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That's a fair point 
Clearly you need to be able to charge at home for all usage and have a Smart meter, but if you can and do, then Ovo Anytime is a bit of a no brainer as it is separate to your household tariff, just crediting you back the difference between your normal tariff and the 10p/kWh for the EV charge at the end of each month. It just works with a link between car app and Ovo app - seems really flexible and just works.
I thought this might be of interest to the person who asked.
Clearly you need to be able to charge at home for all usage and have a Smart meter, but if you can and do, then Ovo Anytime is a bit of a no brainer as it is separate to your household tariff, just crediting you back the difference between your normal tariff and the 10p/kWh for the EV charge at the end of each month. It just works with a link between car app and Ovo app - seems really flexible and just works.
I thought this might be of interest to the person who asked.
Sorry, not sure on the service cost as my one had it done as part of the purchase deal. They said it would involve a brake fluid change and I know they stripped/cleaned the rear drums as they sounded a bit rough (I've taken to giving it brake tests every now and again to clean up the discs/pads/drums).
Unfortunately OVO aren't (yet) compatible with solar panels so that knackered that one!
Oh, and the car lies. Two days ago it showed possible range of 201 miles. Over 1/1/2 days during which it averaged 6.2 miles/kWh it was all done at 165 miles. Ok, that's 5 more than claimed but it was never getting anywhere near what the guess-o-range-o-meter suggested in what were ideal very warm start stop journeys and fairly slow speeds. At least I now know first hand the best it will achieve!
Unfortunately OVO aren't (yet) compatible with solar panels so that knackered that one!
Oh, and the car lies. Two days ago it showed possible range of 201 miles. Over 1/1/2 days during which it averaged 6.2 miles/kWh it was all done at 165 miles. Ok, that's 5 more than claimed but it was never getting anywhere near what the guess-o-range-o-meter suggested in what were ideal very warm start stop journeys and fairly slow speeds. At least I now know first hand the best it will achieve!
stickylabels said:
Oh, and the car lies. Two days ago it showed possible range of 201 miles. Over 1/1/2 days during which it averaged 6.2 miles/kWh it was all done at 165 miles. Ok, that's 5 more than claimed but it was never getting anywhere near what the guess-o-range-o-meter suggested in what were ideal very warm start stop journeys and fairly slow speeds. At least I now know first hand the best it will achieve!
Don't forget the range reflects your driving style for your previous journey. So presumably you were driving even more economically before you fully charged the battery, and the 201 mile estimated range was based on that. Once you set off again the range adjusts to your current driving style and the outside temperature. Having said that, 6.2 x 32.3 kWh usable battery size = 200 mile range so something odd going on there. The only way I've ever seen an estimated 200 mile range is with a/c off and in ECO or ECO+ mode - switching a/c or heating on will knock a good 10 miles off the range, and going back to normal mode will take off some more.
I think ultimately the car isn't actually capable of a real world 200 miles regardless of driving style. The reason being the efficiency had increased from the previous average of 5.9 to 6.2 over those 1.5 days of driving. Ambient temps were up too. My default driving mode is eco, regen level 2 set and B mode used 'manually' when there is something to be gained. So yes, all the sums said it might be doable and eco + (which I don't use) might have coaxed another few extra miles but nothing like 200.
I rarely use a/c in any car but switched it on the previous week for about 1 minute......the range instantly dropped by almost 40 miles which is nuts. I now pop open the rear windows for some though flow air which seems to work fairly well.
Car has sat last couple days but sun is out now so will give a long slow charge from the panels and see where it ends up.
I rarely use a/c in any car but switched it on the previous week for about 1 minute......the range instantly dropped by almost 40 miles which is nuts. I now pop open the rear windows for some though flow air which seems to work fairly well.
Car has sat last couple days but sun is out now so will give a long slow charge from the panels and see where it ends up.
doesthiswork said:
Can anyone give me a rough idea of how much the first service (18k mile) will cost for a Mii, Citigo or e-up? Mine will be due in a month or so.
Thanks
To answer my own question, cheapest I found was £178, most expensive was £221 (Citygate VW, who also kept me on hold for 15 minutes, so they can FRO).Thanks
Everyone seemed keen to stress they'd be changing the pollen filter, as if that somehow justifies the price. It doesn't, it just reinforces how little else they have to do.
doesthiswork said:
To answer my own question, cheapest I found was £178, most expensive was £221 (Citygate VW, who also kept me on hold for 15 minutes, so they can FRO).
Everyone seemed keen to stress they'd be changing the pollen filter, as if that somehow justifies the price. It doesn't, it just reinforces how little else they have to do.
Interestingly I have had a quote from my local Seat Dealer who wanted to charge £45 for the pollen filter on top of a service. So service, pollen filter and brake fluid change was coming in at £240.Everyone seemed keen to stress they'd be changing the pollen filter, as if that somehow justifies the price. It doesn't, it just reinforces how little else they have to do.
Hmm, not surprised at those 'service' charges....A brake fluid change at an indy would be <£50, a pollen filter takes minutes to fit and is usually around @£20. Other than a literal kick of the tyres and check that nothing is amiss what else is there? Wiper blades, £25 quid and 5 mins to do yourself, or pay them (nothing do to with service 'history') what £70 ish?
They might argue that they plug it in to check the systems but unless there is an issue or they do an update, I would suggest they probably don't plug them in unless a problem has been reported.
Average over last 1600 miles has now increased overall to 6.0 m/kWh. It did sneak up to 6.1 but then I discovered the extra bit of throttle travel during the week...It feels a bit like an ordinary auto where you pressed through to the kick down switch at the bottom of the throttle travel, seems to give a bit more punch up to 30 mph or so.
They might argue that they plug it in to check the systems but unless there is an issue or they do an update, I would suggest they probably don't plug them in unless a problem has been reported.
Average over last 1600 miles has now increased overall to 6.0 m/kWh. It did sneak up to 6.1 but then I discovered the extra bit of throttle travel during the week...It feels a bit like an ordinary auto where you pressed through to the kick down switch at the bottom of the throttle travel, seems to give a bit more punch up to 30 mph or so.
somouk said:
doesthiswork said:
To answer my own question, cheapest I found was £178, most expensive was £221 (Citygate VW, who also kept me on hold for 15 minutes, so they can FRO).
Everyone seemed keen to stress they'd be changing the pollen filter, as if that somehow justifies the price. It doesn't, it just reinforces how little else they have to do.
Interestingly I have had a quote from my local Seat Dealer who wanted to charge £45 for the pollen filter on top of a service. So service, pollen filter and brake fluid change was coming in at £240.Everyone seemed keen to stress they'd be changing the pollen filter, as if that somehow justifies the price. It doesn't, it just reinforces how little else they have to do.
Extended ours until March, now the OH wants more range so the search for a replacement begins, already resigned to the fact we'll be paying more than double for the next car...
l354uge said:
somouk said:
doesthiswork said:
To answer my own question, cheapest I found was £178, most expensive was £221 (Citygate VW, who also kept me on hold for 15 minutes, so they can FRO).
Everyone seemed keen to stress they'd be changing the pollen filter, as if that somehow justifies the price. It doesn't, it just reinforces how little else they have to do.
Interestingly I have had a quote from my local Seat Dealer who wanted to charge £45 for the pollen filter on top of a service. So service, pollen filter and brake fluid change was coming in at £240.Everyone seemed keen to stress they'd be changing the pollen filter, as if that somehow justifies the price. It doesn't, it just reinforces how little else they have to do.
Extended ours until March, now the OH wants more range so the search for a replacement begins, already resigned to the fact we'll be paying more than double for the next car...
May well extend my lease next year too if the terms are OK.
First Mot tomorrow.....hope the emissions are ok.....
On a serious note, when purchased the driver's door speaker was kaput. Rather than phaff around waiting (it was on back order apparently) I put up with it thinking no worries for a few weeks. That was 6 months ago....Two weeks ago the passenger one failed so car is also supposed to be having that sorted together with a slightly flaky boot switch. Already had a bit of grump at the dealer so we will see if they do a decent job of things tomorrow!
On a more positive note, it is still averaging 6.0/6.1 m/kWh. Any thoughts of a more 'impressive' ev soon disappear when reports of low 3-4 m/kWh are read especially with the draconian depreciation in ev world at the moment. That of course may change over the next while as these things cycle around but it is still a concern nonetheless.
On a serious note, when purchased the driver's door speaker was kaput. Rather than phaff around waiting (it was on back order apparently) I put up with it thinking no worries for a few weeks. That was 6 months ago....Two weeks ago the passenger one failed so car is also supposed to be having that sorted together with a slightly flaky boot switch. Already had a bit of grump at the dealer so we will see if they do a decent job of things tomorrow!
On a more positive note, it is still averaging 6.0/6.1 m/kWh. Any thoughts of a more 'impressive' ev soon disappear when reports of low 3-4 m/kWh are read especially with the draconian depreciation in ev world at the moment. That of course may change over the next while as these things cycle around but it is still a concern nonetheless.
Mot all good and now have working speakers in the front doors again. It transpired that the car should have had speakers in the rear doors from the factory but they had never been fitted.....Dealer tried to get the assorted clips to fit but I needed the car back and the clips have still not arrived. Turns out, they have to drill out something on the rear doors to fit them and then phaff around some more. I can live without them until we all have more time and the bits are in stock.
Due to the delay on sorting this, the dealer went around the car and gave it a bit of a mini service, sorted some squeaks and rattles and gave it a nice clean and didn't charge for the mot either which nicely balances things off.
I reset everything for coming home and experimented with no regen set other than the occasional 'B' mode arriving at roundabouts. Lots national limit with 3 miles of 30/40 zone at the end. 5.8m/kWh overall sitting at 55mph for the majority, it doesn't half feel weird coasting along at close to the national limit though!
Due to the delay on sorting this, the dealer went around the car and gave it a bit of a mini service, sorted some squeaks and rattles and gave it a nice clean and didn't charge for the mot either which nicely balances things off.
I reset everything for coming home and experimented with no regen set other than the occasional 'B' mode arriving at roundabouts. Lots national limit with 3 miles of 30/40 zone at the end. 5.8m/kWh overall sitting at 55mph for the majority, it doesn't half feel weird coasting along at close to the national limit though!
The Wii Mii continues to go about its business and has cracked on through 15k miles now without protest. Just as well we want to keep for a bit longer as it appears to now be worth sweet FA. The same age Fiesta is still worth more or less the same as it was a year ago....
Temps are dropping here now but the overall average is still hovering around 6 m/kWh so decent advertised range of 160miles is still possible with care. I think over the next month will see a drop down into the 5's as the heater becomes a requirement and lights start going on. Let's see what happens.
Cheers
Temps are dropping here now but the overall average is still hovering around 6 m/kWh so decent advertised range of 160miles is still possible with care. I think over the next month will see a drop down into the 5's as the heater becomes a requirement and lights start going on. Let's see what happens.
Cheers
Mine is on 23k and tells me it wants a service
Alphabet lease say it not due for another 1000miles
I regularly see 200 miles range on a morning
Worked out using edf cheap rate 4.5p per unit it's under 1p per mile
Less actually as I use the solar panels mostly
Thinking I may buy it next march
What else is there new to have?
Alphabet lease say it not due for another 1000miles
I regularly see 200 miles range on a morning
Worked out using edf cheap rate 4.5p per unit it's under 1p per mile
Less actually as I use the solar panels mostly
Thinking I may buy it next march
What else is there new to have?
It's probably these smaller EV's that will do the most to getting people on board with an electric car. They're so cheap, so easy and effortless as a run around. Arguably the quiet and smooth drive also elevates them above 'towncar' too - assuming you travel light..
They're fantastic value used and can also be leased new for pretty much what a lot of people spend in fuel and maintenance on an old ICE car. Crazy good value, a no brainer for many. I bet there are people out there driving around an 'economical' old town car that would never believe a far newer electric one could overall actually cost them less over their ownership term.
They're fantastic value used and can also be leased new for pretty much what a lot of people spend in fuel and maintenance on an old ICE car. Crazy good value, a no brainer for many. I bet there are people out there driving around an 'economical' old town car that would never believe a far newer electric one could overall actually cost them less over their ownership term.
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