McLaren 620R

[RBT0]

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/hardco...

Thoughts?

[IMI A]

Same as new GT in terms of a complete non event. Better off buying a pair of 1999 Boxster S for peanuts and take them on track with friends without a care in the world. Mcl are delusional that this is a "by invitation only car." Its simply not desirable enough. No doubt will break all internal performance targets/benchmarks but this misses the point and why a 250bhp manual clapped out Boxster may be more fun to own.

[PompeyReece]

I think the people this is aimed at can afford and will want a lot more car than a clapped out Boxster.

Most can afford a Boxster, this is aimed at people with money who will pay for exclusivity.

[12pack]

IMI A said:

Same as new GT in terms of a complete non event. Better off buying a pair of 1999 Boxster S for peanuts and take them on track with friends without a care in the world. Mcl are delusional that this is a "by invitation only car." Its simply not desirable enough. No doubt will break all internal performance targets/benchmarks but this misses the point and why a 250bhp manual clapped out Boxster may be more fun to own.

Well Mcl are at it again. Seems like it will be a great track monster for those that can afford it.

I get what you are trying to say about feel and not worrying about the car, but even my lowly 650s delivers such an adrenaline rush that makes it so much more exciting on track than my previous manual, feelsome cars.

Edited by 12pack on Saturday 12th October 14:29

[355spiderguy]

12pack said:

Well Mcl are at it again. Seems like it will be a great track monster for those that can afford it.

I get what you are trying to say about feel and not worrying about the car, but even my lowly 650s delivers such an adrenaline rush that makes it so much exciting on track than my previous manual, feelsome cars.

I would say the 'problem' is with McLaren that they set a rod for their back with the 12C.

Whizz forward 8 years and they are launching cars that in real world terms are not that much quicker....certainly not on the road.

A standard 12C now at £70k would not be shown a clean set of heels even by this 620R...spend a few grand a Thorney and then you have a car that is probably the best part of £160k less than the 620R that cannot shake it on the track...and it still looks like it could be launched today as it has aged fantastically.

I get that some people want the absolute latest but they are chasing the tide...the next latest shall be along shortly, and again not much quicker.

It almost like they are squeezing the last bit out of the toothpaste tube...the next huge step can only be made with full electric.

[RBT0]

Oh dear.

You really couldn't help yourself to stay away from price and depreciation discussion.

This topic is meant to be used to discuss spec and features of that car, not I can only afford a 12C and it's better value for money whatever.

I get why people stay away from this forum, too many lurkers after cheap to run supercars!

[RBT0]

I think the 620R so far appears as a 570S modded rather than 600LT pumped up.

It doesn't have all the USPs of LT...so not sure about the product proposition but sure McLaren will have already a roster of customers ready to get it for its exclusivity.

[MDL111]

RBT0 said:

Oh dear.

You really couldn't help yourself to stay away from price and depreciation discussion.

This topic is meant to be used to discuss spec and features of that car, not I can only afford a 12C and it's better value for money whatever.

I get why people stay away from this forum, too many lurkers after cheap to run supercars!

From what I can see you just posted “thoughts?” - i’d Say that leaves the topic pretty open and one or two posters had thoughts on value for money ....
Edited for typo

[MDL111]

For what it is worth my thoughts - if it is really a GT4 car for the road, then I think it is quite exciting. If it is - as usual for most/all manufacturers - a car that is marketed as a race car with number plates, but in reality is a road car with a little more aero and some fancy looking carbon parts, then less exciting imo.
I will be quite interested in specs and weight - as I posted on the other thread, a working roof scoop is very cool and if it has a proper cage, suspension, can be run on slicks with the current setup etc - then it might be quite exciting.

[Never you mind]

RBT0 said:

I think the 620R so far appears as a 570S modded rather than 600LT pumped up.

It doesn't have all the USPs of LT...so not sure about the product proposition but sure McLaren will have already a roster of customers ready to get it for its exclusivity.

If you read the article the power is restricted due to regluations hence wy they used a 570 but as this has no regulations the car is boosted to 620 so more power than the 600LT.

Only McLaren I've really quite liked the look of. I have a thing for wings on cars. Looks a little awkward from the rear but side on likes awesome.

Edited by Never you mind on Saturday 12th October 14:01

[355spiderguy]

RBT0 said:

Oh dear.

You really couldn't help yourself to stay away from price and depreciation discussion.

This topic is meant to be used to discuss spec and features of that car, not I can only afford a 12C and it's better value for money whatever.

I get why people stay away from this forum, too many lurkers after cheap to run supercars!

Oh dear.

Pity you have no understanding about what i posted before you dived in with a glib reply.

No mention whatsover of depreciation...as for you calling fellow Mclaren owners with anything less than what you have as 'lurkers' running cheap to run supercars you really need to have a word with yourself.

I stated that McLaren had already started with an amazing product that 8 years later is still a very relevant benchmark all these years later...not just to other manufacturers but to McLaren themselves.

I was agreeing with 12pack that whilst it may be a great product the 620 will only be slightly more quicker and slightly more exciting than previous McLarens it has followed.

You asked for thoughts and i posted mines; it seems you originally offered none but then quickly showed your thoughts of fellow McLaren owners.

[andrew]

sometimes, it's like rambolambo never left us

[carspath]

I really don't understand why price and depreciation should not be discussed when assessing any car .

Sure , lets also discuss its design and its mechanicals and its performance..... that's critically important .

But most of us are on this forum because we like cars , which in turn means we aspire to owning them at some point in our lives .

And money ( initial purchase price , discounts , depreciation ) is the key determinant as to whether we can actively participate , or are forced to only spectate.

So I would contend that deterring discussion about money ( and we are no longer at an Victorian dinner party ) , is to self-censor for no good reason , and to deny ourselves getting a 360 degree view of any given car . It's like a scientist who will not look at some empirical finding , or a judge who chooses to ignore verifiable evidence .

And many enthusiasts are so much more knowledgeable than some owners …. they should be welcomed .

We are all lurking around here after all

[isaldiri]

MDL111 said:

For what it is worth my thoughts - if it is really a GT4 car for the road, then I think it is quite exciting. If it is - as usual for most/all manufacturers - a car that is marketed as a race car with number plates, but in reality is a road car with a little more aero and some fancy looking carbon parts, then less exciting imo..

But why? A full blown gt4 race car somehow made road legal would still be absolutely terrible on the road. You then need somehow to get slicks to the circuit then have to faff about spannering the thing so if you were going to go the whole hog of doing that you might as well just buy a proper 570 gt4 rather than some fancy limited edition expensive road car if track capability/usage was really you were looking for.

The whole 'race car made road legal' is just totally market BS to manufacturers to try to appeal to the so called 'hardcore' faux racer wannabe buyers imo. Track focused road cars are brilliant, don't get me wrong and I have a strong preference for them over the standard models as they are that bit sharper to drive and more focused but they are road cars that are good for clowning on track with friends and absolutely not full blown track cars that one hammers on track non stop. A further tuned up and tweaked 600lt (already a brilliant car) would be far more interesting a car than a 570 gt4 made road legal that would be terrible on the road and a lot worse on the track than it used to be imo.

[MDL111]

isaldiri said:

MDL111 said:

For what it is worth my thoughts - if it is really a GT4 car for the road, then I think it is quite exciting. If it is - as usual for most/all manufacturers - a car that is marketed as a race car with number plates, but in reality is a road car with a little more aero and some fancy looking carbon parts, then less exciting imo..

But why? A full blown gt4 race car somehow made road legal would still be absolutely terrible on the road. You then need somehow to get slicks to the circuit then have to faff about spannering the thing so if you were going to go the whole hog of doing that you might as well just buy a proper 570 gt4 rather than some fancy limited edition expensive road car if track capability/usage was really you were looking for.

The whole 'race car made road legal' is just totally market BS to manufacturers to try to appeal to the so called 'hardcore' faux racer wannabe buyers imo. Track focused road cars are brilliant, don't get me wrong and I have a strong preference for them over the standard models as they are that bit sharper to drive and more focused but they are road cars that are good for clowning on track with friends and absolutely not full blown track cars that one hammers on track non stop. A further tuned up and tweaked 600lt (already a brilliant car) would be far more interesting a car than a 570 gt4 made road legal that would be terrible on the road and a lot worse on the track than it used to be imo.

Mainly Because for once it would then be what it says on the tin as opposed to the above description. Enough of those cars around - build sth different/truer to the sales pitch (esp if it is a very limited car anyway that they will have no trouble selling). I don’t think many would care if it is terrible on the road as for enjoyable road driving, they can just use their 600LT (and I’d guess it has its charm not to have to use a trailer and just throw slicks in a support car that you might also use on track - eg a Clio or the like)

I doubt it will happen though

[isaldiri]

MDL111 said:

Mainly Because for once it would then be what it says on the tin as opposed to the above description. Enough of those cars around - build sth different/truer to the sales pitch (esp if it is a very limited car anyway that they will have no trouble selling). I don’t think many would care if it is terrible on the road as for enjoyable road driving, they can just use their 600LT (and I’d guess it has its charm not to have to use a trailer and just throw slicks in a support car that you might also use on track - eg a Clio or the like)

I doubt it will happen though

I suppose that's part of my point. Manufacturers should stop the marketing hogwash about 'race cars for the road' and be more honest about the sales pitch.

And I completely disagree with you about people not caring about how expensive limited road cars drive on the road as basically it would be nuts to want to use such a car (complete with expensive cf parts) primarily for track when a true track car would be far better. Especially if you are taking a second support car then trailering said proper track car would be a lot more useful than just taking slicks....

[MDL111]

I get your point, but trailering a car is a hassle - I need to do a license, store a huge BJ trailer plus own an SUV (not easy in a big city) and then travel there at low speed. I was very close to buying one as I wanted a GT3 car last year, but in the end it was sold before I would/could commit. Might still do it eventually, but I see the charm of being able to get to the track on plates, even if it is a not a necessarily pleasant drive.

At a McLaren track day you probably don’t even have to bring the slicks yourself as you will have dealer support I’d imagine (of course then they could also trailer your car there is the counter-point I guess)

[ChrisW.]

A very interesting conversation.

I stand on the sidelines as far as race compatibility is concerned ... I have raced and have no desire to trailer to and fro ... and to be fair, McL really don' have a voice in this if a car requires spanner checking both before and after a trackday to retain its warranty. So they are road cars.

It is very possible to upgrade cars such as the 981 GT4 to make them better both on road and track ... the essence of Clubsport.

I've spent £30k on mine and save £5k each year in consumables saved ... tyres / brake pads / etc ... and I have £20k's worth of P spares removed ...

Now out of warranty the P mantra of n rated tyres and P approved accessories is a weight off my shoulders ... but still I spanner check every third or fourth trakday.

And the passengers really have no idea that they are 3 or 4s a lap off full race pace .. such fun !

[RBT0]

Officially revealed today

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/new-mc...

Still disappointed about the look of it.

Everything else seems fine, just looks odd as plain 570S body, apart from bonnet and wing.

[MDL111]

slicks on the options list - might be a first
I like it - wouldn’t buy it, but still like it - looks like a good effort