Dealer: the Taycan was good for us; it's now a disaster

Dealer: the Taycan was good for us; it's now a disaster

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SWoll

18,374 posts

258 months

Friday 24th March 2023
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ChocolateFrog said:
Monkeylegend said:
ChocolateFrog said:
They're not rare, see them all the time and I live in a pretty poor area.

Probably the most common Porsche you actually see on the roads.
Like the analogy of the person who says they have 30 years experience of something when in reality it is one years experience repeated 30 times smile
Almost 30% of the cars they sold last year were Taycans (in the UK), I stand by my statement.

Edited by ChocolateFrog on Thursday 23 March 22:25
30% of a small number is an even smaller number. The Taycan didn't make the top 10 BEV sales list in 2022 and wasn't even Porsche's best selling car. Porsche's total UK sales across all models in 2022 were less than Tesla Model 3 sales.



As I mentioned earlier there are more Cayenne's and Macan's on the road than there are Taycans, and by a huge margin. That's facts versus perception I'm afraid.

raspy

1,471 posts

94 months

Friday 24th March 2023
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ChocolateFrog said:
Almost 30% of the cars they sold last year were Taycans (in the UK), I stand by my statement.

Edited by ChocolateFrog on Thursday 23 March 22:25
Your statement is flawed. It's a rare car, even if you don't perceive it to be.

1.65 million new cars registered on UK roads during 2021. How many of them were Taycans? Over 4,000 according to Porsche GB.

That's just 0.24% of new cars in 2021 which were Taycans.

Flying machine

1,132 posts

176 months

Friday 24th March 2023
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anonymous said:
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This article is referencing cars between 3 and 10 years old. So that wont include the Taycan then, and is totally irrelevant to a discussion about, the Taycan. The cars caught by this sort of warranty company are probably not the best examples anyway and likely to be owned by people who for whatever reason (cost probably) don't renew and maintain an OPC warranty, which covers everything pretty much IME, no hassle.

Flying machine

1,132 posts

176 months

Friday 24th March 2023
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anonymous said:
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Is this based on your experience as an owner of a new Taycan, or just internet conjecture? I've never had any problems booking cars in for service or repairs with Porsche, petrol or EV. IME I don't recognise no "lengthly (sic) delays to fit you in like they are doing you a favour, lack of parts, being without the car you have paid for for a long time". I am probably fortunate not to have suffered with the heater failure that some have - that does sound utterly miserable.

Everything is made to a budget, everywhere, Porsche being no different. Compared to the Tesla that I had before, the Taycan feels a much nicer car, as it should IMO as it cost a lot more.

Benny Saltstein

643 posts

213 months

Friday 24th March 2023
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Are there similar issues with the Etron GT in terms of reliability (actual or perceived) and residual values?

In spite of the lesser range, lack of charging infrastructure etc etc, the Taycan and Etron GT are the only EVs which would appeal when I decide to change out of my Model 3. Nothing else really appeals although I have a secret guilty appreciation of the iX.

cb31

1,142 posts

136 months

Friday 24th March 2023
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I read somewhere that the Tacan suffered a lot more than most cars due to the Ukraine war where a lot of parts were sourced. They had to get replacements at short notice from elsewhere and seemingly they were of a lower quality which is causing issues later. Sounds reasonable but who knows if it is true or not.

DMZ

1,396 posts

160 months

Friday 24th March 2023
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Benny Saltstein said:
Are there similar issues with the Etron GT in terms of reliability (actual or perceived) and residual values?

In spite of the lesser range, lack of charging infrastructure etc etc, the Taycan and Etron GT are the only EVs which would appeal when I decide to change out of my Model 3. Nothing else really appeals although I have a secret guilty appreciation of the iX.
It's a good question. It'd be interesting if the Audi contained Audi bits that work better and were tested properly. It's not like you need Porsche supposedly made out of unobtainium bits in an EV. The internet is not full of negativity around the Audi etron GT. It's possible that they learnt from the SUV (which has a good reputation from what I know) and carried some of the non-drivetrain stuff over. Like the heater.

Soupdragon65

63 posts

13 months

Friday 24th March 2023
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It’s possibly also why the Asian and US manufacturers may. It have been as badly affected as their supply chains are different?

Flying machine

1,132 posts

176 months

Friday 24th March 2023
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anonymous said:
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Fair enough, I am interested to hear about your ownership of which Porsche's in general though as you seem to think that they are all just cheap parts. Which models do/did you own? From new or old tatty examples? Not the Taycan presumably? As we are on a Taycan thread in the EV section I thought that this would be the relevant model to discuss, hence the Tesla comparison.

Flying machine

1,132 posts

176 months

Friday 24th March 2023
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DMZ said:
Benny Saltstein said:
Are there similar issues with the Etron GT in terms of reliability (actual or perceived) and residual values?

In spite of the lesser range, lack of charging infrastructure etc etc, the Taycan and Etron GT are the only EVs which would appeal when I decide to change out of my Model 3. Nothing else really appeals although I have a secret guilty appreciation of the iX.
It's a good question. It'd be interesting if the Audi contained Audi bits that work better and were tested properly. It's not like you need Porsche supposedly made out of unobtainium bits in an EV. The internet is not full of negativity around the Audi etron GT. It's possible that they learnt from the SUV (which has a good reputation from what I know) and carried some of the non-drivetrain stuff over. Like the heater.
It is an interesting question - I seem to remember that when both cars were announced it was suggested that there were shared parts in the drivetrain? Or I might be wrong. I've not seen many etron GT's on the road.

Flying machine

1,132 posts

176 months

Friday 24th March 2023
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anonymous said:
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Wow! That is quite a list of problems on what is essentially a new car and I can understand you being left unimpressed!

P. ONeill

1,455 posts

52 months

Friday 24th March 2023
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Could someone point me in the direction of one of these ‘cheap’ Taycans? Cheapest one locally is still over £70k

hot metal

1,943 posts

193 months

Monday 27th March 2023
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Mutton said:
I think Taycan values will see a sharp increase once the weather turns mild and there is less need for a car with a functioning heater.
Wow, you`re really selling it to me

Monkeylegend

26,386 posts

231 months

Monday 27th March 2023
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hot metal said:
Mutton said:
I think Taycan values will see a sharp increase once the weather turns mild and there is less need for a car with a functioning heater.
Wow, you`re really selling it to me
That's when you find the air con isn't working either hehe

rodericb

6,743 posts

126 months

Monday 27th March 2023
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If it was a Tesla you could just fire up the fireplace app on that big screen.

grahamsimmonds

54 posts

111 months

Wednesday 5th April 2023
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On my second Taycan now. Simply the best EV currently available bar none and more than a match for its siblings in the Porsche ICE range.


Discombobulate

4,840 posts

186 months

Wednesday 5th April 2023
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grahamsimmonds said:
On my second Taycan now. Simply the best EV currently available bar none and more than a match for its siblings in the Porsche ICE range.

Not for reliability sadly. But I agree, a great drive when it's working.

DonkeyApple

55,281 posts

169 months

Wednesday 5th April 2023
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anonymous said:
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Low income workers are not net contributors but net recipients. The tax breaks on EVs are being paid out of the net contributions of higher rate tax payers. It's command economics in order to build a free market on the back of higher income earners that can then benefit lower income earners.

raspy

1,471 posts

94 months

Wednesday 5th April 2023
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DonkeyApple said:
Low income workers are not net contributors but net recipients. The tax breaks on EVs are being paid out of the net contributions of higher rate tax payers. It's command economics in order to build a free market on the back of higher income earners that can then benefit lower income earners.
Indeed. All these people posting here with allegations, opinions and plain jealousy, yet they don't even bother to examine the actual statistics when it comes to where most of the tax receipts in this country come from.

"Income tax payments are concentrated amongst those with the largest incomes. The 10% of income taxpayers with the largest incomes contribute over 60% of income tax receipts."

"The Institute for Fiscal Studies (IFS) – an economic think tank – has analysed how much households pay in tax. Their analysis – which covers around three quarters of tax revenues (including income tax, NICs, VAT, excise duties and council tax) – found that the 50% of households with the largest incomes contribute around 78% of taxes."

Source: Tax statistics published by the government on 16 Jan 2023
https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-brie...

DonkeyApple

55,281 posts

169 months

Wednesday 5th April 2023
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Yup. I'm not a fan of subsidies such as this and I certainly believe that EVs could have been easily incentivised via credit solutions as a far smarter and less socially abrasive means as well as being less market distorting but as a means to an end, that end being to force the formation of a viable market, it's one being paid for by the correct section of society, those who can afford to do so.

As for dealers whinging, meh! Let the actual market find the value of the cars for a change. We can't have the price of used goods forever going up nor has the year 3 price manipulations by the manufacturers done anyone any favours. It's actually refreshing to potentially see values breaking from vendor control and free to find their true worth in a free market.