600 LT's with carbon louvred wings yet no carbon exterior?
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tyrrell said:
The MSO black pack was just marketed as a black pack, lots of the later cars had this fitted. We all assume that it’s painted carbon fibre underneath, until someone proves otherwise.
I love the Napier Green car at Mcforest, it’s my favourite McLaren colour so I am biased.
Is a nice car but the brakes look a bit rough from the photos and it’s quite expensive considering the miles.I love the Napier Green car at Mcforest, it’s my favourite McLaren colour so I am biased.
The car they also have with 17k miles brakes look in far better condition.
Yes it may have, but it’s up on the miles and has electric comfort seats in a 600Lt and no visual carbon.
Now let’s be honest it’s still a 600Lt spider and a magnificent car in its own right, for some people comfort seats will be what they are looking for and make the car accessible for them.
The price its up for reflects its spec colour and mileage as with all these cars you pays your money & makes your choice.
Now let’s be honest it’s still a 600Lt spider and a magnificent car in its own right, for some people comfort seats will be what they are looking for and make the car accessible for them.
The price its up for reflects its spec colour and mileage as with all these cars you pays your money & makes your choice.
Edited by tyrrell on Tuesday 30th August 23:18
Gibbo205 said:
BlackR8 said:
The brake discs point is an interesting one. I have seen many McLarens with very low mileage having discs which look pretty worn to the eye (dull inconsistent appearance and a very rough looking surface) Vs say Porsche or Lamborghini CCBs which always seem to have a shiny smooth appearance despite higher miles. Is this just a manufacturer thing where one brand CCBs shows wear different to others?
McLaren New Forest have three cars:Red Spider comfort pack with 17k miles - the brakes look new and they confirm they sold this car new to its current owner and has done no track work to their knowledge, the brake condition would seem to confirm this, looks a superb condition car and is very well priced due to high miles but most likely easy miles.
The orange spider they have I tracked down it’s original owner who confirmed track use and the brakes on this car look heavily worn and it’s done less miles at 12k
The green car at 9k miles and a whopping 175k brakes look a little worn so maybe some track miles.
It seems the brakes wear quick with track work but are fine with road driving, as McLaren will charge you around 20k for new brakes it seems a big area of caution they should be smooth and not pitted if in good condition. If they are rough and appear pitted they are more worn so either avoid or use to get
Price down or new brakes fitted as part of the deal.
Anyone considering track work should maybe consider steel options or a set of surface transforms.
tyrrell said:
The MSO black pack was just marketed as a black pack, lots of the later cars had this fitted. We all assume that it’s painted carbon fibre underneath, until someone proves otherwise.
I love the Napier Green car at Mcforest, it’s my favourite McLaren colour so I am biased.
For the 600LT, the “Palladium” or “Black pack” parts are all painted carbon fibre. I love the Napier Green car at Mcforest, it’s my favourite McLaren colour so I am biased.
To save weight the 600LT has extended use of carbon fibre over composite materials versus the 570S.
I think even the doors are carbon fibre and the roof for the spyder.
Therefore a lot of owners who spec’d from new did not necessarily go for visual CF as unlike other models the 600LT parts are already CF, visual or not.
RBT0 said:
I’d say cars with carbon fender louvres but no carbon packs smell wrong.
Who on earth would not spec carbon packs but then spec fenders?
There were no constraints in terms of spec, so either cars built by McLaren with run out parts or odd part swap or stupid customer spec (sorry not sorry).
I’d watch out for long term resell value for these….
Interesting to note as well I haven’t seen a whatever orange car for sale for ages…..
Who’s got it keeps it? Me included?
I don’t agree. Who on earth would not spec carbon packs but then spec fenders?
There were no constraints in terms of spec, so either cars built by McLaren with run out parts or odd part swap or stupid customer spec (sorry not sorry).
I’d watch out for long term resell value for these….
Interesting to note as well I haven’t seen a whatever orange car for sale for ages…..
Who’s got it keeps it? Me included?
I know manufacturers have been pushing / marketing visual carbon fibre heavily as it makes them a lot of extra money, but a lot of (“old school”?) people do not prefer visual carbon fibre - remember the original owner would have been spec’ing the car to their tastes, not for you or second guessing second hand buyers.
Also from experience Mclaren are far less aggressive than say Ferrari sales. Mclaren let’s you spec as you please, Ferrari impose minimum amount of extra options.
Gibbo205 said:
...as McLaren will charge you around 20k for new brakes...
Have you had that price confirmed by McLaren?When I bought my 650, I also believed a set of brakes would cost me about £20k. However, I needed rear pads at the last service which were about £550 parts and £850 fitted. Guildford told me that had just done all pads and discs on a 675 for £10k, and a 650 would probably come in about £6k.
I don't know the cost of 600LT brakes but I'd be surprised if they were double the cost of 675LT brakes. Obviously it's still a fair chunk of cash, but I'm not convinced it's £20k in reality.
r o n n i e said:
I don’t agree.
I know manufacturers have been pushing / marketing visual carbon fibre heavily as it makes them a lot of extra money, but a lot of (“old school”?) people do not prefer visual carbon fibre - remember the original owner would have been spec’ing the car to their tastes, not for you or second guessing second hand buyers.
Also from experience Mclaren are far less aggressive than say Ferrari sales. Mclaren let’s you spec as you please, Ferrari impose minimum amount of extra options.
agree, not really a fan of (too much) unpainted carbon - makes cars look disjointed to my eye I know manufacturers have been pushing / marketing visual carbon fibre heavily as it makes them a lot of extra money, but a lot of (“old school”?) people do not prefer visual carbon fibre - remember the original owner would have been spec’ing the car to their tastes, not for you or second guessing second hand buyers.
Also from experience Mclaren are far less aggressive than say Ferrari sales. Mclaren let’s you spec as you please, Ferrari impose minimum amount of extra options.
Sarnie said:
MDL111 said:
agree, not really a fan of (too much) unpainted carbon - makes cars look disjointed to my eye
Me neither, the price is eyewatering too.......I'd much rather spend the money on things on MSO paint, seats, Club Sport packs etc.....For the non LT cars you pay the extra to upgrade the composite parts to lighter / stronger CF.
davek_964 said:
Have you had that price confirmed by McLaren?
When I bought my 650, I also believed a set of brakes would cost me about £20k. However, I needed rear pads at the last service which were about £550 parts and £850 fitted. Guildford told me that had just done all pads and discs on a 675 for £10k, and a 650 would probably come in about £6k.
I don't know the cost of 600LT brakes but I'd be surprised if they were double the cost of 675LT brakes. Obviously it's still a fair chunk of cash, but I'm not convinced it's £20k in reality.
A set of new ceramic disc on Ebay from Mclaren is £13,000, having other cars with ceramics they are typically £4000-7000 a pair before discount, as such your dealer is either very kind or has miss-informed you. I know a 600 LT owner who needed new front disc, pads all round and new front suspension struts and the bill from Mclaren was £27,000, after several complaints due to the failure not been his fault but that of failed sensors I believe in the end Mclaren paid nearly 2/3 of the bill leaving him owing £13.000.When I bought my 650, I also believed a set of brakes would cost me about £20k. However, I needed rear pads at the last service which were about £550 parts and £850 fitted. Guildford told me that had just done all pads and discs on a 675 for £10k, and a 650 would probably come in about £6k.
I don't know the cost of 600LT brakes but I'd be surprised if they were double the cost of 675LT brakes. Obviously it's still a fair chunk of cash, but I'm not convinced it's £20k in reality.
End of the day you don't expect to drop 150k plus on a new approved used car and potentially have a 10-20k bill down the line for brakes, if they are so worn to the point they may need replacement in 5000 miles or less then part of the approved car process should surely have them sorted as part of the preparation.
Like I see it is at least easy to spot worn disc on a 600 LT, so if a car your looking at has worn disc and the mileage is under 15,000 it has done track work and as such you want to aim to get a few grand of the price or negotiate new disc and pads are fitted at the asking price.
Just trying to help out, buying a 600 LT is not easy and just want to help other potential buyers to not get caught out on a car with worn brakes.
Gibbo205 said:
Great to know the 600 LT all the parts are carbon irrelevant of what colour they are painted.
I guess like others have mentioned then what really matters is:
- Car colour
- Seat type
- Some useful options like glove box, louvres, AC, etc
I think front suspension lift is pretty important with the way the front splitter bottom lip sticks out and how it is so low. I guess like others have mentioned then what really matters is:
- Car colour
- Seat type
- Some useful options like glove box, louvres, AC, etc
Automatic soft close is also great, especially for passengers who will too often otherwise slam the door shut. As a driver you will soon learn the appropriate strength to apply to door closing but the soft close come as a pair.
The senna seats are extremely comfortable and also look like a piece of art, really makes the car interior stand out. However they where (1) quite expensive and (2) delayed delivery dates so a lot of people opted for the standard P1 seats which are pretty amazing anyway.
All personal preferences so happy shopping!!
Gibbo205 said:
A set of new ceramic disc on Ebay from Mclaren is £13,000, having other cars with ceramics they are typically £4000-7000 a pair before discount, as such your dealer is either very kind or has miss-informed you. I know a 600 LT owner who needed new front disc, pads all round and new front suspension struts and the bill from Mclaren was £27,000, after several complaints due to the failure not been his fault but that of failed sensors I believe in the end Mclaren paid nearly 2/3 of the bill leaving him owing £13.000.
End of the day you don't expect to drop 150k plus on a new approved used car and potentially have a 10-20k bill down the line for brakes, if they are so worn to the point they may need replacement in 5000 miles or less then part of the approved car process should surely have them sorted as part of the preparation.
Like I see it is at least easy to spot worn disc on a 600 LT, so if a car your looking at has worn disc and the mileage is under 15,000 it has done track work and as such you want to aim to get a few grand of the price or negotiate new disc and pads are fitted at the asking price.
Just trying to help out, buying a 600 LT is not easy and just want to help other potential buyers to not get caught out on a car with worn brakes.
£13k?? I've seen lots of sets being sold, brand new for circa £4k-£5k...............whoever told you £20k is way, way out....End of the day you don't expect to drop 150k plus on a new approved used car and potentially have a 10-20k bill down the line for brakes, if they are so worn to the point they may need replacement in 5000 miles or less then part of the approved car process should surely have them sorted as part of the preparation.
Like I see it is at least easy to spot worn disc on a 600 LT, so if a car your looking at has worn disc and the mileage is under 15,000 it has done track work and as such you want to aim to get a few grand of the price or negotiate new disc and pads are fitted at the asking price.
Just trying to help out, buying a 600 LT is not easy and just want to help other potential buyers to not get caught out on a car with worn brakes.
Gibbo205 said:
Great to know the 600 LT all the parts are carbon irrelevant of what colour they are painted.
I guess like others have mentioned then what really matters is:
- Car colour
- Seat type
- Some useful options like glove box, louvres, AC, etc
Pretty sure all 600LT's will come with the glovebox and AC.......I guess like others have mentioned then what really matters is:
- Car colour
- Seat type
- Some useful options like glove box, louvres, AC, etc
Sarnie said:
Pretty sure all 600LT's will come with the glovebox and AC.......
No they don't have a look plenty for sale with no glovebox, all seem to have AC but it was a no cost option, so always worth double checkingSarnie said:
£13k?? I've seen lots of sets being sold, brand new for circa £4k-£5k...............whoever told you £20k is way, way out....
Please show me ceramics for a 600LT at this price, they really are not that cheap.
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