600LT v 720S

[JiggyJaggy]

Thanks I think your post has steered we strongly in the direction of the 720s for my own lifestyle and cr4ppy London roads etc.

[12pack]

430SD_LP640 said:

I had same dilemma and in the end I chose 600LT. I like the look of 600LT and the long tail bit and the front nose that are full of carbon (all 3 exterior packages need to be ticked). You need to drive both to feel them. I bought 600LT for a weekend toy and track day toy so I couldn’t care less about daily drive - which obviously 720S wins. 600LT without nose lift up is extremely low - 9mm ground clearance. So you probably need to be careful about the road condition. A small pothole will scrap the front end carbon if you drive too fast over it. I have tracked 600LT several times and on the tracks 600LT and 720S have almost identical results by average people. (If you think you beat 99% on track, then it is a different matter.) Lower weight can fully offset disadvantages of lower output and the lack of smart suspension and the active aero on tracks. You can see some sample records on fastestlaps.com. 720s’ active aero is ok but I already have Performante which imho works far better as a total package. Lastly, 600LT engine in track mode with full pedal pressed behaves in a completely different manner - that’s where it beat 675LT (I owned 675LT before) and 720s. I am not talking about the statistics I am talking about the way it accelerates. This is actually what brought me over the line to buy 600LT.

If you want a car for DD, go for 720s. 600LT suspension is too rough for daily drive and the senna seat (it is a piece of art and a must for a 600LT) is just too difficult to get in and out on daily basis. 9mm ground clearance combined with fiddly nose lift operation makes things even worse.

Where the 675LT really improved on the 650s is the a much tighter front end. My 650s wanders under braking with the aero deployed, unless I really trail brake aggressively with the air blade coming down, but once I’ve got that figured.....wow. How’s the 600LT in comparison? I’m not on Trofeos, btw (std on the 600lt?)

[12pack]

And a fresh review from mainstream media, only interesting because it compares the car to a 720s, in a mainstream sort of way.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/07/review-2020-mclare...

[AndrewD]

12pack said:

Where the 675LT really improved on the 650s is the a much tighter front end. My 650s wanders under braking with the aero deployed, unless I really trail brake aggressively with the air blade coming down, but once I’ve got that figured.....wow. How’s the 600LT in comparison? I’m not on Trofeos, btw (std on the 600lt?)

My 600LTS came on P Zeros which are pretty dire. Going to trash them as soon as possible and put some better rubber on.

[Crazy4557]

Obafemi09 said:

I don't think you will be able to do this, I might be wrong but I asked McLaren about this very scenario and they said it was highly unlikely you could do that...

I just checked this and have had it in writing that I will be able to purchase the car at the end of the contract, I hope that clears that up for you.
Here's hoping it'll be worth tuppence

[garystoybox]

Crazy4557 said:

Obafemi09 said:

I don't think you will be able to do this, I might be wrong but I asked McLaren about this very scenario and they said it was highly unlikely you could do that...

I just checked this and have had it in writing that I will be able to purchase the car at the end of the contract, I hope that clears that up for you.
Here's hoping it'll be worth tuppence

Yes you can absolutely buy it outright but only at the guaranteed value. If the market trade value is say £30k less you’ll never get the car at the cheaper price and Mclaren will take the car back and auction off/retail themselves.

[RSbandit]

Yes that GFV figure is also the optional final payment so if the car is worth less on the mkt come that time you would simply give it back you certainly wouldn't be able to buy it at the market price.

[Bispal]

Great new comparison review of 675LT & 600LT by SCD just released on you tube.

https://youtu.be/EvngDQahiDk

[Obafemi09]

garystoybox said:

Crazy4557 said:

Obafemi09 said:

I don't think you will be able to do this, I might be wrong but I asked McLaren about this very scenario and they said it was highly unlikely you could do that...

I just checked this and have had it in writing that I will be able to purchase the car at the end of the contract, I hope that clears that up for you.
Here's hoping it'll be worth tuppence

Yes you can absolutely buy it outright but only at the guaranteed value. If the market trade value is say £30k less you’ll never get the car at the cheaper price and McLaren will take the car back and auction off/retail themselves.

Yep - apologies, this is what I meant, you can only buy it outright at the GFV price, not at what the car might be worth then...

[Crazy4557]

Obafemi09 said:

Yep - apologies, this is what I meant, you can only buy it outright at the GFV price, not at what the car might be worth then...

OK, so I got that wrong then! No doubt it will be worth less than the GFV if the depreciation continues but I’ll certainly not be paying anymore than it’s market value otherwise they can keep it. Here’s hoping my dealer will negotiate a price that’s good for us both at the time.

Wouldn’t want to call what the price might be though, this market’s all over the place at the moment.

[ferdi p]

Crazy4557 said:

OK, so I got that wrong then! No doubt it will be worth less than the GFV if the depreciation continues but I’ll certainly not be paying anymore than it’s market value otherwise they can keep it. Here’s hoping my dealer will negotiate a price that’s good for us both at the time.

Wouldn’t want to call what the price might be though, this market’s all over the place at the moment.

Nowt to do with the dealer, finance company will pick it up & sell it. They wont let you buy it for less than the GFV even though they'll probably sell it for less anyway, stupid I know!!

[sone]

Crazy4557 said:

Obafemi09 said:

Yep - apologies, this is what I meant, you can only buy it outright at the GFV price, not at what the car might be worth then...

OK, so I got that wrong then! No doubt it will be worth less than the GFV if the depreciation continues but I’ll certainly not be paying anymore than it’s market value otherwise they can keep it. Here’s hoping my dealer will negotiate a price that’s good for us both at the time.

Wouldn’t want to call what the price might be though, this market’s all over the place at the moment.

This is why I cant see how it works. So in two years time you give the car back to the dealer wait for him to re-list it at a lesser price than the GFV and then possibly buy it.
There's going to be a st load of ex lease cars arrive on the market all of a sudden.

[Crazy4557]

sone said:

This is why I cant see how it works. So in two years time you give the car back to the dealer wait for him to re-list it at a lesser price than the GFV and then possibly buy it.
There's going to be a st load of ex lease cars arrive on the market all of a sudden.

There's two 600 Coupe's listed now under £150k. One with 200 odd miles so my car in 2 years time with 14k up, albeit a Spider and one of many flooding the market, will be how much £110-120k? My GFV is £142k, it's never going to be worth close to that in my opinion so I'm banking on buying it at a much lower figure. If not I'll pass and find something else.

[JPCGT]

Finance companies will typically send ex-lease vehicles to auction eg BCA - potential for buying back your car for less than the GFV!

[IMI A]

Ridiculous VFM. Paid more for a brand new 2018 991.2 turbo s which puts things into perspective.

https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...

[ferdi p]

IMI A said:

Ridiculous VFM. Paid more for a brand new 2018 991.2 turbo s which puts things into perspective.

https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...

Sold immediately!

If priced correctly they fly off the shelves!

[anonymous-user]

ferdi p said:

IMI A said:

Ridiculous VFM. Paid more for a brand new 2018 991.2 turbo s which puts things into perspective.

https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...

Sold immediately!

If priced correctly they fly off the shelves!

It was sold before it was even advertised.

[IMI A]

MAC 720S said:

ferdi p said:

IMI A said:

Ridiculous VFM. Paid more for a brand new 2018 991.2 turbo s which puts things into perspective.

https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...

Sold immediately!

If priced correctly they fly off the shelves!

It was sold before it was even advertised.

Very nice deal. I’m sure there may b more

[ferdi p]

MAC 720S said:

It was sold before it was even advertised.

Great deal for the new owner.

This or a 2016 488 with 5k miles +

No brainer!

[RSbandit]

Wow that was aggressively priced makes all the 2017 cars with higher miles look expensive even at 150-160k