McLaren 765LT

McLaren 765LT

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355spiderguy

Original Poster:

598 posts

118 months

Saturday 19th October
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MAC 720S said:
mcbuild said:
Confirmed details:

700 spider, 700 coupe units
765 LT naming
no 600LT-Style upper exhausts

Source: Secured build
Who is McBuild? Joined yesterday and 1 post.
Dunno...but post 2 has a lot to live up to...hehe

Steve7777

201 posts

96 months

Sunday 20th October
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D4rez said:
I mean 1400 is well under 50% of the number of 488 Pistas made last year alone before the F8 came in with the same engine. No reason this should have worse RVs
What about the much weaker brand? Mclaren could make a car identical to the Pista down to the last bolt and the market for it would be a fraction of the size. The fact they’re making so many cars *relative to how many people want one* is why the residuals are worse.

LotusJas

899 posts

178 months

Sunday 20th October
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RobDown said:
If this were two-three years ago I think they could sell-out. But in today’s market it feels unlikely.

And then it becomes a bit circular - as people realise they won’t be able to flip them, orders will be cancelled, leading to a softer market.

Will be delighted to be proven wrong. But Senna and Pista are my corroborating evidence
Senna is not a valid comparison. Pista is not appreciating, but I'm unaware of a single new one standing unsold?

Market is bad - agree there.

Purple Man

49 posts

20 months

Sunday 20th October
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A limited number should have been 765 in total.
McLaren just don’t get it.
The 600LT is something special, but they needed to limit it 600 coupes then 600 spiders.
Take a lesson from Porsche they know how to limit a car and create demand.
McLaren might have a better car in the 600LT, better than a GT3RS, but if you flood the market then prices suffer and reputations fall. The 600LT won virtually every best car of the year award and rightly so. They needed to limit the supply and make people buy a 570 before you even got a chance of getting on the list.
Who is going to put 20k down on a 765LT now, when everyone knows they will be available at 40k below list a month after they start being delivered.

mcbuild

3 posts

1 month

Saturday 26th October
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Purple Man said:
A limited number should have been 765 in total.
McLaren just don’t get it.
The 600LT is something special, but they needed to limit it 600 coupes then 600 spiders.
Take a lesson from Porsche they know how to limit a car and create demand.
McLaren might have a better car in the 600LT, better than a GT3RS, but if you flood the market then prices suffer and reputations fall. The 600LT won virtually every best car of the year award and rightly so. They needed to limit the supply and make people buy a 570 before you even got a chance of getting on the list.
Who is going to put 20k down on a 765LT now, when everyone knows they will be available at 40k below list a month after they start being delivered.
I agree with you, but you do realize that there are more GT3 RS on the market than normal GT3's, because Porsche didn't limit either the GT3 or the GT3 RS.

And then the 911R, which was dropped before the GT3 Touring pack.

I'm curious to see what Mclaren will do with the 765LT. The only reason I went for the car is the fact that it might simply just be almost as fast as the Senna, without looking as hideous.

355spiderguy

Original Poster:

598 posts

118 months

Thursday 31st October
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mcbuild said:
I agree with you, but you do realize that there are more GT3 RS on the market than normal GT3's, because Porsche didn't limit either the GT3 or the GT3 RS.

And then the 911R, which was dropped before the GT3 Touring pack.

I'm curious to see what Mclaren will do with the 765LT. The only reason I went for the car is the fact that it might simply just be almost as fast as the Senna, without looking as hideous.
When are McLaren planning on the launch for this?

Looking forward to specifications and pics.

MDL111

3,888 posts

124 months

Thursday 31st October
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mcbuild said:
Purple Man said:
A limited number should have been 765 in total.
McLaren just don’t get it.
The 600LT is something special, but they needed to limit it 600 coupes then 600 spiders.
Take a lesson from Porsche they know how to limit a car and create demand.
McLaren might have a better car in the 600LT, better than a GT3RS, but if you flood the market then prices suffer and reputations fall. The 600LT won virtually every best car of the year award and rightly so. They needed to limit the supply and make people buy a 570 before you even got a chance of getting on the list.
Who is going to put 20k down on a 765LT now, when everyone knows they will be available at 40k below list a month after they start being delivered.
I agree with you, but you do realize that there are more GT3 RS on the market than normal GT3's, because Porsche didn't limit either the GT3 or the GT3 RS.

And then the 911R, which was dropped before the GT3 Touring pack.

I'm curious to see what Mclaren will do with the 765LT. The only reason I went for the car is the fact that it might simply just be almost as fast as the Senna, without looking as hideous.
I agree - I'd say very few Porsches are really limited - look at the Speedster 1,948 units is nowadays called "limited"
They last ones I can think of are the 911R, and then the 997 generation numbers limited cars (RS 4.0, 2RS, Speedster, SportClassic)
They even built something in the region of 3,500 991 GT2 RS I think (at least that is the figure I remember reading somewhere)
Having said all that, thanks to lower list price and better brand name, there is a lot more demand for these. I suspect if McLaren wanted to limit their cars on a like for like basis, they'd have to limit them to something below 500 units, which is not sustainable without building 200k other cars a year

I suspect given where the market is heading, the Porsche buyers won't see premiums anymore either in the near future and they will depreciate as well, albeit at a slower rate than a 300k McLaren. Finally, the UK market seems a little different to other markets with regards to Porsche values - list prices are (and have been much in the recent past) lower like-for-like than for instance in Germany and supply lower as well, therefore creating the perfect storm for strong residual values / cachet of being able to get one.

Am looking forward to seeing the LT model - am sure it will be a great car (unfortunately way out of my price range though). Could it be that that will be the last McLaren Super Series (that's the correct one, right?) special version without any hybrid assistance?

LotusJas

899 posts

178 months

Thursday 31st October
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MDL111 said:
Am looking forward to seeing the LT model - am sure it will be a great car (unfortunately way out of my price range though). Could it be that that will be the last McLaren Super Series (that's the correct one, right?) special version without any hybrid assistance?
Yes, the last of the breed.

The hybrids will of course be quicker though, but I'd rather have the last non hybrid LT personally.

Matty3

292 posts

31 months

Thursday 31st October
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What is the list price? - before additions?

BoxerF50

700 posts

138 months

Saturday 2nd November
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Matty3 said:
What is the list price? - before additions?
I heard it will likely be + GBP 100k on the 720.

mcbuild

3 posts

1 month

Saturday 2nd November
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355spiderguy said:
When are McLaren planning on the launch for this?

Looking forward to specifications and pics.
I was told Geneva 2020

Matty3

292 posts

31 months

Wednesday 6th November
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Will be watching possible availability very closely - this will be possibly the best Supercar out there and unfortunately the last of the breed ⁸

Cheib

17,045 posts

122 months

Thursday
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MDL111 said:
I agree - I'd say very few Porsches are really limited - look at the Speedster 1,948 units is nowadays called "limited"
They last ones I can think of are the 911R, and then the 997 generation numbers limited cars (RS 4.0, 2RS, Speedster, SportClassic)
They even built something in the region of 3,500 991 GT2 RS I think (at least that is the figure I remember reading somewhere)
Having said all that, thanks to lower list price and better brand name, there is a lot more demand for these. I suspect if McLaren wanted to limit their cars on a like for like basis, they'd have to limit them to something below 500 units, which is not sustainable without building 200k other cars a year
I hadn’t realised this before but the UK got very few GT2 RS’s against the global production numbers. We got 120 GT2 RS’s, UK normally gets 10 to 15% of production....the US alone got over 1000 cars where there are no longer premium’s (shock). If your 3500 number is right we got a tiny amount of cars....have to believe Porsche GB did that on purpose. If they’d taken the normal % and got 300 plus cars it would have been interesting to see what happened !

Edit - Just remember GT2 RS were limited here because of the incoming GPF production regs I suspect. All UK cars were built Jan/Feb 2018...US got them for a lot longer.

Edited by Cheib on Thursday 7th November 21:02