Model 3 UK orders.

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ChocolateFrog

7,022 posts

122 months

Friday 6th December 2019
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squirdan said:
I charged using a Source London 22kw charger this morning...

car went from 45% to 80% where I stopped it

they calculate it on the minutes you were connected, not the actual power you used

anyway...139 minutes - £16.54

still cheap vs petrol but not exactly a bargain. convenient though as by the office and avoids me paying for parking

strikes me thats a fat profit margin for someone though !
How many miles is 35% battery.

I'm guessing less than a 100 miles, which seems extortionate.

ZesPak

19,453 posts

145 months

Friday 6th December 2019
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squirdan said:
I charged using a Source London 22kw charger this morning...

car went from 45% to 80% where I stopped it

they calculate it on the minutes you were connected, not the actual power you used

anyway...139 minutes - £16.54

still cheap vs petrol but not exactly a bargain. convenient though as by the office and avoids me paying for parking

strikes me thats a fat profit margin for someone though !
Some quick maths would put that around 33c/kwh?
Sounds high, bordering on extortion.
SuC are usually around 25c.

SWoll

8,572 posts

207 months

Friday 6th December 2019
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ChocolateFrog said:
squirdan said:
I charged using a Source London 22kw charger this morning...

car went from 45% to 80% where I stopped it

they calculate it on the minutes you were connected, not the actual power you used

anyway...139 minutes - £16.54

still cheap vs petrol but not exactly a bargain. convenient though as by the office and avoids me paying for parking

strikes me thats a fat profit margin for someone though !
How many miles is 35% battery.

I'm guessing less than a 100 miles, which seems extortionate.
yes

Definite piss take charging for minutes connected on a slow charger.

I did a <30% to 95% charge on a Polar 50kw last night which took about an hour and a half. Don't pay for the charge as the car is through Evezy but had I needed to would have cost me about £6 for an additional 200+ miles of range at their standard 11p per kw rate.

Sat and watched the first half of The Irishman on Netflix whilst I was there. smile

Edited by SWoll on Friday 6th December 12:06

Sambucket

2,487 posts

10 months

Friday 6th December 2019
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SWoll said:
They work fine on mine in both light and heavy rain. Certainly no worse than any other auto wipers and better than the i3.
I did catch myself in light rain with inactive wipers thinking something like 'Maybe my lord AP knows better. I can just about make out the road layout through the rain. Do I really 'need' to see more clearly?'

(the answer is yes)



essayer

6,393 posts

143 months

Friday 6th December 2019
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Dave Hedgehog said:
it would be fine if the wiper speed control was on a stalk attached to the steering column, the iPad is a total PITA to use whilst driving
wait WHAT?? seriously?

this has to be a joke

you can tell they designed it in California where it rains once per year

Greg_D

6,097 posts

195 months

Friday 6th December 2019
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hold the phone......

does the m3 not have wiper controls on a stalk!!!!

jamoor

10,769 posts

164 months

Friday 6th December 2019
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Greg_D said:
hold the phone......

does the m3 not have wiper controls on a stalk!!!!
Only wash wipe when you press that it also brings up the settings on the menu screen. I don’t see it as such a big deal

UnderSteerD

125 posts

131 months

Friday 6th December 2019
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Greg_D said:
hold the phone......

does the m3 not have wiper controls on a stalk!!!!
It was something I was concerned about too, but it really isn't an issue. A quick tap on the end of the stalk will clear the screen.

essayer

6,393 posts

143 months

Friday 6th December 2019
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jamoor said:
Only wash wipe when you press that it also brings up the settings on the menu screen. I don’t see it as such a big deal
i'm sorry but this is ludicrous - borderline dangerous surely

it's raining so you press the button on the stalk to then turn the wipers on via a button on the touchscreen? and it doesn't even have a proper rain sensor so uses the camera to guess whether it's raining?

I love a lot about Tesla but that is ridiculous

FeelingLucky

815 posts

113 months

Friday 6th December 2019
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essayer said:
jamoor said:
Only wash wipe when you press that it also brings up the settings on the menu screen. I don’t see it as such a big deal
i'm sorry but this is ludicrous - borderline dangerous surely

it's raining so you press the button on the stalk to then turn the wipers on via a button on the touchscreen? and it doesn't even have a proper rain sensor so uses the camera to guess whether it's raining?

I love a lot about Tesla but that is ridiculous
I'm wondering what's your experience driving a Tesla?
Owners have said it's not an issue, but you hold a different view, would you care to elaborate?


Zcd1

107 posts

4 months

Friday 6th December 2019
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essayer said:
...I love a lot about Tesla but that is ridiculous
The other way to look at it is that Tesla is moving towards autonomy via cameras, so the cameras are already there, so they're leveraging that fact to innovate something new.

The automatic wiper performance has improved considerably in the year I've owned my car, and they're not dangerous at all. A quick press of the button on the stalk is all it takes if that's ever needed.

essayer

6,393 posts

143 months

Friday 6th December 2019
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FeelingLucky said:
I'm wondering what's your experience driving a Tesla?
Owners have said it's not an issue, but you hold a different view, would you care to elaborate?
Tesla owners, notorious for their objectivity wink

I've driven an S. That had real wiper controls.

We have a car with temperature controls on a touchscreen and that's bad enough. I'd hate to think of a crucial system being implemented the same way.

Caught in a rainstorm on the M25 and need to go to fast wipe quick, you think it's safe to be eyes down on the screen trying to find the option? For every type of driver - not just those with a technical mindset?

Sambucket

2,487 posts

10 months

Friday 6th December 2019
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It's probably the most dangerous aspect of the car at present. Though something I hope will be fixed by end of year.

I can see the logic of not building a button for something that will likely be fully automated in near future. But it's unsafe at present yes.


Sambucket

2,487 posts

10 months

Friday 6th December 2019
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Another bug I've found dangerous, is no easy way to clear screen of windows to view maps. You have to close stuff using stuff like corner window crosses. Could be fixed with a side swipe or something. Unless I'm missing something?

SWoll

8,572 posts

207 months

Friday 6th December 2019
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essayer said:
jamoor said:
Only wash wipe when you press that it also brings up the settings on the menu screen. I don’t see it as such a big deal
i'm sorry but this is ludicrous - borderline dangerous surely

it's raining so you press the button on the stalk to then turn the wipers on via a button on the touchscreen? and it doesn't even have a proper rain sensor so uses the camera to guess whether it's raining?

I love a lot about Tesla but that is ridiculous
Had our Model 3 for 2 days and just been out in torrential rain for the first time. The auto wipers work fine, changing to manual would take a second if required (but wasn't) and the button on the stalk does a great job of giving a single wipe.

Where they struggle a bit is when it's stopped raining but a light mist is kicked up by the car in front running through water left on the road. Again, much like most auto wiper systems I've ever encountered and a non issue with single wipe button on the stalk.

Totally overblown issue IME so far.

Dave Hedgehog

12,070 posts

153 months

Friday 6th December 2019
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FeelingLucky said:
I'm wondering what's your experience driving a Tesla?
Owners have said it's not an issue, but you hold a different view, would you care to elaborate?
i am an owner and it is an issue :P

Dave Hedgehog

12,070 posts

153 months

Friday 6th December 2019
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SWoll said:
Had our Model 3 for 2 days and just been out in torrential rain for the first time. The auto wipers work fine, changing to manual would take a second if required (but wasn't) and the button on the stalk does a great job of giving a single wipe.

Where they struggle a bit is when it's stopped raining but a light mist is kicked up by the car in front running through water left on the road. Again, much like most auto wiper systems I've ever encountered and a non issue with single wipe button on the stalk.

Totally overblown issue IME so far.
it is possible mine is faulty, but it has never worked and i have sat for hours in rain (probably days, i avg over 500 hours a year in my car), the auto wiper never activates until you can no longer see the cars in front

spamming the manual button on the stalk gets irksome after 45 minutes of doing it every couple of seconds

having to press the button then move over to the ipad to change the wiper speed suxs



Edited by Dave Hedgehog on Friday 6th December 16:13

ds666

1,040 posts

128 months

Friday 6th December 2019
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I can't see the value in reinventing some of this functionality - what's wrong with stalks ? Half this electrical wizardry is complete tosh .
Do Tesla drivers only need to pass a "limited driving ability test " as they seem to need to rely on all this v2.3 driver aid Sh*t

SWoll

8,572 posts

207 months

Friday 6th December 2019
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Dave Hedgehog said:
SWoll said:
Had our Model 3 for 2 days and just been out in torrential rain for the first time. The auto wipers work fine, changing to manual would take a second if required (but wasn't) and the button on the stalk does a great job of giving a single wipe.

Where they struggle a bit is when it's stopped raining but a light mist is kicked up by the car in front running through water left on the road. Again, much like most auto wiper systems I've ever encountered and a non issue with single wipe button on the stalk.

Totally overblown issue IME so far.
it is possible mine is faulty, but it has never worked and i have sat for hours in rain (probably days), the auto wiper never activates until you can no longer see the cars in front

spamming the manual button on the stalk gets irksome after 45 minutes of doing it every couple of seconds

having to constantly press the button then move over to the ipad to change the wiper speed suxs
I have heard this a lot but honestly not my experience as seemed to work really well with rain that went from light to heavy to torrential in the space of 10 minutes. Was paying plenty of attention as well as expected a problem.

Very strange but then Tesla do seem to have a well earned reputation for the variably of the quality of their cars I suppose. My M3P seems great but found out today that of the cars Evezy received last week 20% had to go back to Tesla due to issues. Lots of unhappy subscribers waiting for cars now being told March 2020..



Edited by SWoll on Friday 6th December 16:22

Mikehig

52 posts

10 months

Friday 6th December 2019
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squirdan said:
I charged using a Source London 22kw charger this morning...

car went from 45% to 80% where I stopped it

they calculate it on the minutes you were connected, not the actual power you used

anyway...139 minutes - £16.54

still cheap vs petrol but not exactly a bargain. convenient though as by the office and avoids me paying for parking

strikes me thats a fat profit margin for someone though !
That time-based pricing does look naughty.
The charger must have been running at well below max output because that time charging at 22kW should give something over 50 kWh but 35% of your battery capacity can't be anywhere near that much as it implies a total capacity of over 150 kWh.
Did it show how many kWh you bought?