MP4 12c is it worth while purchase?

MP4 12c is it worth while purchase?

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Paza3

172 posts

96 months

drcarrera said:
I'm a little surprised the MOC doesn't have an open page and/or forum for buying and selling. I'd love to be able to go on there and connect with any owners - it's always better dealing directly, enthusiast to enthusiast.
I think most people who are in the closed group are also on the open Mclaren FB pages, if someone was to post am looking for a "570s spider X Spec private buyer" it will get picked up and owners made aware am sure.

Funny enough I bought my recent 650s Spider via PH via a MOCUK owner via another MOCUK who knew this chap was trading in his car, so if your looking keep the feelers out there am sure something will come up.

I would say both times Ive bough Macs its taken months to find the right car!


Chrisatronic

267 posts

64 months

Does anyone know what’s up with the Philip Ireland car? It looks a decent spec/money to me but has sat there for months now.

Sarnie

6,953 posts

174 months

Tuesday
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Chrisatronic said:
Does anyone know what’s up with the Philip Ireland car? It looks a decent spec/money to me but has sat there for months now.
1) Lack of Carbon Interior. When I had mine, they were almost unsellable with the cheap silver plastic non carbon interiors.

2) Awful standard wheels. Almost all later wheels are so much better.

3) Almost zero carbon. No carbon wing mirrors, roof, front or rear diffuser, engine bay, interior, seat backs, wheel arches, wing mirror arms, air brake.

BURNIE

Original Poster:

1,104 posts

205 months

Yesterday (21:35)
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Sarnie said:
Chrisatronic said:
Does anyone know what’s up with the Philip Ireland car? It looks a decent spec/money to me but has sat there for months now.
1) Lack of Carbon Interior. When I had mine, they were almost unsellable with the cheap silver plastic non carbon interiors.

2) Awful standard wheels. Almost all later wheels are so much better.

3) Almost zero carbon. No carbon wing mirrors, roof, front or rear diffuser, engine bay, interior, seat backs, wheel arches, wing mirror arms, air brake.
Its funny I woukd of happily bought that until you guys in the know said about the missing carbon😔😂😂

HIS LM

1,131 posts

224 months

Yesterday (21:47)
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The Alastair Bols car has all the carbon but is £10k more - you pays your money you takes your choice !

Superleg48

1,291 posts

98 months

Yesterday (21:54)
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A driven car with a few miles will be a better car.

The obsession with carbon fibre on cars always fascinates me. Carbon fibre accoutrements have no functional benefit whatsoever, just an aesthetic effect more than anything and so much importance is placed on it by buyers, vanity at its ugliest. (I need to qualify this by saying that carbon fibre structural construction does have benefits, I am referring more to things like door mirrors, diffusers, sills, side strikes etc)

My car (not McLaren) is dripping in carbon fibre, but that is not why i bought it, nor was I aware of how dripping it was since I bought it without even seeing it in the flesh, (I did see some photos, but was “sold” without paying attention to how much carbon fibre it had), or driving it! Had it not been dripping in the stuff, I would still have bought it and I would still love everything about it.

So, if you are buying to keep, use and enjoy then a less than dripping in carbon fibre car may be a good option as will be a little bit cheaper. It will be just as fast and drive just as well. Unless carbon fibre is your thing….

davek_964

7,438 posts

140 months

My car has the interior carbon - which I think suits the car well - but nothing external. I'm not a fan of external carbon so didn't bother me, but according to some posts on here it does mean my car will be worthless if I want to sell it.

rkanaga

404 posts

185 months

Superleg48 said:
A driven car with a few miles will be a better car.

The obsession with carbon fibre on cars always fascinates me. Carbon fibre accoutrements have no functional benefit whatsoever, just an aesthetic effect more than anything and so much importance is placed on it by buyers, vanity at its ugliest. (I need to qualify this by saying that carbon fibre structural construction does have benefits, I am referring more to things like door mirrors, diffusers, sills, side strikes etc)

My car (not McLaren) is dripping in carbon fibre, but that is not why i bought it, nor was I aware of how dripping it was since I bought it without even seeing it in the flesh, (I did see some photos, but was “sold” without paying attention to how much carbon fibre it had), or driving it! Had it not been dripping in the stuff, I would still have bought it and I would still love everything about it.

So, if you are buying to keep, use and enjoy then a less than dripping in carbon fibre car may be a good option as will be a little bit cheaper. It will be just as fast and drive just as well. Unless carbon fibre is your thing….
This, I just don't get it, cosmetic CF dash trim is just garnish, you might as well have plastic and hydro dip it, cheaper, easier to repair and hardly any difference in weight. Structural CF is a different thing altogether. If you want understated then structural CF but painted with the weave still visible is the coolest option IMO (F40 clam?) (ETA by structural I really mean architectural, as most CF body panels are not stressed of course).


12pack

1,239 posts

133 months

I specifically chose to not have exterior CF on my 650s. I didn’t want to deal with additional costs in case of bumps/scratches.

Jim82

127 posts

27 months

Absolutely wasn’t an issue for me either. I really like the dark palladium finish as well.

macdeb

7,819 posts

220 months

Oh dear, mine has carbon everything, which is nice. Am I a bad person? wink

Edited by macdeb on Thursday 6th May 16:56

Streetbeat

55 posts

41 months

HIS LM said:
The Alastair Bols car has all the carbon but is £10k more - you pays your money you takes your choice !
Which for the op's benefit is significantly cheaper than trying to add at a later date.

Whilst it seems it might go against the grain with the above comments and recently purchasing a 570s, i wanted carbon and as much as possible, not because of vanity but because when i come to sell i know i am going to try to get kicked in the nuts on price if wasnt optioned. After looking for a while, the "lower" (note the inverted commas before i get flamed, its a turn of phrase only) spec cars were definitely cheaper and hanging around on the market, any "high" spec were sold quickly, so just giving myself the best possible chance of selling.

macdeb

7,819 posts

220 months

Streetbeat said:
HIS LM said:
The Alastair Bols car has all the carbon but is £10k more - you pays your money you takes your choice !
Which for the op's benefit is significantly cheaper than trying to add at a later date.

Whilst it seems it might go against the grain with the above comments and recently purchasing a 570s, i wanted carbon and as much as possible, not because of vanity but because when i come to sell i know i am going to try to get kicked in the nuts on price if wasnt optioned. After looking for a while, the "lower" (note the inverted commas before i get flamed, its a turn of phrase only) spec cars were definitely cheaper and hanging around on the market, any "high" spec were sold quickly, so just giving myself the best possible chance of selling.
Agreed yes

Superleg48

1,291 posts

98 months

macdeb said:
Streetbeat said:
HIS LM said:
The Alastair Bols car has all the carbon but is £10k more - you pays your money you takes your choice !
Which for the op's benefit is significantly cheaper than trying to add at a later date.

Whilst it seems it might go against the grain with the above comments and recently purchasing a 570s, i wanted carbon and as much as possible, not because of vanity but because when i come to sell i know i am going to try to get kicked in the nuts on price if wasnt optioned. After looking for a while, the "lower" (note the inverted commas before i get flamed, its a turn of phrase only) spec cars were definitely cheaper and hanging around on the market, any "high" spec were sold quickly, so just giving myself the best possible chance of selling.
Agreed yes
It is a self perpetuating thing. Still don’t understand it. Bit like the mad rush for bog roll at the first lockdown, didn’t understand that either. With CF it is just odd to attach so much importance to something that does nothing.

Paza3

172 posts

96 months

I absolutely love the carbon bits! different strokes for different folks as ever. For a buyer like myself it is a really big draw. I love the carbon door panel inserts or the sill entry points, looks so much nicer that matt black plastic which is the alternative.

From an observational point, it does seem to help in the resale game.

BURNIE

Original Poster:

1,104 posts

205 months

Well guys you have all really helped me and understand more about this wonderful Super Car, I'm now in the market and looking at 4 cars over the weekend, here is hoping my lovely wife can get in and be comfortable, she really was quite poorly a few years ago and still suffers from her oops.. 😳
So hopefully it's a lot smooth ride than the TVR. 😉😉🙄
Thanks and keep telling us, that have not been so lucky in owning one..