Artura

Artura

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Lee Jones Jnr

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1,022 posts

139 months

Wednesday 17th February
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Well...
The numbers to some degree are irrelevant - every supercar made in the last ten years is a better performer than almost every driver and ‘real’ situation.
It looks good, but it is to a 570 when an F8 is to a 488, I’d have liked to see something new.

ras62

1,058 posts

125 months

Wednesday 17th February
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That is an awesome achievement by McLaren. It makes the Ferrari SF 90 "technical masterpiece" as Autocar called it look rather daft and at a price that should make Maranello blush.

BOR

4,254 posts

224 months

Wednesday 17th February
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I'm impressed that they have gone for a genuinely clean sheet engine design instead of a version of the V8.

I can see some market resistance to "only 6 cylinders" but 200bhp/litre is shockingly good.

It will be interesting to see if the power curve has been pushed up the RPM range with the e-motor used to torque-fill in the mid range.

Sounds like a lot of work has gone into this.

johnnyreggae

2,642 posts

129 months

Wednesday 17th February
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Don't forget the Ferrari equivalent is due in a couple of months ie V6 hybrid to replace F8

12pack

1,306 posts

137 months

Wednesday 17th February
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johnnyreggae said:
Don't forget the Ferrari equivalent is due in a couple of months ie V6 hybrid to replace F8
Yes, they needed to know what technical numbers to copy and try to match on their special factory tuned samples of the new model.

12pack

1,306 posts

137 months

Wednesday 17th February
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Do we know where the batteries are located? Curious if they've managed to keep the additional ballast close to the centre.

123RY

86 posts

49 months

Wednesday 17th February
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Lee Jones Jnr said:
Well...
The numbers to some degree are irrelevant - every supercar made in the last ten years is a better performer than almost every driver and ‘real’ situation.
It looks good, but it is to a 570 when an F8 is to a 488, I’d have liked to see something new.
Aha deeper into the pit you go!

NotNormal

2,291 posts

183 months

Wednesday 17th February
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12pack said:
Do we know where the batteries are located? Curious if they've managed to keep the additional ballast close to the centre.
Looking at the website, seems to be a flat slab under the seats/bulkhead

woodysnr

839 posts

197 months

Wednesday 17th February
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Ferruccio

1,601 posts

88 months

Wednesday 17th February
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123RY said:
Come on, clearly waiting for replies like yours to fuel his otherwise pitiful day. Don't bother, anyone with half a working grey cell would see the substantial changes from a 570S. And in the case he's blessed with one, wonder how he feels at every new 911 launch? Must really question all his long, arduous days to await a launch!
Why the odious, gratuitous, personal attack?
It’s a discussion about cars ffs.
Trolls like you are ruining PH for the majority.

123RY

86 posts

49 months

Wednesday 17th February
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Ferruccio said:
Why the odious, gratuitous, personal attack?
It’s a discussion about cars ffs.
Trolls like you are ruining PH for the majority.
So you believe OP's post to be justified? Not liking a car is one thing. Perfectly acceptable to talk about merits, dislikes etc. But to insinuate that the artura js no different to a 570S is downright daft and ignorant. I will call him out for it.

Wonder how you would have felt if he'd made that same post in the lamborghini section...?

Ferruccio

1,601 posts

88 months

Wednesday 17th February
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123RY said:
Ferruccio said:
Why the odious, gratuitous, personal attack?
It’s a discussion about cars ffs.
Trolls like you are ruining PH for the majority.
So you believe OP's post to be justified? Not liking a car is one thing. Perfectly acceptable to talk about merits, dislikes etc. But to insinuate that the artura js no different to a 570S is downright daft and ignorant. I will call him out for it.

Wonder how you would have felt if he'd made that same post in the lamborghini section...?
“his otherwise pitiful day.”
“Don't bother, anyone with half a working grey cell”
“And in the case he's blessed with one”
“Must really question all his long, arduous days to await a launch!”

Pure, personal trolling.
Nothing to do with car design.
Of whatever brand.

123RY

86 posts

49 months

Wednesday 17th February
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Ferruccio said:
“his otherwise pitiful day.”
“Don't bother, anyone with half a working grey cell”
“And in the case he's blessed with one”
“Must really question all his long, arduous days to await a launch!”

Pure, personal trolling.
Nothing to do with car design.
Of whatever brand.
Yes, as I said, I will call him out on it. I'm not trolling, just insulting. IF he had made a decent attempt at critiquing the Artura in the first place we may well have had a discussion on hand. This thread was doomed from the start. Fortunately, many other decent threads exist. If you truly believe I'm a troll I invite you to search my previous comments on said decent threads.
You haven't answered me anyway. Think his comment is justified?

Pioneer

1,231 posts

100 months

Wednesday 17th February
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ras62 said:
That is an awesome achievement by McLaren. It makes the Ferrari SF 90 "technical masterpiece" as Autocar called it look rather daft and at a price that should make Maranello blush.
I suspect the TCO for the F owner would be substantially less after 2-3 years of ownership.

OldAndTired

195 posts

14 months

Wednesday 17th February
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As long as you don’t drive the Ferrari.

garystoybox

506 posts

86 months

Wednesday 17th February
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ras62 said:
That is an awesome achievement by McLaren. It makes the Ferrari SF 90 "technical masterpiece" as Autocar called it look rather daft and at a price that should make Maranello blush.
Are you daft? The SF90 has 1000 horse power and is in a different league altogether from a performance point of view.

650spider

1,476 posts

140 months

Wednesday 17th February
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123RY said:
Wonder how you would have felt if he'd made that same post in the lamborghini section...?
Nobody posts over there hence why the come onto the Mac forum and generally try to cause bother.

It is comical that Porsche churn out another version of the GT3 that gets fawned over and yet its just another version of the previous version that was a version of another version; a bit like what Ferrari have since around 2010 to similar plaudits.

With JLRs massive announcement followed by Fords today, the game that was being changed has just sped up; all the manufacturers shall follow suit wayyy quicker than anticipated.

Whilst petrol shall still be produced for a very, very long time, taxation and constantly increasing areas that ICE cars shall be prohibited shall unfortunately make it tricky and expensive to enjoy an ICE supercar.

Really looking forward to the reviews to see how good it actually is....because it needs to be, and not just for McLarens sake.

Lee Jones Jnr

Original Poster:

1,022 posts

139 months

Wednesday 17th February
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123RY said:
Aha deeper into the pit you go!
Huh?

ras62

1,058 posts

125 months

Wednesday 17th February
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Pioneer said:
ras62 said:
That is an awesome achievement by McLaren. It makes the Ferrari SF 90 "technical masterpiece" as Autocar called it look rather daft and at a price that should make Maranello blush.
I suspect the TCO for the F owner would be substantially less after 2-3 years of ownership.
Im not convinced that will be the case tbh. The Ferrari production numbers and model changes have changed the landscape markedly. 488, F8 and 812 prices have been hammered in the quest for turnover and shareholder profit.


Blenheimorange

18 posts

114 months

Wednesday 17th February
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garystoybox said:
Are you daft? The SF90 has 1000 horse power and is in a different league altogether from a performance point of view.
Agree they don't compete at same level. Want to see Chris Harris do a Top Gear track lap time with the Artura to see where it sits. Has anyone seen how much front trunk space Artura has? SF90 has none, well perhaps enough for a woman's handbag.