Anyone have an outlook for old Sports Series range?

[Davyt]

GT4RS said:

Common practice with the lower end supposedly prestige car dealers.

Really weird way of thinking, just makes me think NO fk off !

[Streetbeat]

Davyt said:

Now this fellas after a good Christmas by the looks, just increased the price by £10K !!! I mean you just wouldn’t would you ??.

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202210060...


Sorry ,, increased by £12K forgot it had been lower a couple of £K just a few days ago, should stick it back on CC to see what he gets for it..

Edited by Davyt on Wednesday 23 November 18:58

Maybe he has had a few low ball offers and bumped the price to distract from chancers?

[Davyt]

Streetbeat said:

Maybe he has had a few low ball offers and bumped the price to distract from chancers?

So how much you been offering ?? Give him his money back £127K ??

[Streetbeat]

I woulnt buy it @ £127k, let alone more, not to my liking at all!

[Davyt]

Streetbeat said:

I woulnt buy it @ £127k, let alone more, not to my liking at all!

Seem to remember the seller listing a few issues with it when on CC,, amazingly (67) 720s for sale on AT, must be some sort of record

[fridaypassion]

Matty3 said:

Thanks for clarifying.

So presumably out of the selling price the third party will get a Fee?

Edited by Matty3 on Thursday 24th November 09:37

I would guess so!

[samoht]

I've noticed a couple of cars which were previously listed by dealers, disappeared, and have now re-appeared as private sales at lower asking prices. Presumably they were offered SOR, and have now ended up on the 'R' part of the acronym.

samoht said:

Back to prices; the following cars seem to have disappeared from AT since this Monday:
...
570S for £98,990 2019 on 17,000 miles, last sighted on 2022-11-08 at Prestige Cars pic
...

Now offered privately for £95k https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202211191...

samoht said:

This week's update as requested, changes since Saturday 12th

Sold Cars
...
570GT for £91,990 2016 on 17,000 miles at The Auto Lounge Limited pic
...

Now offered privately for £86.5k https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202211221...

Not drawing any conclusions, just posting as a kind of 'correction' to the previous assumption that they had sold.

[BlackR8]

Gibbo205 said:

Davyt said:

I hope whoever bought it is fully aware of these issue, to say the sellers agents comments are misleading is an understatement , doesn’t look good on CC either selling cars such as this one on their site,

Who knows, they might be and feel the 20-30k discount compared to rest of market covers their risk.
They may not and be very upset and even more upset if they cannot get their 6k back from CC.


The problem is people see an auction and bid on it, they win and feel they got a great deal.
But if I they see the car advertised say on AT or PH say at 129k then alarm bells are ringing as to why its 20-30k below rest of market.

Unless I am doing something wrong, I can't seem to find the McLaren 600LT in the SOLD section of CollectingCars. Perhaps the buyer learnt more about the car and pulled out of the sale? or it is infact sold but CC don't want their reputation tarnished knowing they have been selling cars like this on their website?

[Gibbo205]

Hi there

As there is quite a bit negativity around the brand I thought I'd share my positive example this morning.

Gave Mclaren Manchester a call a couple of weeks ago about my 600 LT Spider having an in cabin resonance when the roof was up which to me sounded like a heatshield come lose in the engine bay and also mentioned the front arch liner had come loose.

They collected the car end of last week and then prompty got it on their ramps:



Picture service manager sent me on whatsapp.

They confirmed the heatshield was loose and an undertray slightly out of position. They ordered the parts in and correct these, they fixed the arch liner and then gave the car a health check along with pressure testing the coolant system and checking all the hoses and clamps looked in good condition, all passed.

Car returned to me this morning, all hassle free, all free of charge and even a box of mints put in the car.

Amazing service by Mclaren Manchester and Sam their service guy really is a superstar, Praise when praise is due and all that!

[Davyt]

BlackR8 said:

Unless I am doing something wrong, I can't seem to find the McLaren 600LT in the SOLD section of CollectingCars. Perhaps the buyer learnt more about the car and pulled out of the sale? or it is infact sold but CC don't want their reputation tarnished knowing they have been selling cars like this on their website?

Yes it’s mysteriously vanished without a trace..

[TBCReece]

Gibbo205 said:

Hi there

As there is quite a bit negativity around the brand I thought I'd share my positive example this morning.

Amazing service by Mclaren Manchester and Sam their service guy really is a superstar, Praise when praise is due and all that!

It's good to read these types of posts - all too easy to post negative stuff and over the last couple of years I've seen videos less than complementary of McManchester.

Considering the 675LT thread that was deleted earlier this week, does seem to be good and not-so good dealers but you get that with every brand I guess.

[samoht]

BlackR8 said:

Unless I am doing something wrong, I can't seem to find the McLaren 600LT in the SOLD section of CollectingCars. Perhaps the buyer learnt more about the car and pulled out of the sale? or it is infact sold but CC don't want their reputation tarnished knowing they have been selling cars like this on their website?

While the listing isn't browseable, the page is still up at the original URL as quoted below:

Davyt said:

Keep your eye on the “no reserve” 600LT Spider on CC, it’s been enjoyed with the front end looking a bit peppered, be interesting to see what the hammer goes down at ??
https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2019-mclaren-6...

The page shows Ended/Unsold, but the page markup still has 'pricesold' of £115k. So presumably after the auction ended, the winning bidder declined to go through with the purchase for whatever reason.

[PinkHouse]

samoht said:

The page shows Ended/Unsold, but the page markup still has 'pricesold' of £115k. So presumably after the auction ended, the winning bidder declined to go through with the purchase for whatever reason.

Did you have any more info on the 78.5k 570GT at Sytner select being the cheapest on sale?

[Streetbeat]

Gibbo205 said:

Hi there

As there is quite a bit negativity around the brand I thought I'd share my positive example this morning.

I think the vast majority of owners have a positive experience, i certainly cant fault Mc NewForest at all on the service they provided, absoultely impeccable in my mind.

Most of the negativity is from non owners who heard it from a mates next door neighbours postman, or clickbait chanells like Jayemm, sure his pals didnt get a good experience by the sounds of it, but, it doesnt represent the majority.

Thats the trouble with todays society, the minorities want to shout so loudly about every little thing they dont like about the world.

[andymc]

Streetbeat said:

Gibbo205 said:

Hi there

As there is quite a bit negativity around the brand I thought I'd share my positive example this morning.

I think the vast majority of owners have a positive experience, i certainly cant fault Mc NewForest at all on the service they provided, absoultely impeccable in my mind.

Most of the negativity is from non owners who heard it from a mates next door neighbours postman, or clickbait chanells like Jayemm, sure his pals didnt get a good experience by the sounds of it, but, it doesnt represent the majority.

Thats the trouble with todays society, the minorities want to shout so loudly about every little thing they dont like about the world.

too true, I am quite happy just looking at mine

[ex-devonpaul]

Streetbeat said:

Thats the trouble with todays society, the minorities want to shout so loudly about every little thing they dont like about the world.

I think it is the Internet that causes half the problems - so much easier to vent on Social media and find other people's venting.


We must be the luckiest car owners in the world, we took a MR2 roadster to 100k and it didn't eat it's precats, ran a Maserati Gransport for 6 years without needing a recovery truck, put 6 figure mileage on a manual Diesel with no DMF failure, and have had a Z4M for 5 years that hasn't eaten it's rod bearings or VANOS or spat us backwards into a hedge.

Still don't feel lucky enough to risk McLaren's paint quality though

[Streetbeat]

ex-devonpaul said:

I think it is the Internet that causes half the problems - so much easier to vent on Social media and find other people's venting.


We must be the luckiest car owners in the world, we took a MR2 roadster to 100k and it didn't eat it's precats, ran a Maserati Gransport for 6 years without needing a recovery truck, put 6 figure mileage on a manual Diesel with no DMF failure, and have had a Z4M for 5 years that hasn't eaten it's rod bearings or VANOS or spat us backwards into a hedge.

Still don't feel lucky enough to risk McLaren's paint quality though

I know its unacceptable, but, its really not enough to put me off such an incredible drive.

[samoht]

PinkHouse said:

Did you have any more info on the 78.5k 570GT at Sytner select being the cheapest on sale?

Sorry, nothing more than what I already wrote, I don't have any insider information I'm afraid; it's listed on PH but not on AT so no obvious way of knowing its listing history.

[samoht]

Sports Series weekly market update since Sat 19th:

14 cars sold and 20 new listings on AT, so still more cars coming to market than taken off although 3:2 rather than 3:1 last week. As above, two of the 'new' listings are private sales that were previously listed (presumably SOR) at dealers; one sold car was previously 'sold' so presumably re-listed.

Of the six 570S coupes sold, four are in the £90-93k bracket. One of the two £100k+ cars is the Vega Blue 2019 mode that Streetbeat picked out last week, so obviously he's in tune with the market. I can't explain why the 14k mile 2017 model at Brookspeed was worth £105k to someone, unless they really like the factory aero parts it had.

Two Spiders sold at £105k, almost the cheapest available, plus a 2020 car at £115k (Dick Lovett). 600LTs again two towards the lower end of the price range.

Two 570GTs sold, both later ceramic-braked cars listed over £100k. And apparently someone paid £100k for a white 2019 540C.

Price reductions across the board; biggest drop is £10k off the blue Spider at George Kingsley, but was well overpriced at £135k previously. I do think the 570 Spider market has slid down a touch, unsurprisingly.

My car of the week is an example of this, a nicely specced 2017 Spider reduced to £105k on 20k miles (click for ad):


Another interesting car: a 540C on 55,000 miles - seems v poor value to me, like most 540Cs, but proof these cars can take miles.

Overall I'd say sellers seem to outnumber buyers, so if you want to sell then your car needs to represent good value relative to the rest of the market, and the trend seems likely gradually downwards as we head into the Christmas period.

(Expand for Sold, New and Reduced listings)

Sold Cars (14) (assumed sold as ad pulled from AT)

570S for £89,850 2016 on 16,134 miles at McLaren Birmingham pic
570S for £89,950 2016 on 17,500 miles at Tom Hartley pic
570S for £91,995 2016 on 19,650 miles at Anthony James Cars Ltd pic
570S for £92,990 2017 on - miles at SCUDERIA PRESTIGE AUTOMOBILE LTD pic
570S for £104,950 2017 on 14,484 miles at Brookspeed pic
570S for £109,990 2019 on 9,989 miles at McLaren Glasgow pic
570S Spider for £104,949 2018 on 11,900 miles at Private seller pic
570S Spider for £104,950 2018 on 7,000 miles at Dap Cars Ltd pic
570S Spider for £114,990 2020 on 8,897 miles at Dick Lovett Specialist Cars pic
570GT for £107,995 2019 on 11,500 miles at Polo Prestige pic
570GT for £109,900 2018 on 7,990 miles at Grange Mclaren Hatfield pic
600LT for £131,950 2018 on 11,750 miles at ALASTAIR BOLS LIMITED pic
600LT for £142,990 2018 on 9,342 miles at McLaren Glasgow pic
540C for £99,990 2019 on 6,000 miles at Autocentre (U.K.) Limited pic

New Listings (20)

570S for £89,000 2017 on 16,700 miles at Mclaren Manchester ad
570S for £89,950 2016 on 14,400 miles at McLaren New Forest ad
570S for £94,995 2019 on 19,000 miles at Private seller ad
570S for £97,900 2018 on 5,424 miles at Gve London Ltd ad
570S for £102,850 2018 on 8,671 miles at McLaren Birmingham ad
570S for £104,900 2018 on 12,645 miles at Grange Mclaren Hatfield ad
570S for £127,950 2020 on 2,840 miles at Hendy Performance Poole ad
570S Spider for £107,995 2018 on 12,000 miles at LEE GAME PRESTIGE LTD ad
570S Spider for £110,000 2018 on 17,000 miles at Private seller ad
570S Spider for £112,900 2017 on 9,870 miles at Grange Mclaren Hatfield ad
570S Spider for £116,950 2018 on 9,852 miles at Mclaren Ascot ad
570S Spider for £118,000 2019 on 7,300 miles at Private seller ad
570GT for £85,000 2017 on 16,000 miles at Private seller ad
570GT for £86,500 2016 on 18,000 miles at Private seller ad
570GT for £99,995 2017 on 3,500 miles at DMB Collection ad
570GT for £112,990 2019 on 14,863 miles at McLaren Leeds ad
600LT for £139,990 2018 on 9,412 miles at McLaren Glasgow ad
600LT for £142,990 2019 on 303 miles at McLaren Glasgow ad
540C for £82,995 2018 on 33,600 miles at Ellis Ashton Motor Company ad
540C for £94,850 2018 on 19,000 miles at 442 Sports Cars ad

Price Reductions (18)

570S reduced from £83,500 to £81,995 2015 on 16,500 miles at Private seller ad
570S reduced from £83,495 to £82,495 2018 on 27,000 miles at Veloce Auto ad
570S reduced from £91,995 to £89,995 2017 on 13,000 miles at Kaim Park Garage ad
570S reduced from £109,995 to £106,995 2019 on 5,000 miles at A-Group ad
570S Spider reduced from £106,990 to £104,940 2018 on 20,000 miles at Steel City Sports And Prestige ad
570S Spider reduced from £109,990 to £107,990 2019 on 26,351 miles at McLaren Glasgow ad
570S Spider reduced from £112,999 to £109,999 2018 on 12,300 miles at Phoenix RC Limited ad
570S Spider reduced from £122,950 to £121,950 2020 on 10,562 miles at Mclaren London ad
570S Spider reduced from £134,996 to £124,996 2018 on 11,557 miles at George Kingsley Prestige & Performance ad
570GT reduced from £82,495 to £81,995 2017 on 27,000 miles at Veloce Auto ad
570GT reduced from £92,950 to £89,950 2017 on 10,250 miles at McLaren New Forest ad
570GT reduced from £94,995 to £92,995 2017 on 10,300 miles at Romans Of St Albans ad
570GT reduced from £97,650 to £96,750 2019 on 31,000 miles at FTC Prestige & Performance Cars ad
570GT reduced from £112,990 to £109,990 2020 on 14,066 miles at McLaren Glasgow ad
600LT reduced from £144,945 to £139,945 2019 on 11,000 miles at Pescara ad
600LT reduced from £144,950 to £139,950 2019 on 7,168 miles at Romans International ad
540C reduced from £87,995 to £84,995 2017 on 24,700 miles at Romans Of St Albans ad
540C reduced from £90,480 to £87,980 2017 on 14,000 miles at Auto100.Co.Uk ad


Not sure if I'll keep doing this, it can be time consuming trying to unwind re-listed cars etc and seems like mostly a re-statement of the obvious, good value cars sell, poor value ones don't

[DRZ]

I know the yellow car at Steel City - looks absolutely fantastic in the pictures but like so many McLaren cars it looks even better in the flesh. Sicilian Yellow instead of Volcano might make you think it doesn't pop but it does.