Hydrogen is the future, not BEVs?
Discussion
TooLateForAName said:
TheDeuce said:
GT9 said:
TheDeuce said:
Done: https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
A thread I expect to die off soon enough. Who knows, perhaps it'll climb on Google and we'll actually hear from people who have some experience of hydrogen being the answer.
A thread I expect to die off soon enough. Who knows, perhaps it'll climb on Google and we'll actually hear from people who have some experience of hydrogen being the answer.
TheDeuce said:
TheDeuce said:
Adam1980 said:
Bravo to all of you still posting here, especially those pretending hydrogen is ever happening in cars.
You've just given me an idea for a thread 
A thread I expect to die off soon enough. Who knows, perhaps it'll climb on Google and we'll actually hear from people who have some experience of hydrogen being the answer.
autumnsum said:
TheDeuce said:
TheDeuce said:
Adam1980 said:
Bravo to all of you still posting here, especially those pretending hydrogen is ever happening in cars.
You've just given me an idea for a thread A thread I expect to die off soon enough. Who knows, perhaps it'll climb on Google and we'll actually hear from people who have some experience of hydrogen being the answer.
His opinion would be genuinely interesting because he's previously been very optimistic about hydrogen, naturally he's been shown it at its best when he's been flown out to try various cars close to H2 stations. But having actually lived with one, in our capital city for a few years now... Does he ever actually go anywhere in it still!?
His opinion would be especially relevant as he has/has had BEV's too.
TheDeuce said:
Done: https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
A thread I expect to die off soon enough. Who knows, perhaps it'll climb on Google and we'll actually hear from people who have some experience of hydrogen being the answer.
Ha. I thought I won that award for starting a thread about charging losses. I'm glad it sunk to the depths as it was utterly doomed to failure.A thread I expect to die off soon enough. Who knows, perhaps it'll climb on Google and we'll actually hear from people who have some experience of hydrogen being the answer.
Zero Fuchs said:
TheDeuce said:
Done: https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
A thread I expect to die off soon enough. Who knows, perhaps it'll climb on Google and we'll actually hear from people who have some experience of hydrogen being the answer.
Ha. I thought I won that award for starting a thread about charging losses. I'm glad it sunk to the depths as it was utterly doomed to failure.A thread I expect to die off soon enough. Who knows, perhaps it'll climb on Google and we'll actually hear from people who have some experience of hydrogen being the answer.
Time will tell..
(I'm somewhat confident as I've never heard from anyone on this forum that actually has a FCEV)
TheDeuce said:
I suspect I'll beat you in the failure stakes. There has to be more people worried about meaningless charging losses than FCEV car owners...
Time will tell..
(I'm somewhat confident as I've never heard from anyone on this forum that actually has a FCEV)
The other mega thread on this that’s now fallen way down the list was started by a bloke with an FCEV (quite possibly James May’s alter ego as there seemed quite a few commonalities), essentially bemoaning how crap it was because of the incredibly poor H2 infrastructure.Time will tell..
(I'm somewhat confident as I've never heard from anyone on this forum that actually has a FCEV)
dvs_dave said:
TheDeuce said:
I suspect I'll beat you in the failure stakes. There has to be more people worried about meaningless charging losses than FCEV car owners...
Time will tell..
(I'm somewhat confident as I've never heard from anyone on this forum that actually has a FCEV)
The other mega thread on this that’s now fallen way down the list was started by a bloke with an FCEV (quite possibly James May’s alter ego as there seemed quite a few commonalities), essentially bemoaning how crap it was because of the incredibly poor H2 infrastructure.Time will tell..
(I'm somewhat confident as I've never heard from anyone on this forum that actually has a FCEV)
GT9 said:
The posts actually could be read in James May's voice and fit very well - as could the timing with his FCEV 'experiment' and the fact it would make sense he was asking questions about other' experience as research. And of course, Jimbo = James.But a brief look at the cars in his profile and previous topics he's started don't back it up really..
However, if it was him and he's still googling to work out what to do with his useless (albeit free) FCEV, I guess he's probably stumbled upon this thread. Hi James!
TheDeuce said:
The posts actually could be read in James May's voice and fit very well - as could the timing with his FCEV 'experiment' and the fact it would make sense he was asking questions about other' experience as research. And of course, Jimbo = James.
But a brief look at the cars in his profile and previous topics he's started don't back it up really..
However, if it was him and he's still googling to work out what to do with his useless (albeit free) FCEV, I guess he's probably stumbled upon this thread. Hi James!
How many people named ”Jimbo M” in London own an FCEV, who aren’t James May? That’s quite the coincidence!But a brief look at the cars in his profile and previous topics he's started don't back it up really..
However, if it was him and he's still googling to work out what to do with his useless (albeit free) FCEV, I guess he's probably stumbled upon this thread. Hi James!
dvs_dave said:
TheDeuce said:
The posts actually could be read in James May's voice and fit very well - as could the timing with his FCEV 'experiment' and the fact it would make sense he was asking questions about other' experience as research. And of course, Jimbo = James.
But a brief look at the cars in his profile and previous topics he's started don't back it up really..
However, if it was him and he's still googling to work out what to do with his useless (albeit free) FCEV, I guess he's probably stumbled upon this thread. Hi James!
How many people named ”Jimbo M” in London own an FCEV, who aren’t James May? That’s quite the coincidence!But a brief look at the cars in his profile and previous topics he's started don't back it up really..
However, if it was him and he's still googling to work out what to do with his useless (albeit free) FCEV, I guess he's probably stumbled upon this thread. Hi James!
Zero Fuchs said:
I've only ever come across one station, when I parked up in Abergavenny, Wales to top up my EV.
People bemoaning the infrastructure in Wales (I don't find it that bad TBH) would do well not to buy an FCV.
I'm guessing that that might have been part of Hondas existence in Swindon and paid for by the Welsh Assembly as part of their policy of throwing as much tax payer money as they possibly can in the bin via English corporates so that they could get their name mentioned in regional media and feel momentarily special, while the people they were supposed to use that money to help continued to exist in squalor and depravation. Akin to the SNP who have been hurling taxpayer money as fast and hard as possible at Nordic countries, Canadian entities and London VCs, stripping their own people of what is rightfully theirs just so they can pretend to be relevant on the global stage. People bemoaning the infrastructure in Wales (I don't find it that bad TBH) would do well not to buy an FCV.
It's extremely sad just how easily these fools have been so willingly rinsed. And places like Germany are no different where regional, provincial schmucks have been rinsed out via vanity projects and frauds while those they exist to protect pay the price.
tamore said:
and yet politicians will talk straight to cameras spouting promises about a 'hydrogen economy' with complete ignorance of the enormity of what they're saying. colour of their rosette is immaterial.
Absolutely. Although I don't think it is with complete ignorance all the time but what is all the time is the drive to win votes. We can look at Boris's supposed backing of the overt fiasco and investment ruse of BritishVolt. You can see in the way that the offer of taxpayer money was structured that they knew exactly what that business was but to be seen to be supporting jobs in the North benefitted the post Brexit and Levelling Up agendas. Hydrogen is a political gift horse when you see who can be drawn in by it. Meanwhile, industry just gets on with the real job at hand while playing along sufficiently to hoover up the free money.
And of U.K. based industry saw a viable excess of renewable generation it would be making a play for the industries that are going to be the market for green hydrogen from that excess. As it is, we are seeing the investment directed more towards the exporting of any excesses in exchange for imports back when there is a local shortfall.
I drove a Mirai in 2016 as a fully viable car and went out in BMW's 3GT based demonstrator (as a passenger because it was too expensive to let anyone apart from the BMW test driver drive it).
Both were fine. Drove like any other electric car. Bit boring if anything.
Fuelling was easy. did it on both and it was very much like filling up petrol or lpg I guess.
Back then it was obvious it was the infrastructure that needed sorting, not the cars.
Both were fine. Drove like any other electric car. Bit boring if anything.
Fuelling was easy. did it on both and it was very much like filling up petrol or lpg I guess.
Back then it was obvious it was the infrastructure that needed sorting, not the cars.
madbadger said:
I drove a Mirai in 2016 as a fully viable car and went out in BMW's 3GT based demonstrator (as a passenger because it was too expensive to let anyone apart from the BMW test driver drive it).
Both were fine. Drove like any other electric car. Bit boring if anything.
Fuelling was easy. did it on both and it was very much like filling up petrol or lpg I guess.
Back then it was obvious it was the infrastructure that needed sorting, not the cars.
Even if the infrastructure was magically in place... Unless you frequently exceed current EV range, the only differences if you opted for a fuel cell car would be negative:Both were fine. Drove like any other electric car. Bit boring if anything.
Fuelling was easy. did it on both and it was very much like filling up petrol or lpg I guess.
Back then it was obvious it was the infrastructure that needed sorting, not the cars.
- slower
- more expensive to run
- more expensive to buy
- more complex
- more hardware to package
- unable to charge at home
And even if a lot of people genuinely did need the range and refill times of a FCEV, that would only be the case until battery density improves, at which point the infrastructure would start to reduce again.
TheDeuce said:
Even if the infrastructure was magically in place... Unless you frequently exceed current EV range, the only differences if you opted for a fuel cell car would be negative:
- slower
- more expensive to run
- more expensive to buy
- more complex
- more hardware to package
- unable to charge at home
And even if a lot of people genuinely did need the range and refill times of a FCEV, that would only be the case until battery density improves, at which point the infrastructure would start to reduce again.
Well it hasn't improved in the last 30-40 years...- slower
- more expensive to run
- more expensive to buy
- more complex
- more hardware to package
- unable to charge at home
And even if a lot of people genuinely did need the range and refill times of a FCEV, that would only be the case until battery density improves, at which point the infrastructure would start to reduce again.
Frimley111R said:
TheDeuce said:
Even if the infrastructure was magically in place... Unless you frequently exceed current EV range, the only differences if you opted for a fuel cell car would be negative:
- slower
- more expensive to run
- more expensive to buy
- more complex
- more hardware to package
- unable to charge at home
And even if a lot of people genuinely did need the range and refill times of a FCEV, that would only be the case until battery density improves, at which point the infrastructure would start to reduce again.
Well it hasn't improved in the last 30-40 years...- slower
- more expensive to run
- more expensive to buy
- more complex
- more hardware to package
- unable to charge at home
And even if a lot of people genuinely did need the range and refill times of a FCEV, that would only be the case until battery density improves, at which point the infrastructure would start to reduce again.
At a KWh/$ rate it's become a lot more affordable for the highest density too.
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