iPace-enomics

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SWoll

18,449 posts

259 months

Thursday 25th April
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dmsims said:
It's a report that you can request from the dealer:

Custard:

Assuming that is for the car in the advert, the issue is with no other points of reference it's impossible to tell whether that is good or bad for a 6 year old 92k mile example?

Doing a bit of research 2% degradation per year when covering 10k miles is about average so this car being at 85% after almost 6 years and 15k miles per year looks about right? Assuming that continues at a similar rate then in another 5 years it'll be around 75%, which will still offer a very useable range for a lot of potential buyers (150-200 miles)?

dmsims

6,539 posts

268 months

Thursday 25th April
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It's not the car in the advert

I've seen a few - it's carp - compare it with Tesla

Given that range is already ~200 miles - knock off 25% then buffer/safety for finding a charger and where are you ?

SWoll said:
Assuming that is for the car in the advert, the issue is with no other points of reference it's impossible to tell whether that is good or bad for a 6 year old 92k mile example?

Doing a bit of research 2% degradation per year when covering 10k miles is about average so this car being at 85% after almost 6 years and 15k miles per year looks about right? Assuming that continues at a similar rate then in another 5 years it'll be around 75%, which will still offer a very useable range for a lot of potential buyers (150-200 miles)?

blueacid

448 posts

142 months

Thursday 25th April
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cj2013 said:
What's the craic there? They do tend to have the best prices around.

They do seem to be a bit of a PITA with a lot of stock though - anything you might be interested in (even that one, for example) appears to be 'reserved'. Not sure how, as they don't have the AT option, and there's nothing on their website either.

There's a strong chance I'd have taken a risk on it if they'd have been willing to even offer it for sale, but that weird "I know you're hear but some random person who isn't here has bagsy'd a look at it" way of doing this is quite off-putting
My experience with them was not good. I put a deposit down on a Tesla they had for sale, travelled 2 hours to view it. "Sorry, sir, not sure why that vehicle is available for sale - it's broken, awaiting parts, won't enter Drive or Reverse".

"Okay, can I see another of the Teslas you've got for sale?"
"yes, but you can only drive them if you commit to buy it first".

Interestingly, the day after, my pal called about the first Tesla; "Yes, sure, come see it, it's ready to go, feel free to put a deposit down!".

Your experience might vary, of course, but for me that was enough for me to demand my deposit to be returned & to leave.

cj2013

1,396 posts

127 months

Thursday 25th April
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blueacid said:
My experience with them was not good. I put a deposit down on a Tesla they had for sale, travelled 2 hours to view it. "Sorry, sir, not sure why that vehicle is available for sale - it's broken, awaiting parts, won't enter Drive or Reverse".

"Okay, can I see another of the Teslas you've got for sale?"
"yes, but you can only drive them if you commit to buy it first".

Interestingly, the day after, my pal called about the first Tesla; "Yes, sure, come see it, it's ready to go, feel free to put a deposit down!".

Your experience might vary, of course, but for me that was enough for me to demand my deposit to be returned & to leave.
I'd generally say that no one there seemed too interested in actually selling a vehicle.

Shame, considering how all of the decent priced examples come from one of their locations

SWoll

18,449 posts

259 months

Friday 26th April
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dmsims said:
It's not the car in the advert

I've seen a few - it's carp - compare it with Tesla

Given that range is already ~200 miles - knock off 25% then buffer/safety for finding a charger and where are you ?
Meaningless without context, and as above around 2% degradation per year appears to be the accepted norm for the vast majority of EV's and the iPace has been around for 6 years now.

An iPace will average around 2.5 miles/kWh so when new will do around 215 miles with its 85 kWh battery. (CarWow managed 223 miles on the motorway in their EV range test)

Knock off 20% and a ten year old car should still average 170 miles. I could live with that very easily, as I'm sure could many other potential purchasers

dmsims

6,539 posts

268 months

Friday 26th April
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1. Compare degradation to Tesla (it's much higher on the Jag)

2. Older cars (which is what we are discussing) will not do the range you are suggesting

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVJEfgeo-MA

The Carwow test drove them till they died - are you going to that in real life?


SWoll said:
Meaningless without context, and as above around 2% degradation per year appears to be the accepted norm for the vast majority of EV's and the iPace has been around for 6 years now.

An iPace will average around 2.5 miles/kWh so when new will do around 215 miles with its 85 kWh battery. (CarWow managed 223 miles on the motorway in their EV range test)

Knock off 20% and a ten year old car should still average 170 miles. I could live with that very easily, as I'm sure could many other potential purchasers