Kia EV6, Ioniq 5, Ford Mustang Mach-E, or Tesla Model Y?
Discussion
Evanivitch said:
Scabutz said:
That's my point. I've charged my EV6 with absolutely no effort or pain at all. Pull up, plug in, tap a button in the app. Done. Unless the Tesla chargers are going to give me a reach around I don't get it. Plus my Kia can charge at 800v and be done it less time than a long piss and short queue for coffee at Starbucks
How did you find the charger? How did you know it was high powered? How certain were you it was working and not busy? Was your car pre-heating for best charging performance?Even going back just a few years you'd be asking is your car compatible and do you have the right app!
All issues you can handle yourself I'm sure, but more effort than putting destination into the Tesla Sat nav.
Evanivitch said:
Scabutz said:
That's my point. I've charged my EV6 with absolutely no effort or pain at all. Pull up, plug in, tap a button in the app. Done. Unless the Tesla chargers are going to give me a reach around I don't get it. Plus my Kia can charge at 800v and be done it less time than a long piss and short queue for coffee at Starbucks
How did you find the charger? How did you know it was high powered? How certain were you it was working and not busy? Was your car pre-heating for best charging performance?Even going back just a few years you'd be asking is your car compatible and do you have the right app!
All issues you can handle yourself I'm sure, but more effort than putting destination into the Tesla Sat nav.
Its been years since all new rapid chargers were required to not demand an app... Its now virtually impossible to find one 100kw upwards that requires an app.
Pretty much all EV mapping software, Google maps, electroverse etc reports charger availability, last time used (to show it's actually functional) and will also pre-condition the battery if a charge is known to be incoming. This isn't tech, it's just software refined for common sense.
The Tesla USP is all but gone. They're still arguably the slickest at making charging simple for dumb dumbs but.. if you happen to prefer an EV that happens to not be a Tesla, it's no longer a deal breaker.
TheDeuce said:
My EV does all that now too. That's the point - hats off to a Tesla for leading the way, but it's all easy enough to replicate and has been.
Its been years since all new rapid chargers were required to not demand an app... Its now virtually impossible to find one 100kw upwards that requires an app.
Pretty much all EV mapping software, Google maps, electroverse etc reports charger availability, last time used (to show it's actually functional) and will also pre-condition the battery if a charge is known to be incoming. This isn't tech, it's just software refined for common sense.
The Tesla USP is all but gone. They're still arguably the slickest at making charging simple for dumb dumbs but.. if you happen to prefer an EV that happens to not be a Tesla, it's no longer a deal breaker.
Agree, but just to nitpick: improving on all Tesla has done has required some engineering (800V architectures, for example) and enough trust and goodwill between competing companies to allow standardisation and joint ventures (Plug-n-Charge standard, Digital Charging Solutions GmbH). Its been years since all new rapid chargers were required to not demand an app... Its now virtually impossible to find one 100kw upwards that requires an app.
Pretty much all EV mapping software, Google maps, electroverse etc reports charger availability, last time used (to show it's actually functional) and will also pre-condition the battery if a charge is known to be incoming. This isn't tech, it's just software refined for common sense.
The Tesla USP is all but gone. They're still arguably the slickest at making charging simple for dumb dumbs but.. if you happen to prefer an EV that happens to not be a Tesla, it's no longer a deal breaker.
A single contract giving access to close to 900,000 individual chargers (close to 10,000 of them with plug-n-charge support, rest RFID) with 1450 different operators is much more impressive than a single vendor network (all the restaurants in Europe vs. McDonalds). And all of the 1450 operators are also free to offer alternative payment solutions: credit card (egulatory requirement) or their own apps/cards). The side-effect is that the same charger may have multiple pricing options, the vendor-native one is not always the cheapest one, for example.
(incidentally, does anyone know how ISO 15118 deals with the situation where the customer has multiple contracts for the charger the car gets plugged into?)
Of the ones you listed I would be looking at ev6 but it depends what you like and what the car is for.
I prefer the style and interior on the ioniq 5 but the boot is small and it's pretty dull to drive particularly in its lowest power format.
The ev6 drives the best (although I didn't drive a Tesla to be fair) and for me is the most engaging. Boot was a better size than the ioniq 5 (mostly because it was a bit deeper)
Mach-e I wanted to love but I really couldn't, the boot was smallest it wasn't as engaging to drive as the ev6 and for some reason made me car sick even as the driver. No idea why.
Tesla y I didn't drive but I couldn't get over the looks, interior looked most tired of all the 2nd hand cars I looked at (although it could have just been that particular car wearing badly) and the lack driver speedo/dashboard felt too alien to me. Probably the biggest boot but I wasn't as wowed but it as I thought I would be.
I actually ended up in an Enyaq, biggest and most conventional shaped boot (apart from the Tesla) and also the one people seemed to.moan about least in the owner groups on Facebook! Plenty of room inside. It's not perfect but I generally like it.
I prefer the style and interior on the ioniq 5 but the boot is small and it's pretty dull to drive particularly in its lowest power format.
The ev6 drives the best (although I didn't drive a Tesla to be fair) and for me is the most engaging. Boot was a better size than the ioniq 5 (mostly because it was a bit deeper)
Mach-e I wanted to love but I really couldn't, the boot was smallest it wasn't as engaging to drive as the ev6 and for some reason made me car sick even as the driver. No idea why.
Tesla y I didn't drive but I couldn't get over the looks, interior looked most tired of all the 2nd hand cars I looked at (although it could have just been that particular car wearing badly) and the lack driver speedo/dashboard felt too alien to me. Probably the biggest boot but I wasn't as wowed but it as I thought I would be.
I actually ended up in an Enyaq, biggest and most conventional shaped boot (apart from the Tesla) and also the one people seemed to.moan about least in the owner groups on Facebook! Plenty of room inside. It's not perfect but I generally like it.
I test drove everything that you listed and I landed on the EV6.
Ioniq 5 - Sister to the EV6 and so this really comes down to taste, I found the interior to be really drab and it just felt like I'd stepped back into a very basic car from the 90s. The Ioniq 5 N (and I assume N line also?) had minimal changes but the dark interior really made the car feel much more modern and to my tastes but wasn't readily available when I was buying.
Model Y - I loved the storage options and the charging network that was available. I didn't really like the screen being used for everything but I'm sure I would've gotten used to this. The killer aspect for me was that the OH just couldn't get comfortable driving it, with the accelerator feeling too heavy and giving her knee pain. Obviously very subjective and I found it fine otherwise.
Mach-E - Dogs fit nicely in the boot, the car had quite a lot to like and the AWD wasn't a slouch. I didn't feel overly comfortable with Ford's first EV and the comparatively short warranty. If this car had stood out vs the others than I would've compromised on the warranty front.
EV6 - The GT Line S had every toy I could need, adding AWD made it nice and nippy when out driving and overcomes it's hefty weight to make it a good vehicle for completing overtakes comfortably. 7 year warranty was the icing on the cake for me, not to mention the heavy depreciation meant that I picked up my 20k mile 18month old GTLS for £33k.
Ioniq 5 - Sister to the EV6 and so this really comes down to taste, I found the interior to be really drab and it just felt like I'd stepped back into a very basic car from the 90s. The Ioniq 5 N (and I assume N line also?) had minimal changes but the dark interior really made the car feel much more modern and to my tastes but wasn't readily available when I was buying.
Model Y - I loved the storage options and the charging network that was available. I didn't really like the screen being used for everything but I'm sure I would've gotten used to this. The killer aspect for me was that the OH just couldn't get comfortable driving it, with the accelerator feeling too heavy and giving her knee pain. Obviously very subjective and I found it fine otherwise.
Mach-E - Dogs fit nicely in the boot, the car had quite a lot to like and the AWD wasn't a slouch. I didn't feel overly comfortable with Ford's first EV and the comparatively short warranty. If this car had stood out vs the others than I would've compromised on the warranty front.
EV6 - The GT Line S had every toy I could need, adding AWD made it nice and nippy when out driving and overcomes it's hefty weight to make it a good vehicle for completing overtakes comfortably. 7 year warranty was the icing on the cake for me, not to mention the heavy depreciation meant that I picked up my 20k mile 18month old GTLS for £33k.
Pistonheadsdicoverer said:
Surprised nobody mentioned Nissan Ariya.
87Kwh model is the one to go for.
Cheapest on AT is under £26K ATM
Does >300 miles in summer, 240 in winter.
I have one.
I wonder if the Leaf's rep has rubbed off on the Ariya. I too wouldn't put it in my shortlist despite the fact that it would be a great choice objectively. 87Kwh model is the one to go for.
Cheapest on AT is under £26K ATM
Does >300 miles in summer, 240 in winter.
I have one.
I think when my SS goes back I'll be on the lookout for an EV6 GT or an EQS but despite horrific depreciation it's not yet horrific enough for me.
ChocolateFrog said:
Pistonheadsdicoverer said:
Surprised nobody mentioned Nissan Ariya.
87Kwh model is the one to go for.
Cheapest on AT is under £26K ATM
Does >300 miles in summer, 240 in winter.
I have one.
I wonder if the Leaf's rep has rubbed off on the Ariya. I too wouldn't put it in my shortlist despite the fact that it would be a great choice objectively. 87Kwh model is the one to go for.
Cheapest on AT is under £26K ATM
Does >300 miles in summer, 240 in winter.
I have one.
TheDeuce said:
Evanivitch said:
Scabutz said:
That's my point. I've charged my EV6 with absolutely no effort or pain at all. Pull up, plug in, tap a button in the app. Done. Unless the Tesla chargers are going to give me a reach around I don't get it. Plus my Kia can charge at 800v and be done it less time than a long piss and short queue for coffee at Starbucks
How did you find the charger? How did you know it was high powered? How certain were you it was working and not busy? Was your car pre-heating for best charging performance?Even going back just a few years you'd be asking is your car compatible and do you have the right app!
All issues you can handle yourself I'm sure, but more effort than putting destination into the Tesla Sat nav.
Its been years since all new rapid chargers were required to not demand an app... Its now virtually impossible to find one 100kw upwards that requires an app.
Pretty much all EV mapping software, Google maps, electroverse etc reports charger availability, last time used (to show it's actually functional) and will also pre-condition the battery if a charge is known to be incoming. This isn't tech, it's just software refined for common sense.
The Tesla USP is all but gone. They're still arguably the slickest at making charging simple for dumb dumbs but.. if you happen to prefer an EV that happens to not be a Tesla, it's no longer a deal breaker.
carinatauk said:
TheDeuce said:
Evanivitch said:
Scabutz said:
That's my point. I've charged my EV6 with absolutely no effort or pain at all. Pull up, plug in, tap a button in the app. Done. Unless the Tesla chargers are going to give me a reach around I don't get it. Plus my Kia can charge at 800v and be done it less time than a long piss and short queue for coffee at Starbucks
How did you find the charger? How did you know it was high powered? How certain were you it was working and not busy? Was your car pre-heating for best charging performance?Even going back just a few years you'd be asking is your car compatible and do you have the right app!
All issues you can handle yourself I'm sure, but more effort than putting destination into the Tesla Sat nav.
Its been years since all new rapid chargers were required to not demand an app... Its now virtually impossible to find one 100kw upwards that requires an app.
Pretty much all EV mapping software, Google maps, electroverse etc reports charger availability, last time used (to show it's actually functional) and will also pre-condition the battery if a charge is known to be incoming. This isn't tech, it's just software refined for common sense.
The Tesla USP is all but gone. They're still arguably the slickest at making charging simple for dumb dumbs but.. if you happen to prefer an EV that happens to not be a Tesla, it's no longer a deal breaker.
Tesla owner here, I've driven the Mach E, Model Y and Ionic 5.
Out of those three, without a doubt the Ionic 5, and that's just for the ride. I much prefer the Tesla tech (probably because I'm use to it), but both the Ford and the Tesla just feel like they crash over road inconsistencies. It never bothered me in any of the Model 3's I've driven either.
I'd have a hard time choosing between the EV6 and Ioniq 5, I really like the look of both. My friend got the Ionic because it was cheaper at the time and roomier. It's a huge car inside, feels bigger than a Q5 for sure.
Out of those three, without a doubt the Ionic 5, and that's just for the ride. I much prefer the Tesla tech (probably because I'm use to it), but both the Ford and the Tesla just feel like they crash over road inconsistencies. It never bothered me in any of the Model 3's I've driven either.
I'd have a hard time choosing between the EV6 and Ioniq 5, I really like the look of both. My friend got the Ionic because it was cheaper at the time and roomier. It's a huge car inside, feels bigger than a Q5 for sure.
drgoatboy said:
Of the ones you listed I would be looking at ev6 but it depends what you like and what the car is for.
I prefer the style and interior on the ioniq 5 but the boot is small and it's pretty dull to drive particularly in its lowest power format.
The ev6 drives the best (although I didn't drive a Tesla to be fair) and for me is the most engaging. Boot was a better size than the ioniq 5 (mostly because it was a bit deeper)
Mach-e I wanted to love but I really couldn't, the boot was smallest it wasn't as engaging to drive as the ev6 and for some reason made me car sick even as the driver. No idea why.
Tesla y I didn't drive but I couldn't get over the looks, interior looked most tired of all the 2nd hand cars I looked at (although it could have just been that particular car wearing badly) and the lack driver speedo/dashboard felt too alien to me. Probably the biggest boot but I wasn't as wowed but it as I thought I would be.
I actually ended up in an Enyaq, biggest and most conventional shaped boot (apart from the Tesla) and also the one people seemed to.moan about least in the owner groups on Facebook! Plenty of room inside. It's not perfect but I generally like it.
Another Enyaq owner here, i’d certainly recommend giving one a go.I prefer the style and interior on the ioniq 5 but the boot is small and it's pretty dull to drive particularly in its lowest power format.
The ev6 drives the best (although I didn't drive a Tesla to be fair) and for me is the most engaging. Boot was a better size than the ioniq 5 (mostly because it was a bit deeper)
Mach-e I wanted to love but I really couldn't, the boot was smallest it wasn't as engaging to drive as the ev6 and for some reason made me car sick even as the driver. No idea why.
Tesla y I didn't drive but I couldn't get over the looks, interior looked most tired of all the 2nd hand cars I looked at (although it could have just been that particular car wearing badly) and the lack driver speedo/dashboard felt too alien to me. Probably the biggest boot but I wasn't as wowed but it as I thought I would be.
I actually ended up in an Enyaq, biggest and most conventional shaped boot (apart from the Tesla) and also the one people seemed to.moan about least in the owner groups on Facebook! Plenty of room inside. It's not perfect but I generally like it.
They can be picked up (nearly new) for a decent price.
I wasn’t keen on the inbuilt nav, but have now subscribed to the full ABRP carplay nav @ £40 odd a year. As it makes navigation to chosen charger network a doddle. Just the Tesla ones for my rare public charging. It also know the destination charger status & the cars battery status (enode enabled).
One minor point, the Enyaq charging port is on the other side to the Tesla ones. It’s not possible to charge in a bay on the ‘old’ Tesla chargers as the cable is too short. So either block the next bay if quiet… Of may get lucky with one on the end!
I was getting 250 miles range on the coldest periods in my 80. It’s very quiet & comfortable, quality feel.
drgoatboy said:
I think the on paper boot capacity of the ariya must put people off considering the sheer size of the thing and it's family SUV aspirations. Whether it is actually as small as the stats suggest I don't know. I didn't even bother to look at one because of it.
I guess it depends on whether you want a car with a larger cabin and an OK boot size. The Ariya has 466L (the non e-force one).Compared to say, the Ioniq 5, It seems to have a bigger cabin
See https://www.carsized.com/en/cars/compare/hyundai-i...
Haven't compared the other cars fwiw.
Also making this exact decision at the moment, and leaning towards the Ioniq5 due to affordability, and possibly a 58kWh version to get a newer model.
Does anyone know how the trim levels worked for a 2022 or 2023 car?
The current car seems to have changed the names, and I am struggling to find out for the older ones what is what. I see SE, Premium and Ultimate which I assume is lowest to highest trim? also Namsan?
Do they all have heat pumps?
Does anyone know how the trim levels worked for a 2022 or 2023 car?
The current car seems to have changed the names, and I am struggling to find out for the older ones what is what. I see SE, Premium and Ultimate which I assume is lowest to highest trim? also Namsan?
Do they all have heat pumps?
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