Dealer: the Taycan was good for us; it's now a disaster
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ChocolateFrog said:
Monkeylegend said:
ChocolateFrog said:
They're not rare, see them all the time and I live in a pretty poor area.
Probably the most common Porsche you actually see on the roads.
Like the analogy of the person who says they have 30 years experience of something when in reality it is one years experience repeated 30 times Probably the most common Porsche you actually see on the roads.
Edited by ChocolateFrog on Thursday 23 March 22:25
As I mentioned earlier there are more Cayenne's and Macan's on the road than there are Taycans, and by a huge margin. That's facts versus perception I'm afraid.
ChocolateFrog said:
Almost 30% of the cars they sold last year were Taycans (in the UK), I stand by my statement.
Your statement is flawed. It's a rare car, even if you don't perceive it to be. Edited by ChocolateFrog on Thursday 23 March 22:25
1.65 million new cars registered on UK roads during 2021. How many of them were Taycans? Over 4,000 according to Porsche GB.
That's just 0.24% of new cars in 2021 which were Taycans.
anonymous said:
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This article is referencing cars between 3 and 10 years old. So that wont include the Taycan then, and is totally irrelevant to a discussion about, the Taycan. The cars caught by this sort of warranty company are probably not the best examples anyway and likely to be owned by people who for whatever reason (cost probably) don't renew and maintain an OPC warranty, which covers everything pretty much IME, no hassle. anonymous said:
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Is this based on your experience as an owner of a new Taycan, or just internet conjecture? I've never had any problems booking cars in for service or repairs with Porsche, petrol or EV. IME I don't recognise no "lengthly (sic) delays to fit you in like they are doing you a favour, lack of parts, being without the car you have paid for for a long time". I am probably fortunate not to have suffered with the heater failure that some have - that does sound utterly miserable. Everything is made to a budget, everywhere, Porsche being no different. Compared to the Tesla that I had before, the Taycan feels a much nicer car, as it should IMO as it cost a lot more.
Are there similar issues with the Etron GT in terms of reliability (actual or perceived) and residual values?
In spite of the lesser range, lack of charging infrastructure etc etc, the Taycan and Etron GT are the only EVs which would appeal when I decide to change out of my Model 3. Nothing else really appeals although I have a secret guilty appreciation of the iX.
In spite of the lesser range, lack of charging infrastructure etc etc, the Taycan and Etron GT are the only EVs which would appeal when I decide to change out of my Model 3. Nothing else really appeals although I have a secret guilty appreciation of the iX.
I read somewhere that the Tacan suffered a lot more than most cars due to the Ukraine war where a lot of parts were sourced. They had to get replacements at short notice from elsewhere and seemingly they were of a lower quality which is causing issues later. Sounds reasonable but who knows if it is true or not.
Benny Saltstein said:
Are there similar issues with the Etron GT in terms of reliability (actual or perceived) and residual values?
In spite of the lesser range, lack of charging infrastructure etc etc, the Taycan and Etron GT are the only EVs which would appeal when I decide to change out of my Model 3. Nothing else really appeals although I have a secret guilty appreciation of the iX.
It's a good question. It'd be interesting if the Audi contained Audi bits that work better and were tested properly. It's not like you need Porsche supposedly made out of unobtainium bits in an EV. The internet is not full of negativity around the Audi etron GT. It's possible that they learnt from the SUV (which has a good reputation from what I know) and carried some of the non-drivetrain stuff over. Like the heater. In spite of the lesser range, lack of charging infrastructure etc etc, the Taycan and Etron GT are the only EVs which would appeal when I decide to change out of my Model 3. Nothing else really appeals although I have a secret guilty appreciation of the iX.
anonymous said:
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Fair enough, I am interested to hear about your ownership of which Porsche's in general though as you seem to think that they are all just cheap parts. Which models do/did you own? From new or old tatty examples? Not the Taycan presumably? As we are on a Taycan thread in the EV section I thought that this would be the relevant model to discuss, hence the Tesla comparison. DMZ said:
Benny Saltstein said:
Are there similar issues with the Etron GT in terms of reliability (actual or perceived) and residual values?
In spite of the lesser range, lack of charging infrastructure etc etc, the Taycan and Etron GT are the only EVs which would appeal when I decide to change out of my Model 3. Nothing else really appeals although I have a secret guilty appreciation of the iX.
It's a good question. It'd be interesting if the Audi contained Audi bits that work better and were tested properly. It's not like you need Porsche supposedly made out of unobtainium bits in an EV. The internet is not full of negativity around the Audi etron GT. It's possible that they learnt from the SUV (which has a good reputation from what I know) and carried some of the non-drivetrain stuff over. Like the heater. In spite of the lesser range, lack of charging infrastructure etc etc, the Taycan and Etron GT are the only EVs which would appeal when I decide to change out of my Model 3. Nothing else really appeals although I have a secret guilty appreciation of the iX.
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Low income workers are not net contributors but net recipients. The tax breaks on EVs are being paid out of the net contributions of higher rate tax payers. It's command economics in order to build a free market on the back of higher income earners that can then benefit lower income earners. DonkeyApple said:
Low income workers are not net contributors but net recipients. The tax breaks on EVs are being paid out of the net contributions of higher rate tax payers. It's command economics in order to build a free market on the back of higher income earners that can then benefit lower income earners.
Indeed. All these people posting here with allegations, opinions and plain jealousy, yet they don't even bother to examine the actual statistics when it comes to where most of the tax receipts in this country come from. "Income tax payments are concentrated amongst those with the largest incomes. The 10% of income taxpayers with the largest incomes contribute over 60% of income tax receipts."
"The Institute for Fiscal Studies (IFS) – an economic think tank – has analysed how much households pay in tax. Their analysis – which covers around three quarters of tax revenues (including income tax, NICs, VAT, excise duties and council tax) – found that the 50% of households with the largest incomes contribute around 78% of taxes."
Source: Tax statistics published by the government on 16 Jan 2023
https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-brie...
Yup. I'm not a fan of subsidies such as this and I certainly believe that EVs could have been easily incentivised via credit solutions as a far smarter and less socially abrasive means as well as being less market distorting but as a means to an end, that end being to force the formation of a viable market, it's one being paid for by the correct section of society, those who can afford to do so.
As for dealers whinging, meh! Let the actual market find the value of the cars for a change. We can't have the price of used goods forever going up nor has the year 3 price manipulations by the manufacturers done anyone any favours. It's actually refreshing to potentially see values breaking from vendor control and free to find their true worth in a free market.
As for dealers whinging, meh! Let the actual market find the value of the cars for a change. We can't have the price of used goods forever going up nor has the year 3 price manipulations by the manufacturers done anyone any favours. It's actually refreshing to potentially see values breaking from vendor control and free to find their true worth in a free market.
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