It's postponed!

[Kev_Mk3]

I have asked for a credit for 2021 as I cant make the date in september sadly which I am gutted about.

[judgespeed]

LM240 said:

Fingers crossed!

Time to book hotel up pronto.

Seen the ACO announcement at 16:50hrs and booked a hotel straight away in Arnage for £216 for me and my boy three days inc breakfast

Just had an email from them requesting me to cancel the booking

Looks like they wasn't on the mark with the new date

Was via Booking.com so will have to watch this space if they try and enforce the cancellation and readvertise the room at what others are asking for now at a significant higher price

Edited by judgespeed on Wednesday 18th March 22:34

[classicaholic]

ferrus said:

F^ck, f^ck, fu^ck.

My 20th Wedding Anniversary.


Literally any other day but that would have been fine

What a nice surprise for your wife, a camping trip in France!

[LM240]

Everything rearranged except for the time off work.

All on free cancellation basis.

Airbnb.... 2 bedroom apartment, sole use, in our usual village. £103 total for 3 nights!!!

September still potentially optimistic, but lets hope things get back to normal.

Edited by LM240 on Thursday 19th March 06:14

[delta0]

Any news on the Classic?

[RDMcG]

What’s left?

no:
F1
IoM TT
Goodwood

Next up is rumoured to be Indy 500
No idea re Nürburgring 24 but would think it will not go


Going to be a very quiet season. Where I live all car club meetings are cancelled. I fully understand the reason but I might not bother taking my cars out of winter storage. No track days either.

[mikeN54]

New date is the in laws 50th Anniversary FFS!

No pass out given

[//j17]

MB140 said:

It’s quite weird isn’t it. Checking online via money.co.uk seems to imply that we entered a contract which the travel company can no longer satisfy (regardless of if it’s there fault), therefore we are entitled to a refund.

In what way are they no longer able to satisfy the contract. You have entered in to a contract for them to supply you with tickets and other services for the weekend of the 2020 LM24. This was originally scheduled for June but has now been moved to Sept. and the travel company have moved your booking to the new date, so still providing you with tickets and other services for the 2020 LM24.

Most Le Mans ticket sellers are small companies and don't get a sale or return deal with the ACO, they have to pre-purchase, then sell on. As a result the other option they have with the 24 dates moving is to say they are going everyone a refund, go almost instantly bankrupt before refunding anyone, and let people fight it out with the administrators - and most customers buying one or two camping passes will be SO far down the list of creditors that they won't see a penny.

[MB140]

//j17 said:

MB140 said:

It’s quite weird isn’t it. Checking online via money.co.uk seems to imply that we entered a contract which the travel company can no longer satisfy (regardless of if it’s there fault), therefore we are entitled to a refund.

In what way are they no longer able to satisfy the contract. You have entered in to a contract for them to supply you with tickets and other services for the weekend of the 2020 LM24. This was originally scheduled for June but has now been moved to Sept. and the travel company have moved your booking to the new date, so still providing you with tickets and other services for the 2020 LM24.

Most Le Mans ticket sellers are small companies and don't get a sale or return deal with the ACO, they have to pre-purchase, then sell on. As a result the other option they have with the 24 dates moving is to say they are going everyone a refund, go almost instantly bankrupt before refunding anyone, and let people fight it out with the administrators - and most customers buying one or two camping passes will be SO far down the list of creditors that they won't see a penny.

I would say I entered a contract for them to supply tickets, accommodation and transport(ferry) for Le Mans. As the e-tickets and all correspondence all have June 2020 on them and this is now no longer the case then they haven’t fulfilled there side of the contract.

I appreciate many people will just reschedule. We may end up doing that ourselves we’re not sure yet. All I wanted to know was if they can refuse a refund and do we have to accept the voucher. We may take the voucher.

Either way if they go tits up then thankfully we paid via credit card and I have travel insurance via my bank which looking at the T&C we would be seen to be covered.

I’m not for one second saying that they should be forced to refund everybody. A vast majority will be able to reschedule. But for those that it’s not feasible could they force a voucher on us even though we can’t use it in effect refusing a refund. It seems they can’t.

Edited by MB140 on Thursday 19th March 11:49

[FredericRobinson]

RDMcG said:

What’s left?

no:
F1
IoM TT
Goodwood

Next up is rumoured to be Indy 500
No idea re Nürburgring 24 but would think it will not go


Going to be a very quiet season. Where I live all car club meetings are cancelled. I fully understand the reason but I might not bother taking my cars out of winter storage. No track days either.

Nurburgring 24 has been shifted to the weekend before Le Mans

[gt6]

I got the email from the ACO, have gone back to ask about camping tickets, will they still be valid for the new dates? will let people know if/when i get a reply

[Quickmoose]

With the only travel inside France reserved for 'essential' stuff..... wouldn't that need to be revoked to allow you to go there, whatever the dates?

https://www.eurotunnel.com/uk/travelling-with-us/l...

[E36GUY]

gt6 said:

I got the email from the ACO, have gone back to ask about camping tickets, will they still be valid for the new dates? will let people know if/when i get a reply

Strange thing to ask? Of course they will.

[Kev_Mk3]

RDMcG said:

What’s left?

no:
F1
IoM TT
Goodwood

Next up is rumoured to be Indy 500
No idea re Nürburgring 24 but would think it will not go


Going to be a very quiet season. Where I live all car club meetings are cancelled. I fully understand the reason but I might not bother taking my cars out of winter storage. No track days either.

N24 is the weekend after Lemans 24hr in September it was published last week.


We found a new date for our famous 24h race: 24th to 27th September 2020 in the Green Hell.

[gt6]

E36GUY said:

Strange thing to ask? Of course they will.

For most events there are less camping sites, and i suspect the same will apply on the new date as numbers will be much lower so there is a real possibility some sites will not be open.

[FredericRobinson]

Kev_Mk3 said:

N24 is the weekend after Lemans 24hr in September it was published last week.


We found a new date for our famous 24h race: 24th to 27th September 2020 in the Green Hell.

He's right, I'm wrong, could be an interesting plan there

[Quickmoose]

Quickmoose said:

With the only travel inside France reserved for 'essential' stuff..... wouldn't that need to be revoked to allow you to go there, whatever the dates?

https://www.eurotunnel.com/uk/travelling-with-us/l...

Can we just ignore this then.....

[LM240]

//j17 said:

MB140 said:

It’s quite weird isn’t it. Checking online via money.co.uk seems to imply that we entered a contract which the travel company can no longer satisfy (regardless of if it’s there fault), therefore we are entitled to a refund.

In what way are they no longer able to satisfy the contract. You have entered in to a contract for them to supply you with tickets and other services for the weekend of the 2020 LM24. This was originally scheduled for June but has now been moved to Sept. and the travel company have moved your booking to the new date, so still providing you with tickets and other services for the 2020 LM24.

Most Le Mans ticket sellers are small companies and don't get a sale or return deal with the ACO, they have to pre-purchase, then sell on. As a result the other option they have with the 24 dates moving is to say they are going everyone a refund, go almost instantly bankrupt before refunding anyone, and let people fight it out with the administrators - and most customers buying one or two camping passes will be SO far down the list of creditors that they won't see a penny.

If no personal insurance to cover it and company won't offer a refund based on the circumstances, i'd try and sell on the package you have.

I'm sure someone will take it and you'd get money back or at least most of it.

[LM240]

Quickmoose said:

Quickmoose said:

With the only travel inside France reserved for 'essential' stuff..... wouldn't that need to be revoked to allow you to go there, whatever the dates?

https://www.eurotunnel.com/uk/travelling-with-us/l...

Can we just ignore this then.....

If there are travel restrictions still in place, the whole event won't be happening anyway.

Sept date is presuming this is clear enough for some normality.

I really hope things clear, but currently doubtful this sept date will be enough.

Could they really push it to oct, nov, dec?! Would they run 2 x 24hrs in 2021 if none in 2020? If sept doesn't happen I think 2021 normal schedule likely to happen.

[//j17]

MB140 said:

//j17 said:

MB140 said:

It’s quite weird isn’t it. Checking online via money.co.uk seems to imply that we entered a contract which the travel company can no longer satisfy (regardless of if it’s there fault), therefore we are entitled to a refund.

In what way are they no longer able to satisfy the contract. You have entered in to a contract for them to supply you with tickets and other services for the weekend of the 2020 LM24. This was originally scheduled for June but has now been moved to Sept. and the travel company have moved your booking to the new date, so still providing you with tickets and other services for the 2020 LM24.

I would say I entered a contract for them to supply tickets, accommodation and transport(ferry) for Le Mans. As the e-tickets and all correspondence all have June 2020 on them and this is now no longer the case then they haven’t fulfilled there side of the contract.

The flip side there is would you be happy if they waited and, if travel restrictions are lifted before mid-June, they sent you off to France on time - even though the race was still moved to Sept? I mean if the date is the important part of the contract...