No Artura love?!

[mogg]

I recently drove an Artura and 750S back to back on track. Only drove 2 or 3 laps in each. From a general performance aspect I found the Artura quite similar to my 600LT, maybe a bit faster through the gears on the straights - to be expected re electric torque in-fill.

The 750S was WOW, WOW, WOW !! Now I have to wait until the 750 depreciates into my affordability zone :-)

[ex-devonpaul]

Chrisatronic said:

It's probably a 100k car in 3 years so still a lot of pain to go.

Probably, but you can lose £50k in 3 years buying many cars at or under that price bracket. If that's your budget then there are a lot worse places to put it and 30% in 3 years isn't that bad compared to (say) a 911 Turbo.

Or if you want to spend half that and lose your shirt, a 3 year old iPace is under £20k now, compared to circa £70k new and about £80k for the current model.

And you'd have spent 3 years in an I-Pace (or at least a Courtesy car, if the internet is to be believed )

[supersport]

mogg said:

I recently drove an Artura and 750S back to back on track. Only drove 2 or 3 laps in each. From a general performance aspect I found the Artura quite similar to my 600LT, maybe a bit faster through the gears on the straights - to be expected re electric torque in-fill.

The 750S was WOW, WOW, WOW !! Now I have to wait until the 750 depreciates into my affordability zone :-)

Me too, Croft?

The Artura was nice and fast. But the 750 was on a different planet. You could feel the difference in power delivery, but the 750 was proper laugh out loud. I imagine they would be a lot closer on the road. But I wouldn't swap my 720 for one.

[mogg]

supersport said:

Me too, Croft?

[TP321]

mogg said:

I recently drove an Artura and 750S back to back on track. Only drove 2 or 3 laps in each. From a general performance aspect I found the Artura quite similar to my 600LT, maybe a bit faster through the gears on the straights - to be expected re electric torque in-fill.

The 750S was WOW, WOW, WOW !! Now I have to wait until the 750 depreciates into my affordability zone :-)

I have never driven an Artura nor a 296GTB, but I admire the technology and the increased power it gives. But judging from your experience of the 750s, these hybrids seem to be missing something that the stats don’t show.

[Chrisatronic]

ex-devonpaul said:

Probably, but you can lose £50k in 3 years buying many cars at or under that price bracket. If that's your budget then there are a lot worse places to put it and 30% in 3 years isn't that bad compared to (say) a 911 Turbo.

Or if you want to spend half that and lose your shirt, a 3 year old iPace is under £20k now, compared to circa £70k new and about £80k for the current model.

And you'd have spent 3 years in an I-Pace (or at least a Courtesy car, if the internet is to be believed )

You're not wrong, it's great value regardless. I can't think of anything in that 120-150 bracket that will hold any better, MAYBE 992 GT3 but I don't really know why they stopped at 150k tbh. 600LT Spider aswell, maybe.

[TP321]

mogg said:

I recently drove an Artura and 750S back to back on track. Only drove 2 or 3 laps in each. From a general performance aspect I found the Artura quite similar to my 600LT, maybe a bit faster through the gears on the straights - to be expected re electric torque in-fill.

The 750S was WOW, WOW, WOW !! Now I have to wait until the 750 depreciates into my affordability zone :-)

I have never driven an Artura nor a 296GTB, but I admire the technology and the increased power it gives. But judging from your experience of the 750s, these hybrids seem to be missing something that the stats don’t show.

[Frankychops]

TP321 said:

I have never driven an Artura nor a 296GTB, but I admire the technology and the increased power it gives. But judging from your experience of the 750s, these hybrids seem to be missing something that the stats don’t show.

Not really, on the road the nature of the hybrid powertrain/punch means I can't see how even a 750 could gap one? on the track, the 100 odd kg saving and extra power of the 750 will help.

Not to mention the lack of size will help the artura on the road. I think from what i've seen in dealers, the artura is a better built car, less panels, less rubber seals, just a much nicer feel to it as a whole.

[ContactName]

Does the Artura have proactive suspension like the super series?

That would be a deal breaker for me.

I saw one in the showroom when I was picking up a 12c and initially thought it was an Emira, while the used 720s next to it looked much more exotic

[samoht]

ContactName said:

Does the Artura have proactive suspension like the super series?

No.

They won't admit it's a replacement for the 570S, but it basically is.

[mogg]

Frankychops said:

Not really, on the road the nature of the hybrid powertrain/punch means I can't see how even a 750 could gap one? on the track, the 100 odd kg saving and extra power of the 750 will help.

Agreed, I would think they would be more similar on road than on track. I would also mention that I found the interior of the 750 generally more to my liking, especially the Senna seats which suited it really well.

I've also driven a couple of 296GTB (with and without the Assetto Fiorano pack). Both put on revs incredibly fast and are amazing machines - but weigh north of 1700kg !!!! Would be interesting to compare 296GTB and 750S on track, ie would the lower weight of the 750 make up for the greater power/torque of the 296 !

Also, on a similar topic, just read an article in EVO where they did a group comparison on track and timed the cars. A current GT3RS lapped a couple of tenths less than a 750S !! Just shows how aero and extensive fine tunable setup can make up for around 200bhp. However, It should be noted that the track was Anglesey so relatively short and twisty. Maybe around somewhere like Silverstone the 750 would be notably quicker !

[ContactName]

A BAC Mono was faster than a McLaren P1 GTR around Anglesey, as you say it’s a tight twisty track so favours light weight above anything.

[Frankychops]

samoht said:

ContactName said:

Does the Artura have proactive suspension like the super series?

No.

They won't admit it's a replacement for the 570S, but it basically is.

I don’t see it as that, it’s a big step on, it’s a mini p1 powertrain and likely sets up the future of McLaren Powertrains(however a v8 in the big hitters). It’ll be interesting to see how far they can take the v6. It does sound better than the v8

[Streetbeat]

Frankychops said:

Not to mention the lack of size will help the artura on the road.

Its 17mm narrower..........if you can notice that difference in size your a better man than me.

[johnag007]

I too test-drove an Arturo with the sports seats. I mention these seats because the seating position meant that you feel a huge difference lying down versus my previous 911s sitting upright, including a GT3. This felt properly sporty.

As for the power, I have no idea where you guys drive but I found a 458 for example to be the maximum for Italian mountains enjoyment, with Italy now being the sole place where you can enjoy sports cars. The F8 for example was way too powerful and not sonic, so worse in terms of enjoyment (I also drove for a week a half way 360 to challenge spec and this was wild). As for driving on circuits, whilst I have not driven a 720 or 750, I only felt short changed in a powerful car with a Roma because it is set up to be sensible. The Artura is nowhere near these sensible levels so I expect my level of enjoyment to be "high enough"!

The whole car felt like a feline, even if the noise was nowhere near a 458 for example, but that is to be expected these days unfortunately. I also liked the fact that the car felt hewn from 1 place rather than a rattling nightmare that I have sat in, and modern to boot (I do not like the newest Ferrari cockpits for example).

All in all highly enjoyable, and if it was not for the terrifying depreciation which means there is very little incentive to buy new and not wait 2 years, it would be something I would aspire to.

Incidentally the McLaren dealership experience was far better than expected.

[supersport]

Frankychops said:

TP321 said:

I have never driven an Artura nor a 296GTB, but I admire the technology and the increased power it gives. But judging from your experience of the 750s, these hybrids seem to be missing something that the stats don’t show.

Not really, on the road the nature of the hybrid powertrain/punch means I can't see how even a 750 could gap one? on the track, the 100 odd kg saving and extra power of the 750 will help.

Not to mention the lack of size will help the artura on the road. I think from what i've seen in dealers, the artura is a better built car, less panels, less rubber seals, just a much nicer feel to it as a whole.

The power delivery on the Artura feels very different. I much preferred the way the 750 did it, and my own 720.

They are still blindingly fast and capable but the 720 / 750 feels way more special. I certainly wouldn’t swap to an Artura. But it’s still a nice car.

[Ken Figenus]

Seriously thinking of an Artura in place of the GT as it is such a well resolved car.

Had 2 weeks in one and exercised it around Wales. Really really enjoyed it.




It does GT very well which is so important to me having done 10,000 miles in mine this year, but it has added bite and response. Its only marginally firmer than my GT and I love the high tech hybrid electrickery - it is not a medieval 'burn the witch' reaction from me! It is progress and gives so many advantages in performance, economy and power. Banishing turbo lag is such a plus.

The market's reaction to it is hyper cautious and a bit regressive with journos binding together like sheep when they cant get their head around something a bit different - viz like with the GT. Its also a fairly compact car but even that gets negatives and all after everyone says cars have got too big and heavy.

I'm sure I will get one - a mark 2 coupe in a zingy colour maybe - I think they need that to spice up their classy subtlety. Belter of a car imho and one brand fans should try.

[alltalk]

I like them ... is there a genuine Mark 2 or is it from a build date ? Heard early ones had a few niggles.

[Ken Figenus]

All I have gleaned to date is that early ones get the software updates that give a bit more power but not the slightly different front suspension components - I drove the 'MK1' with zero complaints mind. Its wet grip was in particular quite staggering.

[LotusJas]

alltalk said:

I like them ... is there a genuine Mark 2 or is it from a build date ? Heard early ones had a few niggles.

The Mk2 does have improvements.

But I borrowed a v early Mk1 coupe from Hatfield for 4 days and had no issues. It had had some software updates.

Artura Spider in particular does look lovely.

It's a great car, but 750S is next level in performance and also engagement. Artura is a much better daily driver though.