I bought a Dacia Spring…
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Toaster Pilot said:
Tbh I’ve no idea why anyone would buy the 45, especially when you can buy a pre reg 65 for less than it costs.
The lack of CCS alone being a pretty good reason to avoid it.
I think it probably only exists for the sake of having cheaper version, but it's not as good value as the 65 overall. I think they designed the car as the 65 and then took things away!The lack of CCS alone being a pretty good reason to avoid it.
Edited by Toaster Pilot on Friday 7th March 21:05
Does it really not have CCS!? That's weird - it says it can charge upto 30kwh, which I would assume required CCS, the charge speed being limited by the battery capacity.
TheDeuce said:
I think it probably only exists for the sake of having cheaper version, but it's not as good value as the 65 overall. I think they designed the car as the 65 and then took things away!
Does it really not have CCS!? That's weird - it says it can charge upto 30kwh, which I would assume required CCS, the charge speed being limited by the battery capacity.
45 definitely doesn’t have CCS, 7kW AC only. The spec on the Dacia website is wrong. Does it really not have CCS!? That's weird - it says it can charge upto 30kwh, which I would assume required CCS, the charge speed being limited by the battery capacity.
Toaster Pilot said:
TheDeuce said:
I think it probably only exists for the sake of having cheaper version, but it's not as good value as the 65 overall. I think they designed the car as the 65 and then took things away!
Does it really not have CCS!? That's weird - it says it can charge upto 30kwh, which I would assume required CCS, the charge speed being limited by the battery capacity.
45 definitely doesn’t have CCS, 7kW AC only. The spec on the Dacia website is wrong. Does it really not have CCS!? That's weird - it says it can charge upto 30kwh, which I would assume required CCS, the charge speed being limited by the battery capacity.
andburg said:
biggest problem i have with one of these is the weak used EV market
£14k for a spring or £14k for an early used MG4 with 4 years warranty remaining, other than needing something very small it'd be a tough sell for me.
Used cars have always been cheaper than new ones, people were saying this about the Sandero when Dacia launched in the UK. £14k for a spring or £14k for an early used MG4 with 4 years warranty remaining, other than needing something very small it'd be a tough sell for me.
TheDeuce said:
Does it really not have CCS!? That's weird - it says it can charge upto 30kwh, which I would assume required CCS, the charge speed being limited by the battery capacity.
I'm sure you know this, but charging speed is expressed in kW, not kWh. Anything over 22kW is most definitely DC charging.
Toaster Pilot said:
45 definitely doesn’t have CCS, 7kW AC only. The spec on the Dacia website is wrong.
Most sources do quote ~30kW DC charging. I've checked the Dacia website and it states 26,8 kW charging. Any review I can find states those.
I'd love to believe you as you generally seem very knowledgeable on those things, but that seems to be a huge oversight on both Dacia and the reviewers?
ZesPak said:
TheDeuce said:
Does it really not have CCS!? That's weird - it says it can charge upto 30kwh, which I would assume required CCS, the charge speed being limited by the battery capacity.
I'm sure you know this, but charging speed is expressed in kW, not kWh. Anything over 22kW is most definitely DC charging.
Toaster Pilot said:
45 definitely doesn’t have CCS, 7kW AC only. The spec on the Dacia website is wrong.
Most sources do quote ~30kW DC charging. I've checked the Dacia website and it states 26,8 kW charging. Any review I can find states those.
I'd love to believe you as you generally seem very knowledgeable on those things, but that seems to be a huge oversight on both Dacia and the reviewers?
I'm still confused by the stated ability to DC charge, which must use CCS... So where has the theory it doesn't ha e CCS come from..?
TheDeuce said:
ZesPak said:
TheDeuce said:
Does it really not have CCS!? That's weird - it says it can charge upto 30kwh, which I would assume required CCS, the charge speed being limited by the battery capacity.
I'm sure you know this, but charging speed is expressed in kW, not kWh. Anything over 22kW is most definitely DC charging.
Toaster Pilot said:
45 definitely doesn’t have CCS, 7kW AC only. The spec on the Dacia website is wrong.
Most sources do quote ~30kW DC charging. I've checked the Dacia website and it states 26,8 kW charging. Any review I can find states those.
I'd love to believe you as you generally seem very knowledgeable on those things, but that seems to be a huge oversight on both Dacia and the reviewers?
I'm still confused by the stated ability to DC charge, which must use CCS... So where has the theory it doesn't ha e CCS come from..?
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I bought one of these too. An Expression 65 in brick red (orange). It's my wife's car so I haven't driven it much, but based on the few drives I've done in it so far, I like it. A few points:
I think the styling is pretty neat for what it is. The only think that lets it down is the comically skinny tyres which I do think signal to motorists behind that you may be an OAP in some sort of invacar. From every other angle it looks great though.
It was precisely the lack of features that appealed to me. I love that there isn't an ipad glued to the dash (in the Expression model) and the ability to turn off all the nannying rubbish with two presses of one physical button is great. When combined with the physical key, manual handbrake, manual mirrors, and manual rear windows, it feels like you are in some parallel universe version of the 1990s where cars were all electric instead of ICE.
It may look stylish inside, but there's no denying it feels cheap. Hard plastics and the doors and boot sound comically tinny. Closing them sounds like slamming a baking tray. If you are used to that German bank vault vibe, you will hate this car. If you are coming from another cheap city car it will feel fine.
It definitely does not feel slow. In fact, it feels pretty rapid because of the lack of weight and instant EV torque. And possibly also because of the slightly scary, floaty handling which makes going fast, erm, "exciting". Also, you do have that vague sense that you may actually die in the event of a crash, which keeps you on your toes.
In terms of retained future value, time will tell. I PCP'd it to hedge my bets, but I suspect it will do ok. It has a 7 year warranty if you get it serviced at a Dacia dealer, and many folk will be wary of used EV alternatives with a short or no warranty. There's not much to go wrong and that simplicity may play in its favour on the used market.
I think the styling is pretty neat for what it is. The only think that lets it down is the comically skinny tyres which I do think signal to motorists behind that you may be an OAP in some sort of invacar. From every other angle it looks great though.
It was precisely the lack of features that appealed to me. I love that there isn't an ipad glued to the dash (in the Expression model) and the ability to turn off all the nannying rubbish with two presses of one physical button is great. When combined with the physical key, manual handbrake, manual mirrors, and manual rear windows, it feels like you are in some parallel universe version of the 1990s where cars were all electric instead of ICE.
It may look stylish inside, but there's no denying it feels cheap. Hard plastics and the doors and boot sound comically tinny. Closing them sounds like slamming a baking tray. If you are used to that German bank vault vibe, you will hate this car. If you are coming from another cheap city car it will feel fine.
It definitely does not feel slow. In fact, it feels pretty rapid because of the lack of weight and instant EV torque. And possibly also because of the slightly scary, floaty handling which makes going fast, erm, "exciting". Also, you do have that vague sense that you may actually die in the event of a crash, which keeps you on your toes.
In terms of retained future value, time will tell. I PCP'd it to hedge my bets, but I suspect it will do ok. It has a 7 year warranty if you get it serviced at a Dacia dealer, and many folk will be wary of used EV alternatives with a short or no warranty. There's not much to go wrong and that simplicity may play in its favour on the used market.
Lil_Red_GTO said:
it feels like you are in some parallel universe version of the 1990s where cars were all electric instead of ICE.
This is a fantastic description of it tbh (even the Extreme where all that manual stuff is electric)The continual discounting on new models is the thing that’ll hurt residuals the hardest imo, seems it’s Renault’s ZEV mandate punching bag
Hugo Stiglitz said:
Toaster Pilot said:
My cats do that. I literally have to do a Northern Ireland security service sweep under the car every time before I set off. Was really interested in this until I saw it had a terrible Ncap crash rating
https://www.euroncap.com/en/results/dacia/spring/4...
Admittedly, still did better than a Renault Zoe!
https://www.euroncap.com/en/results/dacia/spring/4...
Admittedly, still did better than a Renault Zoe!
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