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Sone.....I THANK YOU !!!!
What's wrong with these people ???
That guy only had his car 3 months !!!
I'm glad I'm not the only one that can see this.
If they stayed in a 5 star hotel and the bath leaked or the TV didn't work or the bed was marked, etc. Just 1 small fault they would complain and want a new room and expect something complementary. But if their £150000 car breaks down......... That's fine cos it's acceptable.
If they all complained, the manufacturer would focus more on reliability. Until then, they've got you for the added cost of a warranty.
What's wrong with these people ???
That guy only had his car 3 months !!!
I'm glad I'm not the only one that can see this.
If they stayed in a 5 star hotel and the bath leaked or the TV didn't work or the bed was marked, etc. Just 1 small fault they would complain and want a new room and expect something complementary. But if their £150000 car breaks down......... That's fine cos it's acceptable.
If they all complained, the manufacturer would focus more on reliability. Until then, they've got you for the added cost of a warranty.
Jesus numb nuts it was a 2016 car that the guy has had for 3 months with "slight play" in a ball joint & a dodgy key fob which could of been dropped.....
Do try to remember above all McLaren make fantastic drivers cars, occasionally you may have the odd issue but they are so rewarding to drive that any perceived deficiency compared to the bore fest that is a Porsche is soon banished.
7000 fabulous fun filled miles with just one slight trim issue in my 570 Spider, always a treat to drive her. Porsche predecessor barley left the garage as it was so dull before being sold after 2 years with barely 1600 miles on it.
Do try to remember above all McLaren make fantastic drivers cars, occasionally you may have the odd issue but they are so rewarding to drive that any perceived deficiency compared to the bore fest that is a Porsche is soon banished.
7000 fabulous fun filled miles with just one slight trim issue in my 570 Spider, always a treat to drive her. Porsche predecessor barley left the garage as it was so dull before being sold after 2 years with barely 1600 miles on it.
the av8er said:
Sone.....I THANK YOU !!!!
What's wrong with these people ???
That guy only had his car 3 months !!!
I'm glad I'm not the only one that can see this.
If they stayed in a 5 star hotel and the bath leaked or the TV didn't work or the bed was marked, etc. Just 1 small fault they would complain and want a new room and expect something complementary. But if their £150000 car breaks down......... That's fine cos it's acceptable.
If they all complained, the manufacturer would focus more on reliability. Until then, they've got you for the added cost of a warranty.
Even he said he was without one of his cars for sometime. So not zero issues even with his cars! What's wrong with these people ???
That guy only had his car 3 months !!!
I'm glad I'm not the only one that can see this.
If they stayed in a 5 star hotel and the bath leaked or the TV didn't work or the bed was marked, etc. Just 1 small fault they would complain and want a new room and expect something complementary. But if their £150000 car breaks down......... That's fine cos it's acceptable.
If they all complained, the manufacturer would focus more on reliability. Until then, they've got you for the added cost of a warranty.
I said I’d not had the use of my card in total of maybe 3 weeks in the last 12 years. I’ve actually lost time in my daily runners more.
Every part of me wanted a 720 I love the look the style the performance everyone is on another level . Forget depreciation I’ve lost a fortune on all marques but these niggles that are spoke of are unacceptable.
If any of my cars had continual niggles they’d be gone!
Paying 200k or whatever for a car it should be sorted!
Every part of me wanted a 720 I love the look the style the performance everyone is on another level . Forget depreciation I’ve lost a fortune on all marques but these niggles that are spoke of are unacceptable.
If any of my cars had continual niggles they’d be gone!
Paying 200k or whatever for a car it should be sorted!
It's pretty clear that Mclaren dealers will recommend replacing things if you have a warranty as its in the interests of their service dept to do so, the ball joint a prime example I couldn't feel any difference in how the car was handling but seeing as it was covered under warranty why not replace it. Same with the fobs I could just have gone on using the main one but again it's covered so might as well have that sorted too. The only real item that needed doing if I didn't have warranty was the dab tuner. The car was typically with the dealer no more than 2 days and always during the week so I didn't miss out on any real use.
There is no dependence between how expensive and item is and how reliable it is. The bigger dependence is on how many of the same item have been made so that multiple learning cycles can get incorporated into the product.
More complex, cutting edge cars ARE going to be less reliable than mass market VW’s. The least reliable Mac is the 20M$ MCL35.
Av8er - suggest you go for something more mainstream.
More complex, cutting edge cars ARE going to be less reliable than mass market VW’s. The least reliable Mac is the 20M$ MCL35.
Av8er - suggest you go for something more mainstream.
12pack said:
There is no dependence between how expensive and item is and how reliable it is. The bigger dependence is on how many of the same item have been made so that multiple learning cycles can get incorporated into the product.
More complex, cutting edge cars ARE going to be less reliable than mass market VW’s. The least reliable Mac is the 20M$ MCL35.
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Exactly - after 45m Toyota Corollas.......More complex, cutting edge cars ARE going to be less reliable than mass market VW’s. The least reliable Mac is the 20M$ MCL35.
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IMI A said:
AndrewD said:
The OP is deluded and on a wind up.
“...cars should be perfect and 100% reliable...”
Aaaanyway, literally who cares?
Pilots tend to be perfectionists especially when it comes to their hardware - hazard of the job “...cars should be perfect and 100% reliable...”
Aaaanyway, literally who cares?
Planes crash if they don't work. Cars leave you stranded but can make you crash if they glitch too. Pilots like neither in my experience as they tend to have aeronautical engineering background and appreciate precision engineering but no doubt there will be some who are less OCD than the pilots I know (and the OP) and also drive a Mcl
Ferruccio said:
Bought my first Lambo in 1987, aged 25, 50/50 with a mate, just before the stock market crash.
As a result, he couldn’t pay me his half for awhile.
I had to raid my big bottle full of copper coins to eat that week.
I’ve still got that car.
That’s all part of the joy of being in your 20’s..............
Fantastic! I love stories like that...Like me, I bet you have no regrets...I am so grateful I was able to get it out my system in my 20's. The downside now is that I am probably too risk averse for my own good!As a result, he couldn’t pay me his half for awhile.
I had to raid my big bottle full of copper coins to eat that week.
I’ve still got that car.
That’s all part of the joy of being in your 20’s..............
IMI A said:
Planes crash if they don't work. Cars leave you stranded but can make you crash if they glitch too. Pilots like neither in my experience as they tend to have aeronautical engineering background and appreciate precision engineering but no doubt there will be some who are less OCD than the pilots I know (and the OP) and also drive a Mcl
Pilots aren’t some godlike group who deserve more reliable cars. The colour of our money is the same. Most people can recognise a car doesn’t need to be as reliable as an aircraft, and as for McL’s having glitches causing them to crash, have you ever heard of that happening?As I said, in this day and age, anybody expecting any car to be 100% reliable is never going to buy anything. Whilst the rest of us, who live in the real world, go about our business enjoying these fantastic machines. Well, when this lockdown phase of C19 is over anyway.
!!av8er,
I've just come across this thread and find I agree with you on most points. Eighteen years ago when I made the decision to purchase my '72 De Tomaso Pantera, I did so with the belief that since it had a common Ford V8 powering it, that its future maintenance requirements would be more affordable than its Ferrari counterparts. Boy was I wrong! I essentially stopped driving the car because doing so I would nervously anticipate how it was going to break down on the limited driving I did do. Plus starting it with a finicky carburetor was always a 30 minute ritual. I came to resent driving it, so I didn't. Especially, after I bought a 5.0L Jaguar XKR in 2013 that was quicker, more comfortable, more nimble on the track and the street, reliable as hell, and unaffected by exterior conditions like temperature or traffic conditions. At that point, I couldn't justify putting myself through the headache of driving the Pantera. About 6 years ago, I decided that either I was going to make the Pantera more driveable and user friendly or I was going to get rid of it. I still loved looking at my beautiful cat, but my other cat, the Jaguar, was just so much more enjoyable and worry free. So what started as a simple carb to electronic fuel injection swap turned into a full restoration/modification project that brought modern supercar power 500+hp, complete leather interior with Corvette seats, flush windshield glass, significant cooling upgrades some tranny and suspension upgrades. And I now drive it every weekend with much more enjoyment and a lot less worry (although there is always some worry with these old Italian sports cars, justified or not). My Jag is still my daily driver and after 170,000 requires a little more maintenance but still the best automobile I've ever owned.
I've just come across this thread and find I agree with you on most points. Eighteen years ago when I made the decision to purchase my '72 De Tomaso Pantera, I did so with the belief that since it had a common Ford V8 powering it, that its future maintenance requirements would be more affordable than its Ferrari counterparts. Boy was I wrong! I essentially stopped driving the car because doing so I would nervously anticipate how it was going to break down on the limited driving I did do. Plus starting it with a finicky carburetor was always a 30 minute ritual. I came to resent driving it, so I didn't. Especially, after I bought a 5.0L Jaguar XKR in 2013 that was quicker, more comfortable, more nimble on the track and the street, reliable as hell, and unaffected by exterior conditions like temperature or traffic conditions. At that point, I couldn't justify putting myself through the headache of driving the Pantera. About 6 years ago, I decided that either I was going to make the Pantera more driveable and user friendly or I was going to get rid of it. I still loved looking at my beautiful cat, but my other cat, the Jaguar, was just so much more enjoyable and worry free. So what started as a simple carb to electronic fuel injection swap turned into a full restoration/modification project that brought modern supercar power 500+hp, complete leather interior with Corvette seats, flush windshield glass, significant cooling upgrades some tranny and suspension upgrades. And I now drive it every weekend with much more enjoyment and a lot less worry (although there is always some worry with these old Italian sports cars, justified or not). My Jag is still my daily driver and after 170,000 requires a little more maintenance but still the best automobile I've ever owned.
tberg said:
av8er,
I've just come across this thread and find I agree with you on most points. Eighteen years ago when I made the decision to purchase my '72 De Tomaso Pantera, I did so with the belief that since it had a common Ford V8 powering it, that its future maintenance requirements would be more affordable than its Ferrari counterparts. Boy was I wrong! I essentially stopped driving the car because doing so I would nervously anticipate how it was going to break down on the limited driving I did do. Plus starting it with a finicky carburetor was always a 30 minute ritual. I came to resent driving it, so I didn't. Especially, after I bought a 5.0L Jaguar XKR in 2013 that was quicker, more comfortable, more nimble on the track and the street, reliable as hell, and unaffected by exterior conditions like temperature or traffic conditions. At that point, I couldn't justify putting myself through the headache of driving the Pantera. About 6 years ago, I decided that either I was going to make the Pantera more driveable and user friendly or I was going to get rid of it. I still loved looking at my beautiful cat, but my other cat, the Jaguar, was just so much more enjoyable and worry free. So what started as a simple carb to electronic fuel injection swap turned into a full restoration/modification project that brought modern supercar power 500+hp, complete leather interior with Corvette seats, flush windshield glass, significant cooling upgrades some tranny and suspension upgrades. And I now drive it every weekend with much more enjoyment and a lot less worry (although there is always some worry with these old Italian sports cars, justified or not). My Jag is still my daily driver and after 170,000 requires a little more maintenance but still the best automobile I've ever owned.
didn't Elvis Presley have a Pantera? And was so fed up with its unreliability that he shot it!?I've just come across this thread and find I agree with you on most points. Eighteen years ago when I made the decision to purchase my '72 De Tomaso Pantera, I did so with the belief that since it had a common Ford V8 powering it, that its future maintenance requirements would be more affordable than its Ferrari counterparts. Boy was I wrong! I essentially stopped driving the car because doing so I would nervously anticipate how it was going to break down on the limited driving I did do. Plus starting it with a finicky carburetor was always a 30 minute ritual. I came to resent driving it, so I didn't. Especially, after I bought a 5.0L Jaguar XKR in 2013 that was quicker, more comfortable, more nimble on the track and the street, reliable as hell, and unaffected by exterior conditions like temperature or traffic conditions. At that point, I couldn't justify putting myself through the headache of driving the Pantera. About 6 years ago, I decided that either I was going to make the Pantera more driveable and user friendly or I was going to get rid of it. I still loved looking at my beautiful cat, but my other cat, the Jaguar, was just so much more enjoyable and worry free. So what started as a simple carb to electronic fuel injection swap turned into a full restoration/modification project that brought modern supercar power 500+hp, complete leather interior with Corvette seats, flush windshield glass, significant cooling upgrades some tranny and suspension upgrades. And I now drive it every weekend with much more enjoyment and a lot less worry (although there is always some worry with these old Italian sports cars, justified or not). My Jag is still my daily driver and after 170,000 requires a little more maintenance but still the best automobile I've ever owned.
I run a 2011 LP570 SL Gallardo without any kind of warranty. Bought it back in 2016. Dealer gave me 12 months, but haven’t bothered since. Never had a problem or expense outside of normal routine maintenance (watch it implode now I said that).
I figure that I have saved a few grand and should anything happen, I can offset that saving against any repair cost. I don’t worry about anything happening because the enjoyment I get out of driving it outweighs any concerns about what if, to the extent it never crosses my mind.
Therein lies the crux of it. It is all about your attitude to risk. I have to say, however, if you are looking for a Supercar experience, but with the assurance of 100% reliability then you will be looking a very long time. No marque offers 100% reliability. Not even a Kia.
To be honest, I am not sure why you started this thread. It seems kind of pointless, other than to add to the long line of Mclaren bashers....many of whom have never actually owned one. Yet, they seem to profess to be able to expertly assess their reliability record against their competitor set. All of whom also have reliability issues. See point above.
I figure that I have saved a few grand and should anything happen, I can offset that saving against any repair cost. I don’t worry about anything happening because the enjoyment I get out of driving it outweighs any concerns about what if, to the extent it never crosses my mind.
Therein lies the crux of it. It is all about your attitude to risk. I have to say, however, if you are looking for a Supercar experience, but with the assurance of 100% reliability then you will be looking a very long time. No marque offers 100% reliability. Not even a Kia.
To be honest, I am not sure why you started this thread. It seems kind of pointless, other than to add to the long line of Mclaren bashers....many of whom have never actually owned one. Yet, they seem to profess to be able to expertly assess their reliability record against their competitor set. All of whom also have reliability issues. See point above.
Superleg48 said:
I run a 2011 LP570 SL Gallardo without any kind of warranty. Bought it back in 2016. Dealer gave me 12 months, but haven’t bothered since. Never had a problem or expense outside of normal routine maintenance (watch it implode now I said that).
I figure that I have saved a few grand and should anything happen, I can offset that saving against any repair cost. I don’t worry about anything happening because the enjoyment I get out of driving it outweighs any concerns about what if, to the extent it never crosses my mind.
Therein lies the crux of it. It is all about your attitude to risk. I have to say, however, if you are looking for a Supercar experience, but with the assurance of 100% reliability then you will be looking a very long time. No marque offers 100% reliability. Not even a Kia.
To be honest, I am not sure why you started this thread. It seems kind of pointless, other than to add to the long line of Mclaren bashers....many of whom have never actually owned one. Yet, they seem to profess to be able to expertly assess their reliability record against their competitor set. All of whom also have reliability issues. See point above.
I pretty much agree with everything you wrote there, including the question to the OP about why they even started this thread.I figure that I have saved a few grand and should anything happen, I can offset that saving against any repair cost. I don’t worry about anything happening because the enjoyment I get out of driving it outweighs any concerns about what if, to the extent it never crosses my mind.
Therein lies the crux of it. It is all about your attitude to risk. I have to say, however, if you are looking for a Supercar experience, but with the assurance of 100% reliability then you will be looking a very long time. No marque offers 100% reliability. Not even a Kia.
To be honest, I am not sure why you started this thread. It seems kind of pointless, other than to add to the long line of Mclaren bashers....many of whom have never actually owned one. Yet, they seem to profess to be able to expertly assess their reliability record against their competitor set. All of whom also have reliability issues. See point above.
The only thing to add would be the costs involved with any failure on a McLaren seems to be significantly inflated compared to other comparable marques. This seems to be due to the unique technology, the limited independent options, and the parts supply restrictions rather than any increased frequency of failures with recent cars IMHO, this effects an owners (and indeed a prospective purchasers) assessment of the risk of running with or without a warranty. For me it would do McLaren a world of good to start offering more support to the independent sector.
12pack said:
There is no dependence between how expensive and item is and how reliable it is. The bigger dependence is on how many of the same item have been made so that multiple learning cycles can get incorporated into the product.
More complex, cutting edge cars ARE going to be less reliable than mass market VW’s. The least reliable Mac is the 20M$ MCL35.
Av8er - suggest you go for something more mainstream.
Our consumer legislation (the Australian Consumer Law) says that price and marketing are both factors in considering the length of a warranty that is to be implied upon consumer goods. So I suspect legally there is a relationship between the expensiveness of an item and how reliable it is meant to be. Certainly, the ACL was instrumental in Apple agreeing to provide goodwill repairs for all devices up to 3 years after purchase (previously warranty was only 1 year). And with nearly all manufacturers now moving to 5 year warranties, I have no doubt that McLaren Australia will be upholding goodwill repairs up to 5 years from the compliance date. I guess I will see in due course when I buy mine.More complex, cutting edge cars ARE going to be less reliable than mass market VW’s. The least reliable Mac is the 20M$ MCL35.
Av8er - suggest you go for something more mainstream.
Kid A said:
Our consumer legislation (the Australian Consumer Law) says that price and marketing are both factors in considering the length of a warranty that is to be implied upon consumer goods. So I suspect legally there is a relationship between the expensiveness of an item and how reliable it is meant to be. Certainly, the ACL was instrumental in Apple agreeing to provide goodwill repairs for all devices up to 3 years after purchase (previously warranty was only 1 year). And with nearly all manufacturers now moving to 5 year warranties, I have no doubt that McLaren Australia will be upholding goodwill repairs up to 5 years from the compliance date. I guess I will see in due course when I buy mine.
Surely it's more complicated than "expensive = longer warranty" though?Apple sell s
t loads of I-phones. That's quite different to selling a very expensive, limited number car.If you think that a £200k McLaren should automatically have a 5 year warranty - does that mean a £1M+ car should last 20 years without any fault?
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