F90 M5 or DB11? Used purchase quandary...

[c10vet]

Phil. said:

memzyy said:

Got it

Lets forget about all RWD £100k, £200k, £300k Astons, Ferraris, McLarens etc. They all got parts from cheaper brands and not usable all year round, etc. Buyers who pays those amounts for those cars and manufacturers who built them doesn't know anything.

Out of interest why do you have a Range Rover and not a Bentley Bentayga or an AM DBX?

Funds...

Oh....and looks!

Edited by c10vet on Thursday 4th March 00:06

[blueg33]

I say DB11. It looks and feels special in a way that no fast version of a regular BMW ever will.

If you go BMW you will always feel you made a mistake when you see the DB11

[memzyy]

Phil. said:

Out of interest why do you have a Range Rover and not a Bentley Bentayga or an AM DBX?

I haven't updated garage in profile but i sold the RR after i bought the DB11. I was always taking the keys of Aston and RR was just sitting not getting any use. I live in central London with girlfriend no kids and also work around town/city centres so really there was no grounds to buy/need the RR in the first place but its excellent at what it does so i kept it for a while. Mine was also EU5 so emission issue was coming up and insurance has always been expensive for it. I insure Aston for just over £1k, RR was £2.1k..

If I was to buy a SUV again i will buy RR again. Not the Sport. Full fat RR. I used dealer demo Bentayga when my Bentley was in the dealership at the time. The build quality quietness leathers smells are all superior to RR. But for a SUV i will still buy the RR for half the price.

I can't go and argue Bentayga or DBX owner that they been stupid and RR is better SUV. After all they could have bought 2 RRs for the price if they wanted RR

Why have you bought RR and not BMW X5? X5 have everything going for as far as any BMW. Faster than RR, better tech than RR, better built quality than RR, better customer service than RR. Even you can buy nearly new one for the price of 1 / 2 years old used RR?

Edited by memzyy on Thursday 4th March 09:49

[c10vet]

memzyy said:

Phil. said:

Out of interest why do you have a Range Rover and not a Bentley Bentayga or an AM DBX?

I haven't updated garage in profile but i sold the RR after i bought the DB11. I was always taking the keys of Aston and RR was just sitting not getting any use. I live in central London with girlfriend no kids and also work around town/city centres so really there was no grounds to buy/need the RR in the first place but its excellent at what it does so i kept it for a while. Mine was also EU5 so emission issue was coming up and insurance has always been expensive for it. I insure Aston for just over £1k, RR was £2.1k..

If I was to buy a SUV again i will buy RR again. Not the Sport. Full fat RR. I used dealer demo Bentayga when my Bentley was in the dealership at the time. The build quality quietness leathers smells are all superior to RR. But for a SUV i will still buy the RR for half the price.

I can't go and argue Bentayga or DBX owner that they been stupid and RR is better SUV. After all they could have bought 2 RRs for the price if they wanted RR

Why have you bought RR and not BMW X5? X5 have everything going for as far as any BMW. Faster than RR, better tech than RR, better built quality than RR, better customer service than RR. Even you can buy nearly new one for the price of 1 / 2 years old used RR?

Edited by memzyy on Thursday 4th March 09:49

Hey Phil - used to live in central London so know your pain.

We went for RRS (my wife’s but I drive a lot) as her preference. More luxury than X5, presence, looks. Downside is build quality and many small issues needing to be fixed under warranty. Next one will probably be a “boring” X5 as the Missus puts it. Or potentially look at Bentaygas but they aren’t the prettiest. Sublime luxury and class inside though.

I am currently speaking to a dealer about a 2017 v12 DB at present. Am in no rush but if there’s a deal to be done....

[Pegscratch]

Of those two I'd have the E63S... instead of the M5, purely as I think the Merc powertrain is better and once you tone down the excessively Jewellery Quarter interior of it, the current E class is a splendid place to spend time and drives tremendously.

Oh, and of course that sound.

The Aston wouldn't get a look in, while the DB11 gets the Merc powertrain so should be relatively solid, they do have some incredibly expensive tendencies in the interior and exterior department which "st happens" repairs turn into insurance claims very quickly and would make me nervous of using it as a daily driver; minor bodywork repairs, headlights, wing mirrors - the sort of thing that "can" take a bit of a knock if you're unlucky. Remember there's no four-banger stablemate of the DB11 to get used parts from on eBay like there is the Merc and BMW, so nearly everything is back to the dealer, cap in hand.

[Phil.]

memzyy said:

I haven't updated garage in profile but i sold the RR after i bought the DB11. I was always taking the keys of Aston and RR was just sitting not getting any use. I live in central London with girlfriend no kids and also work around town/city centres so really there was no grounds to buy/need the RR in the first place but its excellent at what it does so i kept it for a while. Mine was also EU5 so emission issue was coming up and insurance has always been expensive for it. I insure Aston for just over £1k, RR was £2.1k..

If I was to buy a SUV again i will buy RR again. Not the Sport. Full fat RR. I used dealer demo Bentayga when my Bentley was in the dealership at the time. The build quality quietness leathers smells are all superior to RR. But for a SUV i will still buy the RR for half the price.

I can't go and argue Bentayga or DBX owner that they been stupid and RR is better SUV. After all they could have bought 2 RRs for the price if they wanted RR

Why have you bought RR and not BMW X5? X5 have everything going for as far as any BMW. Faster than RR, better tech than RR, better built quality than RR, better customer service than RR. Even you can buy nearly new one for the price of 1 / 2 years old used RR?

Edited by memzyy on Thursday 4th March 09:49

I’m on my 6th FFRR in 12 years. I bought my current one new last year during the first lockdown and managed to get a brilliant deal, wiping off the first year of depreciation. I’ve driven X5’s and RR Sports but nothing comes close to the ride quality and it’s abilities of a FFRR.

The X5 is trying to be a SUV with road car handling. They’ve even released the X5M Comp, which must be for people who want a compromised SUV and compromised performance car experience combined. Or it’s for those who can’t afford both.

Last summer, when Boris was mucking about with flights, my wife and I jumped in the new RR and drove 1500 miles to our place in southern Spain for 2 months. It’s the first time we had driven down and the RR was brilliant. After that experience I wouldn’t consider anything else for long journeys.

I think the M5C compliments the RR very well. I have the best SUV in the business and a modern very high performance car that I can use everyday, that puts a smile on my face. You should take one out for a spin one day, you might like it

[memzyy]

c10vet said:

I am currently speaking to a dealer about a 2017 v12 DB at present. Am in no rush but if there’s a deal to be done....

Good luck. Pick a Launch Edition if you can they come with loads of extras as standard. I think £25k - £30k worth of options

[memzyy]

Phil. said:

I’m on my 6th FFRR in 12 years. I bought my current one new last year during the first lockdown and managed to get a brilliant deal, wiping off the first year of depreciation. I’ve driven X5’s and RR Sports but nothing comes close to the ride quality and it’s abilities of a FFRR.

The X5 is trying to be a SUV with road car handling. They’ve even released the X5M Comp, which must be for people who want a compromised SUV and compromised performance car experience combined. Or it’s for those who can’t afford both.

Last summer, when Boris was mucking about with flights, my wife and I jumped in the new RR and drove 1500 miles to our place in southern Spain for 2 months. It’s the first time we had driven down and the RR was brilliant. After that experience I wouldn’t consider anything else for long journeys.

I think the M5C compliments the RR very well. I have the best SUV in the business and a modern very high performance car that I can use everyday, that puts a smile on my face. You should take one out for a spin one day, you might like it

Absolutely agree on the FFRR Phil. Nothing comes close to it.

If i decide to buy high performance premium saloon car probably i would pick M5C too.

[c10vet]

memzyy said:

c10vet said:

I am currently speaking to a dealer about a 2017 v12 DB at present. Am in no rush but if there’s a deal to be done....

Good luck. Pick a Launch Edition if you can they come with loads of extras as standard. I think £25k - £30k worth of options

Yup, it’s a Launch Edition! Other than B&O not sure what else they included in the LE.

[memzyy]

c10vet said:

Yup, it’s a Launch Edition! Other than B&O not sure what else they included in the LE.

I had pdf somewhere but cant find it now...Main highlights were B&O sound system, Upgraded Caithness Leather - Which is much softer and nicer to touch, Leather Headlining, celestial Perforation, wings on head rests , motorised centre console deep pile carpets, touch pad. I am not if heated and cooled seats are standard or LE, also 360 degree cameras.

What colour you looking at?

[c10vet]

memzyy said:

c10vet said:

Yup, it’s a Launch Edition! Other than B&O not sure what else they included in the LE.

I had pdf somewhere but cant find it now...Main highlights were B&O sound system, Upgraded Caithness Leather - Which is much softer and nicer to touch, Leather Headlining, celestial Perforation, wings on head rests , motorised centre console deep pile carpets, touch pad. I am not if heated and cooled seats are standard or LE, also 360 degree cameras.

What colour you looking at?

Great - thanks!

It’s a dark grey silver.

[Phil.]

c10vet said:

It’s a dark grey silver.

If it’s the one in B’ham, it looks a very nice example

[c10vet]

Phil. said:

c10vet said:

It’s a dark grey silver.

If it’s the one in B’ham, it looks a very nice example

This is the one:
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202102169...

I like a coloured leather. However I dislike 3 owners and non-franchised dealer even if it is McLaren.

Thoughts?

[Phil.]

c10vet said:

This is the one:
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202102169...

I like a coloured leather. However I dislike 3 owners and non-franchised dealer even if it is McLaren.

Thoughts?

I dislike the colour of the leather but that is just personal and there are far more important things to consider when buying a AM.

Why would you buy outside of the AM dealer network? You might save a few £k upfront but what about the risks? Why would someone sell outside the AM dealer network? Perhaps, because of the history you have discovered in this case?

I thought you were looking at this one:

https://preowned.astonmartin.com/preowned-cars/187...

Which ever way you go there is no short cut (financially) to buying or maintaining an up market marque. Be realistic about how much you want to spend over the lifetime of your ownership, and enjoy it

[memzyy]

c10vet said:

This is the one:
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202102169...

I like a coloured leather. However I dislike 3 owners and non-franchised dealer even if it is McLaren.

Thoughts?

I would advise and prefer to have AM Warranty. Also you may get some niggles when you first get the car it will be much easier and efficient to deal for AM main dealer who know and understands the car rather than Mclaren dealer or anyone else.

Exterior colour is Magnetic Silver, very classic AM colour i think it fits the car very well. Its not as dark as it looks in Mclaren dealers pictures though. It is the same colour as the one Phil shared. Mine is also same colour. Video of mine below and its sort of true reflection how it looks in metal.

I also think black pack suits better than chrome it covers exhaust tips, front grill and bonnet fins.

Interior wise i normally go for black but this time gone for light as in the video. I wanted to have at least the dash in black but hard to get everything and deal was right.

I think your budget of £90k very realistic for 17 car i would suggest to wait and get one from main dealer even if does mean few more miles.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBBsGy_VSbE

[c10vet]

Phil. said:

c10vet said:

This is the one:
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202102169...

I like a coloured leather. However I dislike 3 owners and non-franchised dealer even if it is McLaren.

Thoughts?

I dislike the colour of the leather but that is just personal and there are far more important things to consider when buying a AM.

Why would you buy outside of the AM dealer network? You might save a few £k upfront but what about the risks? Why would someone sell outside the AM dealer network? Perhaps, because of the history you have discovered in this case?

I thought you were looking at this one:

https://preowned.astonmartin.com/preowned-cars/187...

Which ever way you go there is no short cut (financially) to buying or maintaining an up market marque. Be realistic about how much you want to spend over the lifetime of your ownership, and enjoy it

Yup, I have that one you saw favourited on AT too!

I am bored of black leather on everything and the resulting sombre cabins. Bit serious about buying the one I put the link up for as agree on the AM warranty. Just searching around until I can test drive one...

[c10vet]

memzyy said:

c10vet said:

This is the one:
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202102169...

I like a coloured leather. However I dislike 3 owners and non-franchised dealer even if it is McLaren.

Thoughts?

I would advise and prefer to have AM Warranty. Also you may get some niggles when you first get the car it will be much easier and efficient to deal for AM main dealer who know and understands the car rather than Mclaren dealer or anyone else.

Exterior colour is Magnetic Silver, very classic AM colour i think it fits the car very well. Its not as dark as it looks in Mclaren dealers pictures though. It is the same colour as the one Phil shared. Mine is also same colour. Video of mine below and its sort of true reflection how it looks in metal.

I also think black pack suits better than chrome it covers exhaust tips, front grill and bonnet fins.

Interior wise i normally go for black but this time gone for light as in the video. I wanted to have at least the dash in black but hard to get everything and deal was right.

I think your budget of £90k very realistic for 17 car i would suggest to wait and get one from main dealer even if does mean few more miles.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBBsGy_VSbE

Very nice Memzyy

[Phil.]

What did you buy OP?

[c10vet]

Hi Phil - didn’t buy one yet. Almost bought one 2 months ago but someone came in and reserved without seeing. (Also been recovering from an op which curtailed my purchase but now fitter).

As we all know, the used car market (for Astons at least) has changed markedly. Half the stock versus 4 months ago (50 vs 100 main dealer DB11s for sale on AT) so less choice, and prices hardened up too. Main issue is choice and too many compromises….

Will take a while for stock to come back into the trade I think (WHAT DO YOU ALL THINK??) so will probably end up compromising and buying “something” over next weeks. Will be DB not M5 though - want something special (no offence M5!!).

[Phil.]

c10vet said:

Hi Phil - didn’t buy one yet. Almost bought one 2 months ago but someone came in and reserved without seeing. (Also been recovering from an op which curtailed my purchase but now fitter).

As we all know, the used car market (for Astons at least) has changed markedly. Half the stock versus 4 months ago (50 vs 100 main dealer DB11s for sale on AT) so less choice, and prices hardened up too. Main issue is choice and too many compromises….

Will take a while for stock to come back into the trade I think (WHAT DO YOU ALL THINK??) so will probably end up compromising and buying “something” over next weeks. Will be DB not M5 though - want something special (no offence M5!!).

Fair enough. Seems like the Aston market has firmed up - supply and demand. I guess you’re asking if the supply of used Astons will increase. I guess this will depend on more people buying new, so will be linked to new or face lifted models perhaps. I’ve no idea what’s in the pipeline for new DB11 buyers at the moment.

No offence taken. I’m still enjoying my M5 Comp, off for a decent run today. It’s just a completely different purchase proposition to the DB11, which is what made the early part of your thread interesting while you decided what you really wanted.

Hope you make a good recovery soon and buy something you can enjoy when the summer finally arrives