th February
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MDL111 said:
Dealer said Geneva and called it more of a very comprehensive facelift when I asked about platform change ala 430 to 458
Agreed. 430 to 458 was more than a facelift for sure and this is what I heard, expected for the 488 replacement. Just unsure when the launch was.
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Zadkiel

253 posts

84 months

Sunday 10th February
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Ferrari have never really done a facelift before unless you go back to 328 being a "facelift" of the 308. Would be interesting to see.

DeltaOne

500 posts

151 months

Sunday 10th February
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Zadkiel said:
Ferrari have never really done a facelift before unless you go back to 328 being a "facelift" of the 308. Would be interesting to see.
On the contrary, they’ve done loads. In theory every other car is a facelift (e.g 355 to 360 is a facelift, then the 430 is the next generation). In V12 world 550 to 575 was obviously a facelift, and 599 then the “new” car, but before that TR to 512TR and finally to 512M were evolutions, just as 456 to 456M was a facelift.

I’ve been told same re 488 replacement being 18 months away yet, probably about the same time as the next car in the Icona series, and 812 Spider closer than both those

markiii

1,119 posts

132 months

Sunday 10th February
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360 was a totally different car to the 355, think you mean 355 was a facelift of the 348

NoPaddleShiftForMe

137 posts

35 months

Sunday 10th February
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If they continue the trend it will be a new design.

308 - 328 Facelift
328 - 348 New Design
348 - 355 Facelift
355 - 360 New Design
360 -430 Facelift
430 - 458 New Design
458 - 488 Facelift


DeltaOne

500 posts

151 months

Sunday 10th February
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NoPaddleShiftForMe said:
If they continue the trend it will be a new design.

308 - 328 Facelift
328 - 348 New Design
348 - 355 Facelift
355 - 360 New Design
360 -430 Facelift
430 - 458 New Design
458 - 488 Facelift

Yes of course, momentary brain fade.... 355 was my first Ferrari and still the one I most want to buy back, really should not have got that mixed up!

4rephill

3,606 posts

116 months

Sunday 10th February
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I think the term "facelift" belittles the extent of the changes that Ferrari make when they introduce a new model.

I would say they are "evolutions", rather than "facelifts".

In the case of the the 308 GTB/GTS series, the facelifts came when the cars went from carburettors to injection, and from 2 valve engines to 4 valve engines.

When the 328 GTB/GTS came along, it was an evolution of the 308 GTB/GTS, rather than simply a face lift.

the wheelbase was 10mm longer and the car was 10mm wider, 8mm taller and it was 25mm longer than the 308 versions. In addition, the 328 did not use the same chassis as the 308 version (it was similar in principal, but not the same).

The 328 "facelift" came with the introduction of the ABS models (which mainly consisted of mechanical changes to the suspension geometry along with the braking system)

The 348 was a completely new model compared to the 308/328, and it's "facelift" came when the TB/TS versions were replaced with the GTB/GTS versions. This "facelift" included minor cosmetic changes to the appearance of the cars, an increase in power, wider wheel tracks, and changes to the suspension geometry to make the cars more predictable.

The F355 was an evolution of the 348. The body shell was essentially the same, but there were major changes made to the chassis, the suspension, and to the drive-train. Aside from a update with the engine management system (from2.7 Motronic to 5.2 Motronic), the 355 didn't really receive a facelift.

The 360 was a completely new car, with a whole new body/chassis design and construction, and the only things it shared with the 355, were the badges. The 360 received a "facelift" (as such), in the form of the 360 Challenge Stradale.

The F430 was an evolution of the 360. The overall shape was similar, but the changes made, both cosmetically and mechanically, went far beyond what could be described as simply being a "facelift". The facelift for the F430 came in the form of the F430 Scuderia.

The 458 was a completely new car, with nothing in common with the 430 that preceded it. The "facelift" for the 458 came in the shape of the 458 Speciale.

The 488 was an evolution of the 458. The basic design was similar to the 458's, but there were numerous changes made to the chassis, body and drive train, the biggest of which was the move to a twin turbo engine. The "faclift" for the 488 was the 488 Pista.

Ferrari's usual standard practice for it's two seater V8 goes: New model -> Facelift -> Evolution -> Facelift -> New model.

With the 458/488, we have had the new model (the 458), we have had the 458 "facelift" (the Speciale), we have had the evolution (the 488), and we have had the Evolution "facelift" (the 488 Pista), so the next car should really be a new model.

There is no guarantee that Ferrari will follow it's usual pattern however. For example, in the case of the Testarossa series, there was the new model (the '84 Testarossa) -> a "facelift" version (the 512 TR), which was followed by a second "facelift" version (the 512M), rather than an evolution of the design (It could be argued that the 512M was an evolution car, but aside from different lights front and rear, it looked the same as the Testarossa and 512TR).



MDL111

3,125 posts

115 months

Sunday 10th February
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Maybe evolution vs platform change is more accurate I guess
New one does not sound like it will be a platform change

CitySlicker

175 posts

31 months

Sunday 10th February
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Maybe longer and fatter as per the 992 to account for hybrid tech?

Zadkiel

253 posts

84 months

Sunday 10th February
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I knew I should have put more effort into my post, but I think what I meant to say has been captured above. Really they don't do "facelifts" in the form of doing revisions to an existing model (name plate). So when people say a facelift is going to be launched do they mean it will still be called the 488? Or will it be a new name, which by Ferrari parlance is a new model. I think the Testarossa to 512TR to 512M might be the best example for what might occur here but as pointed out the double revision/evolution is very unusual in their history so would be quite surprising.