Anyone have an outlook for old Sports Series range?

Anyone have an outlook for old Sports Series range?

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Brett3

1,169 posts

83 months

Tuesday 28th March 2023
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samoht said:
Being 3,500 miles & with the Senna seats and a good colour, I reckon if advertised by a dealer maybe £145-150k asking price.

Of course whatever it goes for on CC, need to add £7200 on top for the actual price.
Takes a brave Mac owner to go with CC, they never seem to make their market value - or do they?? - just been watching the rather nice 2020 Mac GT run out of bids at £95.5k + fees. Presume it didnt achieve reserve?

PinkHouse

791 posts

56 months

Tuesday 28th March 2023
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Brett3 said:
samoht said:
Being 3,500 miles & with the Senna seats and a good colour, I reckon if advertised by a dealer maybe £145-150k asking price.

Of course whatever it goes for on CC, need to add £7200 on top for the actual price.
Takes a brave Mac owner to go with CC, they never seem to make their market value - or do they?? - just been watching the rather nice 2020 Mac GT run out of bids at £95.5k + fees. Presume it didnt achieve reserve?
There was another GT advertised at £115k at a main dealer which recently sold, probably for less than that as it had been reduced a couple of times. The cheapest private sale is up for under £113k so I can imagine the CC reserve would have been around £105k to take into account the fees on top for the buyer. While that may seem low, general feedback is that CC pressures sellers to set aggressive reserve prices to have a higher chance of a sale

PinkHouse

791 posts

56 months

Tuesday 28th March 2023
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samoht said:
Being 3,500 miles & with the Senna seats and a good colour, I reckon if advertised by a dealer maybe £145-150k asking price.

Of course whatever it goes for on CC, need to add £7200 on top for the actual price.
Random question but just curious as to whether you ever considered stretching to a GT when you were searching for your 570GT?

samoht

5,633 posts

145 months

Tuesday 28th March 2023
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PinkHouse said:
Random question but just curious as to whether you ever considered stretching to a GT when you were searching for your 570GT?
I didn't. To be honest I see it as more expensive (for the same year/mileage), bigger, heavier and less appealing to look at. That's four solid downsides, and I can't see any meaningful upsides in exchange that would bring it into my consideration. (No offence to GT owners!)


My real considerations were 570S Coupe, 570GT and 650S Spider because they were all in the 100k budget. Cars I considered stretching for, and didn't, were the 570S Spider and 600LT Coupe.

I decided not to stretch the budget because I was already scared of the running costs, so no LT. There were a few attractive 570S Spiders in budget, but I decided against on the grounds of one less thing to go wrong, looks (uninterrupted roofline) and luggage space for touring. Perception of running costs, and a feeling that the Sports Series emphasised fun over speed vs the Super Series, led me to lean away from the 650. Then between the 570S Coupe and 570GT I was finely poised, but eventually the good looks of the latter car won me over into that camp, as I like the glass fastback a lot more than the slightly fussy engine cover on the S (albeit the rest of the car is the same).

PinkHouse

791 posts

56 months

Tuesday 28th March 2023
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samoht said:
I didn't. To be honest I see it as more expensive (for the same year/mileage), bigger, heavier and less appealing to look at. That's four solid downsides, and I can't see any meaningful upsides in exchange that would bring it into my consideration. (No offence to GT owners!)


My real considerations were 570S Coupe, 570GT and 650S Spider because they were all in the 100k budget. Cars I considered stretching for, and didn't, were the 570S Spider and 600LT Coupe.

I decided not to stretch the budget because I was already scared of the running costs, so no LT. There were a few attractive 570S Spiders in budget, but I decided against on the grounds of one less thing to go wrong, looks (uninterrupted roofline) and luggage space for touring. Perception of running costs, and a feeling that the Sports Series emphasised fun over speed vs the Super Series, led me to lean away from the 650. Then between the 570S Coupe and 570GT I was finely poised, but eventually the good looks of the latter car won me over into that camp, as I like the glass fastback a lot more than the slightly fussy engine cover on the S (albeit the rest of the car is the same).
Thanks for the in-depth response, all makes a lot of sense. I hadn't actually considered the worse power to weight ratio despite the uplift in power. I think the GT looks better on the inside and the rear view, the front is less convincing and I'm surprised they haven't given it a minor facelift similar to 12c to 650s. I test drove a 570GT when I was looking and the performance was epic although sound was slight muted coming from a 410 Exige, did they ever offer the MSO Titanium exhaust as an option on the 570GT?

DRZ

163 posts

151 months

Tuesday 28th March 2023
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There's 32Kg between them but 50bhp more, using McLaren's own figures for both cars. The GT is not worse power/weight wise, nor is it appreciably heavier. It is almost a full second faster 0-200kph...

The GT is, however, a much better car in a lot of ways, particularly inside... Looks are subjective, but based on looks alone I'd personally never buy a 570 of any type.

Brett3

1,169 posts

83 months

Tuesday 28th March 2023
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Its all subjective, dealer gave me a GT whilst the 570 was in for service. Couldnt get on with it at all and thought what was the point of it? Was pleased to pick back up the 570.

Sales and residual values seem to support my view. Shame..

WakeFlakes

104 posts

66 months

Wednesday 29th March 2023
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PinkHouse said:
Random question but just curious as to whether you ever considered stretching to a GT when you were searching for your 570GT?
As someone who has recently bought a 570GT (not collected though yet!) I never really considered the GT for a lot of the same reasons as samoht. The looks being the main thing and the price secondary, if I was going to spend a little bit extra then it would have been a 570S spider. I saw a couple of GTs when looking around for my 570GT but it just didn’t seem to work for me in the flesh.

Grey_Area

3,961 posts

252 months

Wednesday 29th March 2023
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did they ever offer the MSO Titanium exhaust as an option on the 570GT?
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They still do; it’s a £4.3k dealer fitted option.

davek_964

8,796 posts

174 months

Wednesday 29th March 2023
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Brett3 said:
Its all subjective, dealer gave me a GT whilst the 570 was in for service. Couldnt get on with it at all and thought what was the point of it? Was pleased to pick back up the 570.

Sales and residual values seem to support my view. Shame..
I will acknowledge that I've never driven one - or even sat in one. But :

The "what's the point" has always been my view of the GT. I guess it does have a bit more luggage space - but one of the plus points about McLaren's are that they are soooooo useable every day if you want them to be. My previous 650 was 90% my daily driver and (apart from mpg around town) was probably the best daily car I've had - it was so easy to drive.
Hence an "everyday" model always seemed a bit of an anomaly to me.

Gibbo205

3,527 posts

206 months

Wednesday 29th March 2023
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Davyt said:
Most people sell through a dealer on SOR so generally not many for sale private, plus when they are there’s not any difference in the price, I ended up going the franchise dealer route like a lot of guys
Not strictly true, but depends on the individual selling.

Trade on these cars is a good 10-20k lower than what Mclaren retails them at, so if a car has a retail value of 155k, Mclaren is probably buying around 135k, as such if you know a private individual thinking of selling and they are fair and reasonable offer them 10k more than trade, but save 10k by not buying retail.

Problem is a lot of private individuals live in dream land and think they can charge the same as a dealership, the reality is a private individual cannot offer you the perks and advantages of buying from Mclaren directly, as such if one is been fair the car should be cheaper.

It is how I purchased my car, the owner knew the trade value, we both knew the retail price and as such we met in the middle, which is as fair as things can get. smile

So yeah I missed out on a free trip to Woking due to not buying from Mclaren but car had manufacturers warranty and I've since formed a strong relationship with MC Manchester. smile

So I fully get people posting asking members thinking of selling to contact them because if car is under warranty and they are happy to take a fair price then both parties are quids in.

Purso

859 posts

101 months

Wednesday 29th March 2023
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Regarding collecting cars, its a popular auction site but not indictive of an open market price as you have no protection once purchased barring any transferable warranty, ontop of this it is difficult to finance a car purchased through collecting cars which most of these cars are purchased with. Therefore its closer to a trade price, you will sometimes see cars bought by traders via cc retailed as they purchased with enough of a margin.

Davyt

560 posts

17 months

Wednesday 29th March 2023
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Gibbo205 said:
Not strictly true, but depends on the individual selling.

Trade on these cars is a good 10-20k lower than what Mclaren retails them at, so if a car has a retail value of 155k, Mclaren is probably buying around 135k, as such if you know a private individual thinking of selling and they are fair and reasonable offer them 10k more than trade, but save 10k by not buying retail.

Problem is a lot of private individuals live in dream land and think they can charge the same as a dealership, the reality is a private individual cannot offer you the perks and advantages of buying from Mclaren directly, as such if one is been fair the car should be cheaper.

It is how I purchased my car, the owner knew the trade value, we both knew the retail price and as such we met in the middle, which is as fair as things can get. smile

So yeah I missed out on a free trip to Woking due to not buying from Mclaren but car had manufacturers warranty and I've since formed a strong relationship with MC Manchester. smile

So I fully get people posting asking members thinking of selling to contact them because if car is under warranty and they are happy to take a fair price then both parties are quids in.
I think you got lucky Gibbo, that’s how I envisaged myself making a purchase but after a few months of looking nothing came up, so even though I was a cash buyer I still ended up going the franchise dealer route,, even then though I don’t think anyone would want to part with a 2 1/2 year old 600lt for £10K less than dealer price ( would need to be £130K)

Mwn11

118 posts

66 months

Wednesday 29th March 2023
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Just been looking into these a little more before ultimately making a decision on which way to go.

Can anyone explain the difference between

"Paint ‘Defect’ Warranty - 3 Year

Paint ‘Oxidisation’ Warranty - 5 Years

Perforation Warranty - 10 Years."

I have seen quoted.

Eg if you buy a 570 and it starts suffering from corrosion what determines oxidisation vs perforation? I could find anything concrete for the UK online.

samoht

5,633 posts

145 months

Wednesday 29th March 2023
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Mwn11 said:
Just been looking into these a little more before ultimately making a decision on which way to go.

Can anyone explain the difference between

"Paint ‘Defect’ Warranty - 3 Year

Paint ‘Oxidisation’ Warranty - 5 Years

Perforation Warranty - 10 Years."

I have seen quoted.

Eg if you buy a 570 and it starts suffering from corrosion what determines oxidisation vs perforation? I could find anything concrete for the UK online.
With a steel body, once it starts rusting it won't stop (because the rust, iron oxide, lets more water and air through to keep reacting with the good metal underneath). Eventually you'll get an actual hole in the panel or body structure.



Perforation means a hole, so the car is warrantied against this happening for ten years.

However I don't think there are really any parts of the bodywork made of steel, so this is pretty much irrelevant.

With the aluminium body panels, when the metal surface starts oxidising the aluminium oxide forms a barrier, so the surface oxidises but no more. It will never be oxidised away to the point that a hole is formed in the panel.



McLarens have a known problem where there is an oxidation reaction at the metal surface, under the paint. This will never result in a hole in the panel (perforation), but it does create bubbling in the paint. This is the oxidation which is covered for five years from new. It isn't covered by the McLaren extended warranty.


mOrtt

397 posts

151 months

Wednesday 29th March 2023
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Mwn11 said:
Just been looking into these a little more before ultimately making a decision on which way to go.

Can anyone explain the difference between

"Paint ‘Defect’ Warranty - 3 Year

Paint ‘Oxidisation’ Warranty - 5 Years

Perforation Warranty - 10 Years."

I have seen quoted.

Eg if you buy a 570 and it starts suffering from corrosion what determines oxidisation vs perforation? I could find anything concrete for the UK online.
Quick answer; after 5 years you're paying for paint issues biggrin

Mwn11

118 posts

66 months

Wednesday 29th March 2023
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Cheers guys that helps!

Guessing this changed somewhere as I saw the Thorney video saying 10 years and was having panels replaced on a 12C?

samoht

5,633 posts

145 months

Thursday 30th March 2023
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I understand that previously they were replacing/respraying panels with paint corrosion for free on all cars, and sometime around 2020 when McLaren nearly went bust, that changed to cars up to five years old only. But I don't have a source for that.

justin220

5,331 posts

203 months

Thursday 30th March 2023
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PinkHouse said:
justin220 said:
PinkHouse said:
Low mileage 600LT on CC. Could be an accurate barometer of where the market is now
https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2019-mclaren-6...
That's absolutely stunning!
Agreed! Have you decided on whether you'll be moving on from your 540 this year and if so would you try CC?
CC is definitely not for me. I'd honestly rather PX it and pay the premium (of a lesser sale value) there.. I think though I'll try and advertise it privately first and see how that goes.

I need to get a few bits sorted on the car before deciding though, tyres, air con etc. If I'm putting it up for sale it will be all sorted and ready for the next owner.

Penrhyn

658 posts

97 months

Friday 31st March 2023
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Justin220 yep that’s the way to sell privately. Get the car in tip top condition so that when a buyer arrives they will have no way of undermining yourself or your car.

It’s a physiological thing, but it does work. Area of concern has to be the underside, think there is a clear rust prevention spray from Bilt Hamber , that way protected but viewable as rust/corrosion free.