600 LT's with carbon louvred wings yet no carbon exterior?
Discussion
Streetbeat said:
Whats your concern over a Mclaren being tracked, there are plenty of owners who track them, i get the being tuned part but a Mclaren thats been tracked should be no concern at all, much more confidence inspiring than a garage queen.
If that advert is to be believed its had an mpi from Mclaren for warranty purposes and all good with no work required, it cant get much more comprehensive.
Track is fine as long as condition of car is good all is well.If that advert is to be believed its had an mpi from Mclaren for warranty purposes and all good with no work required, it cant get much more comprehensive.
Edited by Streetbeat on Sunday 4th September 09:36
But been tuned and then sold as approved that is nothing short of a total joke if true. It seems a lovely car and I’m quite tempted by it but if there is possibility it has been tuned I would not want to touch it as McLaren approved or not what happens down the line, could McLaren try to wriggle out of a claim or if there is more truth to it all could it result in the car been hard to move on at a later date.
What worries me is it was sold by McLaren as approved and then the owner discovered it had been tuned just wonder if anyone here knew the history of car as it seems odd that such a young car could have such a checkered history.
Like I say it looks a lovely car and it’s a real shame about the tuning potential issue, guess got to just keep looking as for every bad car there is potentially 10 great cars.
Gibbo205 said:
Shame it’s so far away but yes this VY I do like only downside is no external carbon packs. My other favourite is the one at Birmingham which has less miles and is also absolutely spotless, has carbon packs 1 and 2 plus senna seats, downsides are no MSO Louvre or sills but it’s got senna seats.
Maybe market is slowing considering the yellow one has been around since start of August, so for me guess a case of is it worth waiting a few more months to see if similar spec cars drop another 10k or so.
I deliberately sought one out that didn't have extrior carbon. Pack one would be ok but no way I wanted the stress of having front and rear bodywork made out of very expensive CF. Apparently it's carbon anyway but just painted. In the event of even a minor dink it's paint vs horrific bills to me! Found a chap that can paint them locally so happy days. Having scraped the front splitter numerous times already and brushed a cone on track the other week I would say no CF is a big bonus! Maybe market is slowing considering the yellow one has been around since start of August, so for me guess a case of is it worth waiting a few more months to see if similar spec cars drop another 10k or so.
tyrrell said:
If you look hard enough on YouTube there is a video of it being tuned 
The owner wanted the new exhaust to fire large flames. Power increased to over 700bhp.
Yup; sounds like a good one.
Well done to the internet sleuths for posting about a car to definitely avoid.
Real pity as it looks like a corker.
Gibbo205 said:
Track is fine as long as condition of car is good all is well.
But been tuned and then sold as approved that is nothing short of a total joke if true. It seems a lovely car and I’m quite tempted by it but if there is possibility it has been tuned I would not want to touch it as McLaren approved or not what happens down the line, could McLaren try to wriggle out of a claim or if there is more truth to it all could it result in the car been hard to move on at a later date.
What worries me is it was sold by McLaren as approved and then the owner discovered it had been tuned just wonder if anyone here knew the history of car as it seems odd that such a young car could have such a checkered history.
Like I say it looks a lovely car and it’s a real shame about the tuning potential issue, guess got to just keep looking as for every bad car there is potentially 10 great cars.
Just seen the video....i guess the owner was a little naive to allow that to be posted to youtube. But been tuned and then sold as approved that is nothing short of a total joke if true. It seems a lovely car and I’m quite tempted by it but if there is possibility it has been tuned I would not want to touch it as McLaren approved or not what happens down the line, could McLaren try to wriggle out of a claim or if there is more truth to it all could it result in the car been hard to move on at a later date.
What worries me is it was sold by McLaren as approved and then the owner discovered it had been tuned just wonder if anyone here knew the history of car as it seems odd that such a young car could have such a checkered history.
Like I say it looks a lovely car and it’s a real shame about the tuning potential issue, guess got to just keep looking as for every bad car there is potentially 10 great cars.
Playing devils advocate though, i am not sure how Mclaren would know its been tuned, i am guessing it was returned to std tune before resale/trade in etc etc
Streetbeat said:
Just seen the video....i guess the owner was a little naive to allow that to be posted to youtube.
Playing devils advocate though, i am not sure how Mclaren would know its been tuned, i am guessing it was returned to std tune before resale/trade in etc etc
All modern car ECU's can detect if a tune or modification has been made, even if it is now stock. Having worked with tuners in the past modern cars log every time the ECU is updated, so flashing a remap will count as one update, flashing back to stock will count as another. Playing devils advocate though, i am not sure how Mclaren would know its been tuned, i am guessing it was returned to std tune before resale/trade in etc etc
As such if a warranty claim is made on say the engine or gearbox, the latter of which can be an issue on the 600 LT, then Mclaren HQ will no doubt check the flash counter on the car to see if all is well, at which point a flag will be raised and the warranty claim rejected, then starts the battle with Mclaren and potential court case.
It really is just not worth the stress or hassle on a £150,000 car, people who are remapping, modifying super cars should really be mindful once they have done this they are knocking 10-30k of the value of the vehicle by doing so and should never try to hide as such because it is always easily detectable by the manufacturer.
Now this car comes with Mclaren extended warranty to which I suspect Mclaren have not scanned the ECU for tampering otherwise they would be unwilling to put a warranty on the car.
Anyone buying this car should be also going to Mclaren and saying I am considering buying TP20 MCL and it comes with an official Mclaren extended warranty but I know it has been modified and tuned in the past, as such can you confirm the warranty is legitimate and should a claim be required on the drivetrain will said claim be authorised.
I don't want to spend my 150k on a car where if a part of the drivetrain fails and a claim might be rejected for a tune/remap/modification I never carried out.
As such the car needs to be 130-140k tops and sold without warranty or the seller needs to have in writing from Mclaren that they accept the car was tuned but will still put a warranty on the car and pay out on any drivetrain claims.
There's a black spider that's been sitting on the mkt for months at £150k apparently that car was tuned also as it had been with another indie dealer then disappeared and resurfaced elsewhere...also has comfort seats. I'd want it to be under £140k to deal but even then doesn't have the right seats so maybe £130k!
RSbandit said:
There's a black spider that's been sitting on the mkt for months at £150k apparently that car was tuned also as it had been with another indie dealer then disappeared and resurfaced elsewhere...also has comfort seats. I'd want it to be under £140k to deal but even then doesn't have the right seats so maybe £130k!
A gearbox is what? 20-30k on these cars and a few 600 LT's have had gearbox replacements as the software from factory is more aggressive, so I'd most definitely not want to risk a void warranty due to a car been tuned, you could easily be coughing up a 30k bill with warranty claim is rejected.So yes a black comfort 600 LT that has been tuned, 130k max, the yellow one I might be tempted at 135-140k but anything over just better paying more for a decent unmolested car and peace of mind, all day long at these kind of values.
For me got to be a bright colour, red, yellow, green, orange, blue are all on shortlist, has to have buckets as well. So no white, grey, silver or black cars for me.
lambo666 said:
Just to confirm what Gibbo said is correct. I have just had my gearbox replaced (600LT).
All the data is double checked by HQ before any large claim is authorised (especially any after market tuning).
With another of your posts, I cannot get my head around how many 600LTs have required a replacement gearbox at Guildford alone.All the data is double checked by HQ before any large claim is authorised (especially any after market tuning).
In around late 2020 before I bought my current car, I was on the line for getting a napier 600 spider from a well known dealer with 6k miles, and back then we had agreed on £137k.
After a bit of Internet sleuthing I found a good few videos of the same car stationery getting the nuts revved of it just so surrounding people were impressed with 18" long flames shooting out of the exhausts.
Then I found it had been won on the '7 day auction' site for the princely sum of £10 for a ticket.
At that stage it was 18 months old.
There seems to be plenty of YouTube clips of 600s being ragged and revved.
Considering there is not many of them in the UK, you have to really do your homework if you want to get a good one.
Plenty of good owners, but it seems an equal amount of not so good owners.
Its a great car standard; why would you mess with it?
Wheelspinning said:
With another of your posts, I cannot get my head around how many 600LTs have required a replacement gearbox at Guildford alone.
In around late 2020 before I bought my current car, I was on the line for getting a napier 600 spider from a well known dealer with 6k miles, and back then we had agreed on £137k.
After a bit of Internet sleuthing I found a good few videos of the same car stationery getting the nuts revved of it just so surrounding people were impressed with 18" long flames shooting out of the exhausts.
Then I found it had been won on the '7 day auction' site for the princely sum of £10 for a ticket.
At that stage it was 18 months old.
There seems to be plenty of YouTube clips of 600s being ragged and revved.
Considering there is not many of them in the UK, you have to really do your homework if you want to get a good one.
Plenty of good owners, but it seems an equal amount of not so good owners.
Its a great car standard; why would you mess with it?
If you know the number plate for this car can you share it please?In around late 2020 before I bought my current car, I was on the line for getting a napier 600 spider from a well known dealer with 6k miles, and back then we had agreed on £137k.
After a bit of Internet sleuthing I found a good few videos of the same car stationery getting the nuts revved of it just so surrounding people were impressed with 18" long flames shooting out of the exhausts.
Then I found it had been won on the '7 day auction' site for the princely sum of £10 for a ticket.
At that stage it was 18 months old.
There seems to be plenty of YouTube clips of 600s being ragged and revved.
Considering there is not many of them in the UK, you have to really do your homework if you want to get a good one.
Plenty of good owners, but it seems an equal amount of not so good owners.
Its a great car standard; why would you mess with it?
I think we maybe need a thread posting for potential 600LT to avoid, due to mapping, exhaust modifications or dubious owners.
From doing more research the yellow Mclaren was or still is owned by a young forex trader, who seem to just rag the car around London, fit exhaust and get it tuned.
That car registration is TP20 MCL it may have also had the registration PE45ANT at somepoint as well. This car has been mapped, is volcano yellow, wing louvres, 12 speaker audio, currently for sale at Strafford Cars in Brighton on SOR I believe at £154,950, ONE TO AVOID.
Wheelspinning said:
Plenty of good owners, but it seems an equal amount of not so good owners.
Each dealer had about 5 or 6 cars on the insanely cheap lease deals in Q2 and Q3 2020. So that equates to around 1/5th of total production.You could lease a 600LT for less than an AMG! No surprise they were ragged stupid and handed back at either 9,999 or 11,999 miles.
Agreed with the posts about the rentals.
You will see a clear divide in the used market whereby there will be a pool of cars at a certain age/ mileage point that will show signs of being a rental.
Whist they represent a low number in the overall production, most of them will not be kept beyond their lease period so they will float about on the used market.
You will see a clear divide in the used market whereby there will be a pool of cars at a certain age/ mileage point that will show signs of being a rental.
Whist they represent a low number in the overall production, most of them will not be kept beyond their lease period so they will float about on the used market.
Gibbo205 said:
Wheelspinning said:
With another of your posts, I cannot get my head around how many 600LTs have required a replacement gearbox at Guildford alone.
In around late 2020 before I bought my current car, I was on the line for getting a napier 600 spider from a well known dealer with 6k miles, and back then we had agreed on £137k.
After a bit of Internet sleuthing I found a good few videos of the same car stationery getting the nuts revved of it just so surrounding people were impressed with 18" long flames shooting out of the exhausts.
Then I found it had been won on the '7 day auction' site for the princely sum of £10 for a ticket.
At that stage it was 18 months old.
There seems to be plenty of YouTube clips of 600s being ragged and revved.
Considering there is not many of them in the UK, you have to really do your homework if you want to get a good one.
Plenty of good owners, but it seems an equal amount of not so good owners.
Its a great car standard; why would you mess with it?
If you know the number plate for this car can you share it please?In around late 2020 before I bought my current car, I was on the line for getting a napier 600 spider from a well known dealer with 6k miles, and back then we had agreed on £137k.
After a bit of Internet sleuthing I found a good few videos of the same car stationery getting the nuts revved of it just so surrounding people were impressed with 18" long flames shooting out of the exhausts.
Then I found it had been won on the '7 day auction' site for the princely sum of £10 for a ticket.
At that stage it was 18 months old.
There seems to be plenty of YouTube clips of 600s being ragged and revved.
Considering there is not many of them in the UK, you have to really do your homework if you want to get a good one.
Plenty of good owners, but it seems an equal amount of not so good owners.
Its a great car standard; why would you mess with it?
I think we maybe need a thread posting for potential 600LT to avoid, due to mapping, exhaust modifications or dubious owners.
From doing more research the yellow Mclaren was or still is owned by a young forex trader, who seem to just rag the car around London, fit exhaust and get it tuned.
That car registration is TP20 MCL it may have also had the registration PE45ANT at somepoint as well. This car has been mapped, is volcano yellow, wing louvres, 12 speaker audio, currently for sale at Strafford Cars in Brighton on SOR I believe at £154,950, ONE TO AVOID.
As its not currently for sale, I would feel uncomfortable about putting up the plate it was originally on to help identify it, as someone, possibly on here owns it maybe without knowing its history and thats not fair to tarnish someone else's current pride and joy.
It had distinctive features, and I feel I would be able to spot it if a dealer registered it for sale.
On checking through my correspondence from Dec 2020, it was actually less than what I posted as the price it could be had for; it was covid panic sale times.
Wheelspinning said:
The car no longer has the distinctive plate that it was offered with, as it appears to be on a BMW X6 now.
As its not currently for sale, I would feel uncomfortable about putting up the plate it was originally on to help identify it, as someone, possibly on here owns it maybe without knowing its history and thats not fair to tarnish someone else's current pride and joy.
It had distinctive features, and I feel I would be able to spot it if a dealer registered it for sale.
On checking through my correspondence from Dec 2020, it was actually less than what I posted as the price it could be had for; it was covid panic sale times.
Fair enough, if you can post as much as the spec as possible though please at least then if I or others comes across a car that is identical spec they can do their own further due diligence on the car, no one wants to drop 150k on a potentially tuned car to potentially have issues further down the road with it.As its not currently for sale, I would feel uncomfortable about putting up the plate it was originally on to help identify it, as someone, possibly on here owns it maybe without knowing its history and thats not fair to tarnish someone else's current pride and joy.
It had distinctive features, and I feel I would be able to spot it if a dealer registered it for sale.
On checking through my correspondence from Dec 2020, it was actually less than what I posted as the price it could be had for; it was covid panic sale times.
Gibbo205 said:
Fair enough, if you can post as much as the spec as possible though please at least then if I or others comes across a car that is identical spec they can do their own further due diligence on the car, no one wants to drop 150k on a potentially tuned car to potentially have issues further down the road with it.
He never said the car had been tuned.......lambo666 said:
Just to confirm what Gibbo said is correct. I have just had my gearbox replaced (600LT).
All the data is double checked by HQ before any large claim is authorised (especially any after market tuning).
All the data is double checked by HQ before any large claim is authorised (especially any after market tuning).
So if a gearbox goes on a car thats been tuned, but warrantied after said tune, is the relevent Mclaren dealer to blame for not checking the data on the ECU before offering the warranty?
Or is it impossible to tell when it was tuned?
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