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Toaster Pilot said:
Mikehig said:
There's a factor which I haven't seen mentioned in discussions about range: the minimum residual at the end of a trip.
If there a second car or little likelihood of needing to go back out soon after returning home then it's not an issue. However, if that need is a real possibility then it would impact charging requirements.
In my case I keep my ICE fuel level above 100 miles so I can get straight on the road to my elderly father when called and do any running about that's needed without having to stop. Running an EV that way would be impractical, aiui.
No doubt this is a rare situation but it would apply to anyone who can be called out with little or no notice.
I mean it’s a rather unbelievable situation - surely if you had an EV you’d just plug it in as soon as you got home and the 25 miles per hour charge rate would be sufficient? If there a second car or little likelihood of needing to go back out soon after returning home then it's not an issue. However, if that need is a real possibility then it would impact charging requirements.
In my case I keep my ICE fuel level above 100 miles so I can get straight on the road to my elderly father when called and do any running about that's needed without having to stop. Running an EV that way would be impractical, aiui.
No doubt this is a rare situation but it would apply to anyone who can be called out with little or no notice.
…. And in the VERY rare situation it isn’t, the fuel station being discussed in this thread would provide the solution ?
This particular scenario requires the car to be fully out of charge, there being no time at all to add the required miles to make the unexpected journey (which itself I presume cannot be delayed), and/or not enough time to add the miles to reach a rapid charger and/or not a rapid charger within range of the miles the nearly flat car had left anyway. And requires there is no second car to take.. Geez... I'd just call a taxi! How often is the above likely to happen!? I can afford an extra two taxi's per lifetime I think
TheDeuce said:
It is weird that the notion of switching to EV causes people to reach for ever more unlikely scenarios in which an electric car will come unstuck... Ignore all the endless day today benefits, let's focus instead on the once in a blue moon scenario where idiot EV drivers will finally be forced to wish they had stuck with ICE!
This particular scenario requires the car to be fully out of charge, there being no time at all to add the required miles to make the unexpected journey (which itself I presume cannot be delayed), and/or not enough time to add the miles to reach a rapid charger and/or not a rapid charger within range of the miles the nearly flat car had left anyway. And requires there is no second car to take.. Geez... I'd just call a taxi! How often is the above likely to happen!? I can afford an extra two taxi's per lifetime I think
Indeed. How about people living a bit more remotely who run ICE cars relying on their local fuel station and turn up on fumes to find there has been a power cut, no fuel delivery etc.This particular scenario requires the car to be fully out of charge, there being no time at all to add the required miles to make the unexpected journey (which itself I presume cannot be delayed), and/or not enough time to add the miles to reach a rapid charger and/or not a rapid charger within range of the miles the nearly flat car had left anyway. And requires there is no second car to take.. Geez... I'd just call a taxi! How often is the above likely to happen!? I can afford an extra two taxi's per lifetime I think
Easy enough to "what if" a scenario when ever option would be a nightmare
SWoll said:
TheDeuce said:
It is weird that the notion of switching to EV causes people to reach for ever more unlikely scenarios in which an electric car will come unstuck... Ignore all the endless day today benefits, let's focus instead on the once in a blue moon scenario where idiot EV drivers will finally be forced to wish they had stuck with ICE!
This particular scenario requires the car to be fully out of charge, there being no time at all to add the required miles to make the unexpected journey (which itself I presume cannot be delayed), and/or not enough time to add the miles to reach a rapid charger and/or not a rapid charger within range of the miles the nearly flat car had left anyway. And requires there is no second car to take.. Geez... I'd just call a taxi! How often is the above likely to happen!? I can afford an extra two taxi's per lifetime I think
Indeed. How about people living a bit more remotely who run ICE cars relying on their local fuel station and turn up on fumes to find there has been a power cut, no fuel delivery etc.This particular scenario requires the car to be fully out of charge, there being no time at all to add the required miles to make the unexpected journey (which itself I presume cannot be delayed), and/or not enough time to add the miles to reach a rapid charger and/or not a rapid charger within range of the miles the nearly flat car had left anyway. And requires there is no second car to take.. Geez... I'd just call a taxi! How often is the above likely to happen!? I can afford an extra two taxi's per lifetime I think
Easy enough to "what if" a scenario when ever option would be a nightmare
The funny thing is that virtually all the current detractors of BEV's are bound to end up with one at some point. Not all, granted - some will really dig their heels in and remain with ICE for the rest of their days. The majority however will end up switching for practical reasons during the next decade and of that majority, most will soon enough come to enjoy it.
There's already no shortage of folk on these forums that have changed their tune having actually lived with an EV. I myself largely dismissed EVs initially due to range and charge times, because I lazily compared them to ICE car range without thinking through the actual usage scenario and home charging. I think ICE drivers on here spend more time worrying about EV drivers range than EV drivers do!
Range anxiety: A disease that seems to primarily effect those that don't yet have an EV.
TheDeuce said:
The funny thing is that virtually all the current detractors of BEV's are bound to end up with one at some point. Not all, granted - some will really dig their heels in and remain with ICE for the rest of their days.
Someone started a conversation with me about EV's and how it's the downfall of everything automotive and he'll never get one, they'll all burn down and even before that they are really bad for the environment.
I quickly realized it wasn't much use, so I just said he didn't have to worry.
As he inquired, I explained it:
You're over 50 now (something a lot of haters seem to have in common), by the time you can't buy a new ICE anymore you'll be 60. When you're 75 you can still get a 15 year old ICE car.
So you don't have to worry. My BiL is in his mid 20's and there's a good chance he'll never own an ICE as a daily driver, he just doesn't want it as it makes no sense to him.
TheDeuce said:
Range anxiety: A disease that seems to primarily effect those that don't yet have an EV.
I have now ordered an EV but I've been preparing for it by owning a TVR.....Whenever I park the TVR up at home I put it on charge (as they are renowned for causing problems when low!)
The range on the TVR is about 200 miles, this is less than the EV I have ordered so I don't think I'll be too worried about range!
ZesPak said:
TheDeuce said:
The funny thing is that virtually all the current detractors of BEV's are bound to end up with one at some point. Not all, granted - some will really dig their heels in and remain with ICE for the rest of their days.
Someone started a conversation with me about EV's and how it's the downfall of everything automotive and he'll never get one, they'll all burn down and even before that they are really bad for the environment.
I quickly realized it wasn't much use, so I just said he didn't have to worry.
As he inquired, I explained it:
You're over 50 now (something a lot of haters seem to have in common), by the time you can't buy a new ICE anymore you'll be 60. When you're 75 you can still get a 15 year old ICE car.
So you don't have to worry. My BiL is in his mid 20's and there's a good chance he'll never own an ICE as a daily driver, he just doesn't want it as it makes no sense to him.
Oldwolf said:
TheDeuce said:
Range anxiety: A disease that seems to primarily effect those that don't yet have an EV.
I have now ordered an EV but I've been preparing for it by owning a TVR.....Whenever I park the TVR up at home I put it on charge (as they are renowned for causing problems when low!)
The range on the TVR is about 200 miles, this is less than the EV I have ordered so I don't think I'll be too worried about range!
Will the EV also be quicker...?
I went to a TVR meet near me last year at Burghley House and a couple of exhibitors commented on my EV as they had their own for a daily. Makes complete sense alongside their cherished future classic TVR imo. Best of all worlds really - I don't understand why some people feel they have to choose a 'side'.
as per the values, interesting cars aren't done yet.TheDeuce said:
Toaster Pilot said:
Mikehig said:
There's a factor which I haven't seen mentioned in discussions about range: the minimum residual at the end of a trip.
If there a second car or little likelihood of needing to go back out soon after returning home then it's not an issue. However, if that need is a real possibility then it would impact charging requirements.
In my case I keep my ICE fuel level above 100 miles so I can get straight on the road to my elderly father when called and do any running about that's needed without having to stop. Running an EV that way would be impractical, aiui.
No doubt this is a rare situation but it would apply to anyone who can be called out with little or no notice.
I mean it’s a rather unbelievable situation - surely if you had an EV you’d just plug it in as soon as you got home and the 25 miles per hour charge rate would be sufficient? If there a second car or little likelihood of needing to go back out soon after returning home then it's not an issue. However, if that need is a real possibility then it would impact charging requirements.
In my case I keep my ICE fuel level above 100 miles so I can get straight on the road to my elderly father when called and do any running about that's needed without having to stop. Running an EV that way would be impractical, aiui.
No doubt this is a rare situation but it would apply to anyone who can be called out with little or no notice.
…. And in the VERY rare situation it isn’t, the fuel station being discussed in this thread would provide the solution ?
This particular scenario requires the car to be fully out of charge, there being no time at all to add the required miles to make the unexpected journey (which itself I presume cannot be delayed), and/or not enough time to add the miles to reach a rapid charger and/or not a rapid charger within range of the miles the nearly flat car had left anyway. And requires there is no second car to take.. Geez... I'd just call a taxi! How often is the above likely to happen!? I can afford an extra two taxi's per lifetime I think
My father suffered a heart attack a few years ago. I found out when I landed and finished work, drove straight to A&E which was 180 miles from where I worked at the time. He was in a bad way but recovered. Second heart attack he wasn’t so lucky. Unfortunately for me my car had just gone in to a garage for repairs. I tried for a taxi for 30 mins but none came and by the time I got to my parents he was gone. Missed him by about 20 mins my mum said. So yes for me I have the anxiety now. My mum is not in a good way. She lives 60 miles away from me. I know it’s still at least an hours drive but I always keep 100 miles minimum fuel in my car ready to go and if I need to 4 mins to fill up.
Yes car could breakdown or in my case went in for repair at the worst possible time but limiting risks for me.
As a pilot I could be away for a week so vampire drain is a concern. Twice I have seen AA called to rescue Tesla cars with no charge.
Depending on circumstances these situations might be higher in your priority. Mrs ready to give birth was another situation when car was ready. Waiting 30 mins for a charge could be too late!!!
Ok so you drive to a garage for a super charge etc. Every time I have filled up near me with 2 EV available one has always been out of order and the other being used when it works.
Edited by Aiminghigh123 on Tuesday 25th January 09:34
Aiminghigh123 said:
I’m sorry but I completely get this anxiety.
My father suffered a heart attack a few years ago. I found out when I landed and finished work, drove straight to A&E which was 180 miles from where I worked at the time. He was in a bad way but recovered. Second heart attack he wasn’t so lucky. Unfortunately for me my car had just gone in to a garage for repairs. I tried for a taxi for 30 mins but none came and by the time I got to my parents he was gone. Missed him by about 20 mins my mum said. So yes for me I have the anxiety now. My mum is not in a good way. She lives 60 miles away from me. I know it’s still at least an hours drive but I always keep 100 miles minimum fuel in my car ready to go and if I need to 4 mins to fill up.
Yes car could breakdown or in my case went in for repair at the worst possible time but limiting risks for me.
As a pilot I could be away for a week so vampire drain is a concern. Twice I have seen AA called to rescue Tesla cars with no charge.
Depending on circumstances these situations might be higher in your priority. Mrs ready to give birth was another situation when car was ready. Waiting 30 mins for a charge could be too late!!!
None of these scenarios phase me tbh. I might have been lucky to always have a "spare" car as well? Although never needed it.My father suffered a heart attack a few years ago. I found out when I landed and finished work, drove straight to A&E which was 180 miles from where I worked at the time. He was in a bad way but recovered. Second heart attack he wasn’t so lucky. Unfortunately for me my car had just gone in to a garage for repairs. I tried for a taxi for 30 mins but none came and by the time I got to my parents he was gone. Missed him by about 20 mins my mum said. So yes for me I have the anxiety now. My mum is not in a good way. She lives 60 miles away from me. I know it’s still at least an hours drive but I always keep 100 miles minimum fuel in my car ready to go and if I need to 4 mins to fill up.
Yes car could breakdown or in my case went in for repair at the worst possible time but limiting risks for me.
As a pilot I could be away for a week so vampire drain is a concern. Twice I have seen AA called to rescue Tesla cars with no charge.
Depending on circumstances these situations might be higher in your priority. Mrs ready to give birth was another situation when car was ready. Waiting 30 mins for a charge could be too late!!!
None of this could not be done with any decent EV on a whim. I used to drive my cars until they ran on fumes, but with an EV it's just convenient to plug it in. Now we always have at least 200km of range in our car. If I were to go somewhere for work that's a bit further and I want to be safe, I can usually plug it in there.
As above, range anxiety is a made up condition by people who never owned an EV.
PS: On the other hand, EV's have less to go wrong in the drivetrain so your chances of getting somewhere are actually better.
gmaz said:
Will it be broken, ICE'ed or occupied Anxiety: A disease that seems to primarily effect those who have bought an EV.
I have an BEV with a 90 mile range at about 60mph, and this is absolutely correct. Local trips only I keep telling myself, then setting off on a long trip say 100 mile and going through hell. gmaz said:
Will it be broken, ICE'ed or occupied Anxiety: A disease that seems to primarily effect those who have bought an EV.
I've been lucky on the SuC network, but having to venture out of that is indeed hit and miss so far.Italy was brilliant though, cars at chargers that aren't charging are just immediately towed. Consequence: everyone knows better than to park at a charger.
Regarding the road manners in Italy I do think it's the only way to enforce anything there but it does work brilliantly. I can recommend taking the EV through Italy for everyone. Also, even in the busier centers you often have chargers at the front gate, which are almost always available.
lost in espace said:
I have an BEV with a 90 mile range at about 60mph, and this is absolutely correct. Local trips only I keep telling myself, then setting off on a long trip say 100 mile and going through hell.
May I ask what car that would be? Early Leaf/Zoe?gmaz said:
TheDeuce said:
Range anxiety: A disease that seems to primarily effect those that don't yet have an EV.
Will it be broken, ICE'ed or occupied Anxiety: A disease that seems to primarily effect those who have bought an EV. 
It probably doesn't help that YouTubers seem obsessed with making videos where they conveniently stumble upon a broken charger.. then a working one but no space... then another that they don't have the right card for...
In reality all these things are easy to see before you even set off. The app will tell you if a charger is working and how many of the chargers are in use. I also tend to glance at the most recent reviews left for the charger - if it's damaged in some way and not actually useable then it's almost guaranteed there will be a few very recent angry reviews - not exactly rocket science!
And it's all nonsense anyway as most EV owners hardly ever use a public charger. In 2 years I think I've used 5 different public chargers, just once each. One actually was impossible to use as it kept crashing so I simply drove to the next one a few minutes away - that's honestly the biggest inconvenience I've had thus far.
ZesPak said:
Aiminghigh123 said:
I’m sorry but I completely get this anxiety.
My father suffered a heart attack a few years ago. I found out when I landed and finished work, drove straight to A&E which was 180 miles from where I worked at the time. He was in a bad way but recovered. Second heart attack he wasn’t so lucky. Unfortunately for me my car had just gone in to a garage for repairs. I tried for a taxi for 30 mins but none came and by the time I got to my parents he was gone. Missed him by about 20 mins my mum said. So yes for me I have the anxiety now. My mum is not in a good way. She lives 60 miles away from me. I know it’s still at least an hours drive but I always keep 100 miles minimum fuel in my car ready to go and if I need to 4 mins to fill up.
Yes car could breakdown or in my case went in for repair at the worst possible time but limiting risks for me.
As a pilot I could be away for a week so vampire drain is a concern. Twice I have seen AA called to rescue Tesla cars with no charge.
Depending on circumstances these situations might be higher in your priority. Mrs ready to give birth was another situation when car was ready. Waiting 30 mins for a charge could be too late!!!
None of these scenarios phase me tbh. I might have been lucky to always have a "spare" car as well? Although never needed it.My father suffered a heart attack a few years ago. I found out when I landed and finished work, drove straight to A&E which was 180 miles from where I worked at the time. He was in a bad way but recovered. Second heart attack he wasn’t so lucky. Unfortunately for me my car had just gone in to a garage for repairs. I tried for a taxi for 30 mins but none came and by the time I got to my parents he was gone. Missed him by about 20 mins my mum said. So yes for me I have the anxiety now. My mum is not in a good way. She lives 60 miles away from me. I know it’s still at least an hours drive but I always keep 100 miles minimum fuel in my car ready to go and if I need to 4 mins to fill up.
Yes car could breakdown or in my case went in for repair at the worst possible time but limiting risks for me.
As a pilot I could be away for a week so vampire drain is a concern. Twice I have seen AA called to rescue Tesla cars with no charge.
Depending on circumstances these situations might be higher in your priority. Mrs ready to give birth was another situation when car was ready. Waiting 30 mins for a charge could be too late!!!
None of this could not be done with any decent EV on a whim. I used to drive my cars until they ran on fumes, but with an EV it's just convenient to plug it in. Now we always have at least 200km of range in our car. If I were to go somewhere for work that's a bit further and I want to be safe, I can usually plug it in there.
As above, range anxiety is a made up condition by people who never owned an EV.
PS: On the other hand, EV's have less to go wrong in the drivetrain so your chances of getting somewhere are actually better.
I've put myself in Aiminghigh's shoes and I think there's not much more that anyone could do other than keep the car 'ready to go' as they are doing by keeping it with at least 100 miles range worth of fuel in the tank. I get that. But I do have to say in the same scenario I'd personally plug my EV in every night and whenever I'm not using it for a while and it would virtually always have 230 miles of range - that would be harder to do in daily driver ICE without very frequent visits to a petrol station.
There is also the other argument, that if I have to go a longish journey one day I could reduce my range to below the level required to then immediately make an unplanned emergency trip.. But then, the very fact I had made a longish journey could itself be the reason I can't respond to an emergency in time, because I could still be on the original journey 100 miles away from home and the wrong direction from wherever the emergency is. That would hugely delay my response time no matter what I was driving.
As ever, it is possible to imagine a set of freak circumstances which would flummox an EV driver whereas an ICE driver could cope. But.. should that trigger range anxiety? Why don't I suffer from range anxiety myself? I suppose it's because overall the EV is the most practical choice for a daily driver, and like endless other things, it's not worth worrying about the very minimal chance of something you rely on letting you down one day, because there's nothing you can do about it anyway. We all rely on things that could royally screw up our plans if they failed - but overall we use these things to enhance our lives.
I'm also confused as to why a pilot that is away for a week at a time sees the risk of a flat battery or empty fuel tank as a problem making an emergency trip. Surely the fact you're potentially not actually in the correct country when the emergency occurs is going to be by far the greatest impediment
NB: In a week, a poorly prepared Tesla would only lose about 40 miles tops. If your colleagues got back to find an empty battery and needed to call the AA, it was definitely avoidable.
TheDeuce said:
NB: In a week, a poorly prepared Tesla would only lose about 40 miles tops. If your colleagues got back to find an empty battery and needed to call the AA, it was definitely avoidable.
Not if you leave sentry mode on it won't, some in this thread are saying 7% a day.Easy to leave on if you don't know.
https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/sentry-mod...
TheRainMaker said:
TheDeuce said:
NB: In a week, a poorly prepared Tesla would only lose about 40 miles tops. If your colleagues got back to find an empty battery and needed to call the AA, it was definitely avoidable.
Not if you leave sentry mode on it won't, some in this thread are saying 7% a day.Easy to leave on if you don't know.
https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/sentry-mod...
- You have to turn it on initially
- You can disable it through the app if you left it on by accident
- It will stop working when the charge dips below 20%
I actually left mine on at the airport recently, went away for a week and lost about 20% of charge (busy spot close to the entrance). Still had plenty to get home, and it would have disabled sentry at 20% anyway. I checked the app once and saw that it was fine, otherwise would have disabled it through the app. So I'd figure to drain it so bad you wouldn't even get to the nearest charger, you'd still need at least 2 weeks to wear out that last 20%.
ZesPak said:
TheRainMaker said:
TheDeuce said:
NB: In a week, a poorly prepared Tesla would only lose about 40 miles tops. If your colleagues got back to find an empty battery and needed to call the AA, it was definitely avoidable.
Not if you leave sentry mode on it won't, some in this thread are saying 7% a day.Easy to leave on if you don't know.
https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/sentry-mod...
- You have to turn it on initially
- You can disable it through the app if you left it on by accident
- It will stop working when the charge dips below 20%
I actually left mine on at the airport recently, went away for a week and lost about 20% of charge (busy spot close to the entrance). Still had plenty to get home, and it would have disabled sentry at 20% anyway. I checked the app once and saw that it was fine, otherwise would have disabled it through the app. So I'd figure to drain it so bad you wouldn't even get to the nearest charger, you'd still need at least 2 weeks to wear out that last 20%.
I'm not intending to try it of course! Although I have noticed that when I've left my car with the airports meet and greet parking, after a few days checking in on the app takes a very long time - so perhaps that delay is caused by the car opting to sleep.
I've never worried about the charge level on my return anyway, because the meet and greet company we use always charge it for us the day before we return home
TheDeuce said:
ZesPak said:
Aiminghigh123 said:
I’m sorry but I completely get this anxiety.
My father suffered a heart attack a few years ago. I found out when I landed and finished work, drove straight to A&E which was 180 miles from where I worked at the time. He was in a bad way but recovered. Second heart attack he wasn’t so lucky. Unfortunately for me my car had just gone in to a garage for repairs. I tried for a taxi for 30 mins but none came and by the time I got to my parents he was gone. Missed him by about 20 mins my mum said. So yes for me I have the anxiety now. My mum is not in a good way. She lives 60 miles away from me. I know it’s still at least an hours drive but I always keep 100 miles minimum fuel in my car ready to go and if I need to 4 mins to fill up.
Yes car could breakdown or in my case went in for repair at the worst possible time but limiting risks for me.
As a pilot I could be away for a week so vampire drain is a concern. Twice I have seen AA called to rescue Tesla cars with no charge.
Depending on circumstances these situations might be higher in your priority. Mrs ready to give birth was another situation when car was ready. Waiting 30 mins for a charge could be too late!!!
None of these scenarios phase me tbh. I might have been lucky to always have a "spare" car as well? Although never needed it.My father suffered a heart attack a few years ago. I found out when I landed and finished work, drove straight to A&E which was 180 miles from where I worked at the time. He was in a bad way but recovered. Second heart attack he wasn’t so lucky. Unfortunately for me my car had just gone in to a garage for repairs. I tried for a taxi for 30 mins but none came and by the time I got to my parents he was gone. Missed him by about 20 mins my mum said. So yes for me I have the anxiety now. My mum is not in a good way. She lives 60 miles away from me. I know it’s still at least an hours drive but I always keep 100 miles minimum fuel in my car ready to go and if I need to 4 mins to fill up.
Yes car could breakdown or in my case went in for repair at the worst possible time but limiting risks for me.
As a pilot I could be away for a week so vampire drain is a concern. Twice I have seen AA called to rescue Tesla cars with no charge.
Depending on circumstances these situations might be higher in your priority. Mrs ready to give birth was another situation when car was ready. Waiting 30 mins for a charge could be too late!!!
None of this could not be done with any decent EV on a whim. I used to drive my cars until they ran on fumes, but with an EV it's just convenient to plug it in. Now we always have at least 200km of range in our car. If I were to go somewhere for work that's a bit further and I want to be safe, I can usually plug it in there.
As above, range anxiety is a made up condition by people who never owned an EV.
PS: On the other hand, EV's have less to go wrong in the drivetrain so your chances of getting somewhere are actually better.
I've put myself in Aiminghigh's shoes and I think there's not much more that anyone could do other than keep the car 'ready to go' as they are doing by keeping it with at least 100 miles range worth of fuel in the tank. I get that. But I do have to say in the same scenario I'd personally plug my EV in every night and whenever I'm not using it for a while and it would virtually always have 230 miles of range - that would be harder to do in daily driver ICE without very frequent visits to a petrol station.
There is also the other argument, that if I have to go a longish journey one day I could reduce my range to below the level required to then immediately make an unplanned emergency trip.. But then, the very fact I had made a longish journey could itself be the reason I can't respond to an emergency in time, because I could still be on the original journey 100 miles away from home and the wrong direction from wherever the emergency is. That would hugely delay my response time no matter what I was driving.
As ever, it is possible to imagine a set of freak circumstances which would flummox an EV driver whereas an ICE driver could cope. But.. should that trigger range anxiety? Why don't I suffer from range anxiety myself? I suppose it's because overall the EV is the most practical choice for a daily driver, and like endless other things, it's not worth worrying about the very minimal chance of something you rely on letting you down one day, because there's nothing you can do about it anyway. We all rely on things that could royally screw up our plans if they failed - but overall we use these things to enhance our lives.
I'm also confused as to why a pilot that is away for a week at a time sees the risk of a flat battery or empty fuel tank as a problem making an emergency trip. Surely the fact you're potentially not actually in the correct country when the emergency occurs is going to be by far the greatest impediment
NB: In a week, a poorly prepared Tesla would only lose about 40 miles tops. If your colleagues got back to find an empty battery and needed to call the AA, it was definitely avoidable.
I was close to getting a Tesla 3. Got offered one 3 years ago on PCP £620 a month with 30k mileage allowance.
I definitely think my current car might be my last daily ICE. More EV are appearing. Oddly my dad used to be a milkman and they were always EV back then. He never got stuck ever and this was back in the 70s.
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