Sono Motors Sion - solar EV...
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DonkeyApple said:
While the video says it is cheaper than all those cars new, the website has a different price.
At €30k it's certainly extremely expensive but that doesn't stop it from being interesting as a direction nor does it necessarily mean there won't be customers.
of course there will be customers, but how many is the critical point?At €30k it's certainly extremely expensive but that doesn't stop it from being interesting as a direction nor does it necessarily mean there won't be customers.
What does this bring that say a Zoe doesn't?
Is it significantly cheaper than a zoe?
Is it faster, more comfortable, longer ranged, more reliable, more practical, more, well, anything that a zoe?
List on a base model Zoe is around E32,000, the Sion is around E30,000.
Is E2000 enough to walk away from an establish main dealer and into a completely unproven 3rd party? It wouldn't be for me that's for sure.
Yes it has stupid moss on the dash, and stupid solar panels on the bodywork (can't wait till you make a crash claim, should be interesting....) but what's the warranty, NCAP rating, dealer network, resale, and critically, what's the quality and reliability like?
As i said, if this were introduced 10 years ago it would be genuinely ground braking, today, when a MG ZS EV is the same or even less money, er, i'm really not so sure.
When making a BEV, the battery is around 40% of the cost of the car (or more esp for non premium segment cars, where it can be 60%) so sourcing cells in volume and leveraging economies of scale on the battery is what really matters, hence the MG being really cheap. Sono are unlilely to be able to do that, so are stuck with an expensive a battery in a cheap car, which is a real problem.
Your answer lies on the crowdfunding websites, where many such goods are sold. Of all the features the killer app being the moss in that regard. But the price is the killer. At €20 you could more clearly see a sustainable market but at parity to mass manufacturers, I agree with you. But they don't need to make many as they've outsourced to that firm that does the smaller runs. I doubt they've signed a deal based on tens of thousands a year.
I see that Kia and Hyundai are going to be fitting solar as an option going forward.
If you can get a few sq metres of flexible solar coverage on a car that adds a few miles a day on a relatively normal day then there are some advantages for apartment cars that just get used for local runs.
But the cheapest solution seems to remain the French company that retrofits a simple EV drivetrain into an old shed for that type of market.
I see that Kia and Hyundai are going to be fitting solar as an option going forward.
If you can get a few sq metres of flexible solar coverage on a car that adds a few miles a day on a relatively normal day then there are some advantages for apartment cars that just get used for local runs.
But the cheapest solution seems to remain the French company that retrofits a simple EV drivetrain into an old shed for that type of market.
DonkeyApple said:
Your answer lies on the crowdfunding websites, where many such goods are sold. Of all the features the killer app being the moss in that regard. But the price is the killer. At €20 you could more clearly see a sustainable market but at parity to mass manufacturers, I agree with you. But they don't need to make many as they've outsourced to that firm that does the smaller runs. I doubt they've signed a deal based on tens of thousands a year.
I see that Kia and Hyundai are going to be fitting solar as an option going forward.
If you can get a few sq metres of flexible solar coverage on a car that adds a few miles a day on a relatively normal day then there are some advantages for apartment cars that just get used for local runs.
But the cheapest solution seems to remain the French company that retrofits a simple EV drivetrain into an old shed for that type of market.
Crowd funding is basically where non-viable ideas/projects with iffy buisness cases go because no one else will touch them with a barge pole......I see that Kia and Hyundai are going to be fitting solar as an option going forward.
If you can get a few sq metres of flexible solar coverage on a car that adds a few miles a day on a relatively normal day then there are some advantages for apartment cars that just get used for local runs.
But the cheapest solution seems to remain the French company that retrofits a simple EV drivetrain into an old shed for that type of market.
Realsitically, what is groudn breaking on this car?
It uses COTS drivetrain from a Teir1, it uses COTS battery modules. The body shell is conventional and the specification very low. God knows what NCAP rating it has either. It's safe to say nothing will be class leading or probably even class average in al lhonesty
Given that Renault and MG can most certainly source cells for less money thanks to their buying power, what is the buisness case for this brand and model?
if it were very cheap, then yes, i agree some people would buy it, but E30k isn't cheap.......
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