Mac Sceptic in 600LT Purchase shocker
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Justin is in Scotland
Re the dampers I'm pretty sure they can be refurbished. Are the dampers not like most magrides some variant of the original audi magrides?
This company might be worth a shot
https://nagengast.pl/en/about/
There's certainly no way you should need to change a damper just for a spring. Spring swap will be a very very easy DIY job.
Re the dampers I'm pretty sure they can be refurbished. Are the dampers not like most magrides some variant of the original audi magrides?
This company might be worth a shot
https://nagengast.pl/en/about/
There's certainly no way you should need to change a damper just for a spring. Spring swap will be a very very easy DIY job.
justin220 said:
The car is just coming up 5 year old. 14k miles
That's correct. Two broken springs means two new full damper assemblies
I think pretty much all of it would be non-warranty
I'll update my thread this weekend, to save hijacking this one, sorry OP!
The cracked springs/damper assembly was covered by the warranty on my 650.That's correct. Two broken springs means two new full damper assemblies
I think pretty much all of it would be non-warranty
I'll update my thread this weekend, to save hijacking this one, sorry OP!
Totally agree with OP. I bought a 600lt after a 991.1 GT3 and the 600 was quite simply a far superior car imo. You have to bear in mind the 600 is far more money brand new but not used. The GT products imo get so many good reviews and I get why, they are amazing cars but the mclarens for the same money and in most cases better money are far superior.
The main issue between the two are running costs. The GT3 you can warranty for 2 years for a couple of grand. The Macs are more like 3-4k a year and a warranty is a must imo. If you focus on pure driving and value for money you cant beat the Mac.
Amazing car.... enjoy
The main issue between the two are running costs. The GT3 you can warranty for 2 years for a couple of grand. The Macs are more like 3-4k a year and a warranty is a must imo. If you focus on pure driving and value for money you cant beat the Mac.
Amazing car.... enjoy
Yes the running costs are a factor but pound for pound a 600LT seems like a level or two above a GT3RS. I still find it impossible to understand that people will pay 100k more to have the new GT3...that's alot of warranty and running costs covered right there! McLaren (and Ferrari for that matter) don't seem to be bothered about setting laptimes around the Ring at all where as the Germans manufacturers are pretty obsessed by it and Porsche in particular use it as an important part of the marketing of their brand...this also maybe inflates the value of their GT products.
So I'll try and be semi diplomatic as the Porsche boys might send the ninja death squad round but I would urge you NOT to buy a 991 RS or any GT3. They are over priced and over rated IMHO. As for servicing and running costs the hidden costs in the Porsche are in the servicing. The service I had on the 911 was £1600 (previous equivalent service on a 458 was £1000) and it was only a basic service as far as I could tell. Not even plugs going in. Yes the overall costs are less than the 600 but what you have to drive is half of what you get in a 600. The 911 is a sportscar not a supercar even though the ridiculous pricing doesn't reflect it. I have come to the conclusion that Porsches are like Rolex the manufacturers put a decent product out nothing amazing but then they are masters of marketing and hype and that's what you have with a 911 RS its the Rolex Daytona of the automotive world. Oddly enough I'm more of an Omega man. They put ore into the actual watches so your spend is on the watch rather than the marketing and that's reflected in cars for me too.
I wouldn't say Was disappointed with the RS as such it was more that it just didn't reflect a 160k spend which for me is a huge amount of money. I think the RS would make sense at about 120 and the normal GT3s about 80. The GT4 is better on the road but again not a true great really. Its a 50 to 60k car really.
So 600 V 991 RS the Mclaren is a true supercar. Its far, far quicker. You get a carbon tub for gawds sake! The interior is better, It looks better (and I do still love Porsche looks!) This is the one that P guys will find hard to understand but he 600 exhaust sounds better! Bear with me here the 991 sounds awesome outside the car but its way too quiet inside. No pops and bangs or anything its just there. The 600 is loud MEGA bangs on the downshift and sounds great when you get up the revs. The gearbox is also better on the Mac as you get the throttle cut upshifts which is almost completely absent on the 991. Not needed as such but it just adds character.
On the Porsche positive list oddly the steering. Far better even though its electric. The rear steer helps turn in. I think that's really about it. Oh I suppose the other thing with a Porsche is there are more people to come along and buy it when you are done as there's always someone in the pipeline that's been dreaming about owning one and believes the hype. At the price point the 991s are just buy a 600 and save 25k for 5 year running costs. I think the 600 is probably more of a match for the GT2 but even then still has more character. In time I really think the 600 will be highly sought after. If a 675 is a pipe dream the 600 has to be most of one of those and because they made so many of them for now they are crazily underpriced.
I wouldn't say Was disappointed with the RS as such it was more that it just didn't reflect a 160k spend which for me is a huge amount of money. I think the RS would make sense at about 120 and the normal GT3s about 80. The GT4 is better on the road but again not a true great really. Its a 50 to 60k car really.
So 600 V 991 RS the Mclaren is a true supercar. Its far, far quicker. You get a carbon tub for gawds sake! The interior is better, It looks better (and I do still love Porsche looks!) This is the one that P guys will find hard to understand but he 600 exhaust sounds better! Bear with me here the 991 sounds awesome outside the car but its way too quiet inside. No pops and bangs or anything its just there. The 600 is loud MEGA bangs on the downshift and sounds great when you get up the revs. The gearbox is also better on the Mac as you get the throttle cut upshifts which is almost completely absent on the 991. Not needed as such but it just adds character.
On the Porsche positive list oddly the steering. Far better even though its electric. The rear steer helps turn in. I think that's really about it. Oh I suppose the other thing with a Porsche is there are more people to come along and buy it when you are done as there's always someone in the pipeline that's been dreaming about owning one and believes the hype. At the price point the 991s are just buy a 600 and save 25k for 5 year running costs. I think the 600 is probably more of a match for the GT2 but even then still has more character. In time I really think the 600 will be highly sought after. If a 675 is a pipe dream the 600 has to be most of one of those and because they made so many of them for now they are crazily underpriced.
Edited by fridaypassion on Saturday 6th August 09:02
If you want a little more noise and flames at night you can swap out your euro spec rear tail pipes for USA rest of the world spec tail pipes.
These have no valves in and no back box just the balance pipe between the two pipes, warranty friendly as it’s a genuine McLaren part, cost around £900 with VAT.
These have no valves in and no back box just the balance pipe between the two pipes, warranty friendly as it’s a genuine McLaren part, cost around £900 with VAT.
fridaypassion said:
Oh and on Mc Reliability let's just remember that almost all of Porsches cars have engines that blow up and they only did the engine warranty because Porsche club USA forced todo it!
Hey fp.So not to go off topic on your thread, I started another thread about warranties on LT models.
Hopefully it generates posts indicating how owners have got on with their LT's, and how relevant extending the warranty is based on their ownership experience, which can only be helpful for current and future owners.
I am now self warranting.
Enjoy yours in good health.
fridaypassion said:
So I'll try and be semi diplomatic as the Porsche boys might send the ninja death squad round but I would urge you NOT to buy a 991 RS or any GT3. They are over priced and over rated IMHO. As for servicing and running costs the hidden costs in the Porsche are in the servicing. The service I had on the 911 was £1600 (previous equivalent service on a 458 was £1000) and it was only a basic service as far as I could tell. Not even plugs going in. Yes the overall costs are less than the 600 but what you have to drive is half of what you get in a 600. The 911 is a sportscar not a supercar even though the ridiculous pricing doesn't reflect it. I have come to the conclusion that Porsches are like Rolex the manufacturers put a decent product out nothing amazing but then they are masters of marketing and hype and that's what you have with a 911 RS its the Rolex Daytona of the automotive world. Oddly enough I'm more of an Omega man. They put ore into the actual watches so your spend is on the watch rather than the marketing and that's reflected in cars for me too.
I wouldn't say Was disappointed with the RS as such it was more that it just didn't reflect a 160k spend which for me is a huge amount of money. I think the RS would make sense at about 120 and the normal GT3s about 80. The GT4 is better on the road but again not a true great really. Its a 50 to 60k car really.
So 600 V 991 RS the Mclaren is a true supercar. Its far, far quicker. You get a carbon tub for gawds sake! The interior is better, It looks better (and I do still love Porsche looks!) This is the one that P guys will find hard to understand but he 600 exhaust sounds better! Bear with me here the 991 sounds awesome outside the car but its way too quiet inside. No pops and bangs or anything its just there. The 600 is loud MEGA bangs on the downshift and sounds great when you get up the revs. The gearbox is also better on the Mac as you get the throttle cut upshifts which is almost completely absent on the 991. Not needed as such but it just adds character.
On the Porsche positive list oddly the steering. Far better even though its electric. The rear steer helps turn in. I think that's really about it. Oh I suppose the other thing with a Porsche is there are more people to come along and buy it when you are done as there's always someone in the pipeline that's been dreaming about owning one and believes the hype. At the price point the 991s are just buy a 600 and save 25k for 5 year running costs. I think the 600 is probably more of a match for the GT2 but even then still has more character. In time I really think the 600 will be highly sought after. If a 675 is a pipe dream the 600 has to be most of one of those and because they made so many of them for now they are crazily underpriced.
Anyone else find these posts pointless?I wouldn't say Was disappointed with the RS as such it was more that it just didn't reflect a 160k spend which for me is a huge amount of money. I think the RS would make sense at about 120 and the normal GT3s about 80. The GT4 is better on the road but again not a true great really. Its a 50 to 60k car really.
So 600 V 991 RS the Mclaren is a true supercar. Its far, far quicker. You get a carbon tub for gawds sake! The interior is better, It looks better (and I do still love Porsche looks!) This is the one that P guys will find hard to understand but he 600 exhaust sounds better! Bear with me here the 991 sounds awesome outside the car but its way too quiet inside. No pops and bangs or anything its just there. The 600 is loud MEGA bangs on the downshift and sounds great when you get up the revs. The gearbox is also better on the Mac as you get the throttle cut upshifts which is almost completely absent on the 991. Not needed as such but it just adds character.
On the Porsche positive list oddly the steering. Far better even though its electric. The rear steer helps turn in. I think that's really about it. Oh I suppose the other thing with a Porsche is there are more people to come along and buy it when you are done as there's always someone in the pipeline that's been dreaming about owning one and believes the hype. At the price point the 991s are just buy a 600 and save 25k for 5 year running costs. I think the 600 is probably more of a match for the GT2 but even then still has more character. In time I really think the 600 will be highly sought after. If a 675 is a pipe dream the 600 has to be most of one of those and because they made so many of them for now they are crazily underpriced.
Edited by fridaypassion on Saturday 6th August 09:02
People who are smart enough to make the money required to buy and run sports cars make choices.
Your humble opinion is different from there’s.
There’s more of them.
End of.
fridaypassion said:
I have come to the conclusion that Porsches are like Rolex
Fair assumption and i think it comes down to 3 simly words, supply and demand. Edited by fridaypassion on Saturday 6th August 09:02
Ironically there are way more 911 GT & RSs filling the classifieds than 600LT's, any Mclaren to be fair. I guess residuals help too, everyone feels they are a safe bet when it comes to resale and not doing your nut on depreciation.
Ferruccio said:
Anyone else find these posts pointless?
People who are smart enough to make the money required to buy and run sports cars make choices.
Your humble opinion is different from there’s.
There’s more of them.
End of.
No.People who are smart enough to make the money required to buy and run sports cars make choices.
Your humble opinion is different from there’s.
There’s more of them.
End of.
Its a clear comparison from an individual whom has owned both cars as apposed to an individual making a comparison when they have either owned only one, or in the case of so many internet experts, neither.
Ferruccio said:
Anyone else find these posts pointless?
People who are smart enough to make the money required to buy and run sports cars make choices.
Your humble opinion is different from there’s.
There’s more of them.
End of.
No - I find your post more useless. His post is very insightful. HTH.People who are smart enough to make the money required to buy and run sports cars make choices.
Your humble opinion is different from there’s.
There’s more of them.
End of.
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