Renault 5 e-tech
Discussion
nickpan said:
Main questions I am pondering:
- is it just a very very pretty Zoe? We’ve owned our Zoe for 3 years and it has been great but driving position and dynamics leave a lot to be desired
- Is it worth holding out for the A290, or is the R5 90% of the A290 for 70% of the cost?
It's a "new" platform, but has origins ahead of the A-pillar from the Captur, with the rear multlink suspension from a 4x4 Duster, with electricals from the Megane.- is it just a very very pretty Zoe? We’ve owned our Zoe for 3 years and it has been great but driving position and dynamics leave a lot to be desired
- Is it worth holding out for the A290, or is the R5 90% of the A290 for 70% of the cost?
From Renault:
"Used for the first time on the future electric Renault 5, the new CMF-B EV platform will have to take on its position as the most competitive in its segment, while offering best-in-class performance. The platform has therefore taken 70% of the parts featured on the CMF-B platform used for Clio and Captur. Compared to ZOE, the CMF-B EV platform is 30% cheaper to manufacture."
Not aware of any carryover from the Zoe.
It shouldn't work, but sounds like it does... interested to drive it, and the 180/220 Alpine variants, and the Mini Cooper SE.
Edited by ian_c_uk on Friday 4th October 17:04
nickpan said:
Thanks guys. Valuable feedback as always.
Anybody got a A110 as well? I’d have to part with my A110 to get either the R5 or the 290 which makes the decision even harder!
Eh? That's not a difficult decision, just an odd one - you either want the lighter, faster A110 or the slower, heavier R5/290.Anybody got a A110 as well? I’d have to part with my A110 to get either the R5 or the 290 which makes the decision even harder!
I like EV's, and there are great sporty examples of them now.. but not from Renault/Alpine.
Regardless of powertrain type, the actual car types you are comparing are apples v oranges.
I find it a bit strange that PH decided to not run an article on the Renault 5 (ignoring the Skoda Elroq reveal I get as less of a milestone), a long-awaited, good value, smaller electric car for the masses, and yet run that clickbait article about private EV sales being less than Diesel.
If it was purely about web traffic, I suspect an R5 article would have generated even more ‘discussion’
If it was purely about web traffic, I suspect an R5 article would have generated even more ‘discussion’
Big fan of the aesthetic and the concept. Though, I think it's generating a lot of interest because of the name plate. The range and speed is poor. The similar Honda E has struggled, and, whilst this is cheaper, I think it's more of a Fiat 500e than the 205 GTI or R5 GT we are hoping for. A true European city car.
It's easy to forget part of the appeal of old small, light and low powered euroboxes was getting them in the right rev band, timing overtakes and the buzzy noise etc. All that is gone in EVs. Really hope the alpine will bring a little more oomph.
It's easy to forget part of the appeal of old small, light and low powered euroboxes was getting them in the right rev band, timing overtakes and the buzzy noise etc. All that is gone in EVs. Really hope the alpine will bring a little more oomph.
SmithCorona said:
Big fan of the aesthetic and the concept. Though, I think it's generating a lot of interest because of the name plate. The range and speed is poor. The similar Honda E has struggled, and, whilst this is cheaper, I think it's more of a Fiat 500e than the 205 GTI or R5 GT we are hoping for. A true European city car.
It's easy to forget part of the appeal of old small, light and low powered euroboxes was getting them in the right rev band, timing overtakes and the buzzy noise etc. All that is gone in EVs. Really hope the alpine will bring a little more oomph.
I agree. For a modern electric R5 to have a trick up it's sleeve, it needs to be surprisingly punchy.It's easy to forget part of the appeal of old small, light and low powered euroboxes was getting them in the right rev band, timing overtakes and the buzzy noise etc. All that is gone in EVs. Really hope the alpine will bring a little more oomph.
Renault are playing a little too soft with the line up. The new supposed equivalent of the R5 GT is now slower compared to contemporary cars than the original R5 GT was in its day. That's just plain wrong! It'd supposed to be a mentalist hatch, not just a luke warm one.
Renault have become a mumsie brand, as have Peugeot. But all the mums I know want a German SUV! I'm not sure who they're aiming for anymore.
SmithCorona said:
Big fan of the aesthetic and the concept. Though, I think it's generating a lot of interest because of the name plate. The range and speed is poor. The similar Honda E has struggled, and, whilst this is cheaper, I think it's more of a Fiat 500e than the 205 GTI or R5 GT we are hoping for. A true European city car.
It's easy to forget part of the appeal of old small, light and low powered euroboxes was getting them in the right rev band, timing overtakes and the buzzy noise etc. All that is gone in EVs. Really hope the alpine will bring a little more oomph.
With the Alpine also being released, there was no way they were going to make a “quick” version. Your typical R5 owner won’t give a stuff about 0-60 times. It's easy to forget part of the appeal of old small, light and low powered euroboxes was getting them in the right rev band, timing overtakes and the buzzy noise etc. All that is gone in EVs. Really hope the alpine will bring a little more oomph.
plfrench said:
I find it a bit strange that PH decided to not run an article on the Renault 5 (ignoring the Skoda Elroq reveal I get as less of a milestone), a long-awaited, good value, smaller electric car for the masses, and yet run that clickbait article about private EV sales being less than Diesel.
If it was purely about web traffic, I suspect an R5 article would have generated even more ‘discussion’
Whatever the circumstances were this week that would have permitted publications about the Renault 5 electric have resulted in very few articles from established publications and almost precisely zero YouTube videos. In that context PH’s response doesn’t seem quite so odd. Quite what were these circumstances? I can only imagine there is some planned future presentation from Renault that will produce an absolute avalanche of articles. I can’t imagine PH wouldn’t want to be part of that.If it was purely about web traffic, I suspect an R5 article would have generated even more ‘discussion’
I got a bit excited when I read the contribution above that some sort of embargo was about to be lifted.
scenario8 said:
Whatever the circumstances were this week that would have permitted publications about the Renault 5 electric have resulted in very few articles from established publications and almost precisely zero YouTube videos. In that context PH’s response doesn’t seem quite so odd. Quite what were these circumstances? I can only imagine there is some planned future presentation from Renault that will produce an absolute avalanche of articles. I can’t imagine PH wouldn’t want to be part of that.
I got a bit excited when I read the contribution above that some sort of embargo was about to be lifted.
I’ve read that UK pricing comes out this week, so perhaps Renault might be doing a bit more of a launch then.. would sort of make sense. I got a bit excited when I read the contribution above that some sort of embargo was about to be lifted.
TheDeuce said:
I agree. For a modern electric R5 to have a trick up it's sleeve, it needs to be surprisingly punchy.
Renault are playing a little too soft with the line up. The new supposed equivalent of the R5 GT is now slower compared to contemporary cars than the original R5 GT was in its day. That's just plain wrong! It'd supposed to be a mentalist hatch, not just a luke warm one.
Renault have become a mumsie brand, as have Peugeot. But all the mums I know want a German SUV! I'm not sure who they're aiming for anymore.
What would be the point? Renault are playing a little too soft with the line up. The new supposed equivalent of the R5 GT is now slower compared to contemporary cars than the original R5 GT was in its day. That's just plain wrong! It'd supposed to be a mentalist hatch, not just a luke warm one.
Renault have become a mumsie brand, as have Peugeot. But all the mums I know want a German SUV! I'm not sure who they're aiming for anymore.
Having a hot hatch even with the performance of an original R5 Turbo or 205 GTi is pretty pointless given the massive increase in traffic, reduction in speed limits and proliferation of speed cameras since then.
HTP99 said:
The Rotrex Kid said:
df76 said:
nickpan said:
Main questions I am pondering:
- is it just a very very pretty Zoe? We’ve owned our Zoe for 3 years and it has been great but driving position and dynamics leave a lot to be desired
- Is it worth holding out for the A290, or is the R5 90% of the A290 for 70% of the cost?
You can only go by what's been written in the various reviews, but it seems that..- is it just a very very pretty Zoe? We’ve owned our Zoe for 3 years and it has been great but driving position and dynamics leave a lot to be desired
- Is it worth holding out for the A290, or is the R5 90% of the A290 for 70% of the cost?
Q1. No, it looks to be a significant step forward as compared to a Zoe (and many other rivals).
Q2. Possibly, but it really depends on what you want from your car. The A290 will be a "warm" hatch, and the R5 doesn't appear to be that.
Overall it's a great looking car, and for the pricing, it's competitive, but you could buy a 1 year old ZOE for half the price and is the R5 twice the car? Perhaps!
Glosphil said:
Wasn't the Zoe given a low safety rating because it wasn't fitted with the latest electronic driver aids which are meant to help avoid collidions, not mitigate the results. The aids drivers are saying they want to switch off.
Partly that, but also because for some bizarre reason they removed 2 of the airbags that were present in the earlier models.
Kermit power said:
What would be the point?
Having a hot hatch even with the performance of an original R5 Turbo or 205 GTi is pretty pointless given the massive increase in traffic, reduction in speed limits and proliferation of speed cameras since then.
bingo! this is PH, so fair enough to concentrate on the hottest variant. however, this is really about the base R5 which will hopefully be priced at a point where it becomes a like for like purchase against a similarly specced ICE vehicle.Having a hot hatch even with the performance of an original R5 Turbo or 205 GTi is pretty pointless given the massive increase in traffic, reduction in speed limits and proliferation of speed cameras since then.
giveitfish said:
Glosphil said:
Wasn't the Zoe given a low safety rating because it wasn't fitted with the latest electronic driver aids which are meant to help avoid collidions, not mitigate the results. The aids drivers are saying they want to switch off.
Partly that, but also because for some bizarre reason they removed 2 of the airbags that were present in the earlier models.I seem to recall it being said that if the airbags were re-instated the car would have achieved 1 star.
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