Can i justify a performance/sportier car?

Can i justify a performance/sportier car?

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Ads22

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145 posts

103 months

Sunday 9th May
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AnhBanhBao said:
I was quite similar to you before I bought my GT86.

I’d wanted one for years, but was just waiting for them to fall into budget. Once they did I still had a last-minute wobble and started considering cheaper options like the Swift Sport, older Type Rs, etc.

Finally, after a few months, I just thought to hell with it and took the plunge, and I’m so glad I did. Ok, if I’d have gone for the cheaper option I’d have saved £2-3k, but seeing someone else driving a GT86/BRZ in traffic whilst I was towering above them in my Swift would have wound me up rotten!
Very lucky and honestly cannot blame you! They really are great cars, me and my friends all have different opinions on cars but the gt86 is all something we all agree on is a good one!

I also cannot knock a swift sport though and really is the most sensible option for me, i do like them and you do get a lot for your money but just found the driving position high and has a weird amount of headroom feeling very tall. Im so fussy i irritate myself sometimes!
Like someone said before i seem very indecisive considering! But keep chopping and changing cars does get expensive and really want something now i can cherish and keep hold of!

narbles

108 posts

40 months

Monday 10th May
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Ads22 said:
... and really want something now i can cherish and keep hold of!
Then just buy the car you want, it's as simple as that.

However, I'm getting the feeling that money is playing a big factor here due to the indecisiveness and worry about maintenance etc. If this is the case my recommendation is to not buy a car, wait until you can afford 6k plus a £500 odd slush fund for things going wrong. It is not fun buying a car you want then worrying about finances.

Ads22

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145 posts

103 months

Monday 10th May
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narbles said:
Then just buy the car you want, it's as simple as that.

However, I'm getting the feeling that money is playing a big factor here due to the indecisiveness and worry about maintenance etc. If this is the case my recommendation is to not buy a car, wait until you can afford 6k plus a £500 odd slush fund for things going wrong. It is not fun buying a car you want then worrying about finances.
I think its also in part as to whichever model i seem to prefer at the time i research a lot into, then come across potential expensive problems that people encounter. I £500 slush fund is perfectly acceptable and is something ive always done on my cars but its the big (engine rebuild, head removal) type problems that scare me. And probably why ive been umming and ahhhing over the 130i as BMW repair costs are of course quite a bit more than most marques. Also why part of me has said stick with Honda but unfortunately none of them have been as good to drive.

stevekoz

365 posts

129 months

Monday 10th May
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Ads22 said:
narbles said:
Then just buy the car you want, it's as simple as that.

However, I'm getting the feeling that money is playing a big factor here due to the indecisiveness and worry about maintenance etc. If this is the case my recommendation is to not buy a car, wait until you can afford 6k plus a £500 odd slush fund for things going wrong. It is not fun buying a car you want then worrying about finances.
I think its also in part as to whichever model i seem to prefer at the time i research a lot into, then come across potential expensive problems that people encounter. I £500 slush fund is perfectly acceptable and is something ive always done on my cars but its the big (engine rebuild, head removal) type problems that scare me. And probably why ive been umming and ahhhing over the 130i as BMW repair costs are of course quite a bit more than most marques. Also why part of me has said stick with Honda but unfortunately none of them have been as good to drive.
You won't need to have a slush fund for the 3.0 straight six in the 130i. I've not really heard horror stories of them going wrong.

Any car you buy doesn't matter if you spend £500, £5000 or £50,000 - has a risk of going pop at some stage. Be that because it just happens and its sods law or because you do something stupid or you don't look after it etc. etc. It happens.

I'm 42 years old - i've had more than one car for every year of my life. Never spending much in honesty. Like you i like to try new things and life is too short to just have a box with wheels you don't enjoy. Some have gone majorly wrong and cost me thousands - but not my BMW's. They've actually surprised me how little they did cost to run. Most expensive infact Audi and Renault about joint. The Audi i hate and loathed spending a penny and will never buy another. The renault, i love and therefore i don't mind spending money on it. But as said in comparison the BMW's were cheap and cheerful.

That includes having owned the 130i and it was a lovely thing. It can be made better with some tweaks but they aren't cheap so to speak but modification never is. However, one thing not note is that out of the BMW's i've had, none have been ruinous to own, service and yes, when the time came, to repair. I've done injectors, calipers, servicing, coils etc. None ruinous in bills. A good specialist won't charge the earth - BMW themselves of course will but avoid them for anything other than a new car or a car in warranty.

If you service them. Enjoy them. Put aside a little money for when things do go wrong. You'll be fine. That goes for ANY car. You can't plan a purchase based on what might go wrong with the car. You simply don't know. If i did that i'd never buy one in the first place and walk everywhere.

I guess the moral of my post is swallow it and just go for it. Buy something you want and like. If after a day, week, year you feel differently, sell it on and get something else. Nothing stopping you. Some cars you'll lose on, some you'll love and keep and others will just fade, but life is too short to procrastinate on the worry above the "what if". I'd never leave home if that was the case.

Objective Alpha

61 posts

4 months

Monday 10th May
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I was in the exact same position as you and ended up with a GT86. Months of looking and nothing sticking out, got a good deal and decided to go for it and all i can say is WOW! don't worry about people who say its not got enough power, it does! (IMO) and always puts a smile on my face. Would 100% recommend

Ads22

Original Poster:

145 posts

103 months

Monday 10th May
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stevekoz said:
You won't need to have a slush fund for the 3.0 straight six in the 130i. I've not really heard horror stories of them going wrong.

Any car you buy doesn't matter if you spend £500, £5000 or £50,000 - has a risk of going pop at some stage. Be that because it just happens and its sods law or because you do something stupid or you don't look after it etc. etc. It happens.

I'm 42 years old - i've had more than one car for every year of my life. Never spending much in honesty. Like you i like to try new things and life is too short to just have a box with wheels you don't enjoy. Some have gone majorly wrong and cost me thousands - but not my BMW's. They've actually surprised me how little they did cost to run. Most expensive infact Audi and Renault about joint. The Audi i hate and loathed spending a penny and will never buy another. The renault, i love and therefore i don't mind spending money on it. But as said in comparison the BMW's were cheap and cheerful.

That includes having owned the 130i and it was a lovely thing. It can be made better with some tweaks but they aren't cheap so to speak but modification never is. However, one thing not note is that out of the BMW's i've had, none have been ruinous to own, service and yes, when the time came, to repair. I've done injectors, calipers, servicing, coils etc. None ruinous in bills. A good specialist won't charge the earth - BMW themselves of course will but avoid them for anything other than a new car or a car in warranty.

If you service them. Enjoy them. Put aside a little money for when things do go wrong. You'll be fine. That goes for ANY car. You can't plan a purchase based on what might go wrong with the car. You simply don't know. If i did that i'd never buy one in the first place and walk everywhere.

I guess the moral of my post is swallow it and just go for it. Buy something you want and like. If after a day, week, year you feel differently, sell it on and get something else. Nothing stopping you. Some cars you'll lose on, some you'll love and keep and others will just fade, but life is too short to procrastinate on the worry above the "what if". I'd never leave home if that was the case.
Yes i do think i may over think it sometimes. I find a car quite a big expense/investment and try my best to get it right. Plus i just like fun cars. But once persistent problems arise i get bored of endless trips to garages etc and lose interest....however i do try and do any maintenance i can more recently.

Now with prices of more unique cars climbing im now seeing the value of keeping hold of something-big regret selling my Mx5 i think looking back but i guess i was lucky enough to be in a position where i didnt need anything practical.

Re BMW, especially N52 engined cars ive had so many people reassure me about them its borderline funny. But a reoccurring theme seems to be good service history. I think it’s because when ive researched ive stumbled across various problems on BMWs of the same era (especially the n54!) but i guess its a more complicated engine and think thats what gives me cokd feet so to speak.

Ads22

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145 posts

103 months

Monday 10th May
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Objective Alpha said:
I was in the exact same position as you and ended up with a GT86. Months of looking and nothing sticking out, got a good deal and decided to go for it and all i can say is WOW! don't worry about people who say its not got enough power, it does! (IMO) and always puts a smile on my face. Would 100% recommend
And very interesting! Id love to try one, these are the only car made in recent years that interests me as it seems. Unfortunately still out of budget for me....out of interest how much did you pay and what else did you try before buying?

Mr Tidy

14,436 posts

94 months

Tuesday 11th May
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Ads22 said:
Re BMW, especially N52 engined cars ive had so many people reassure me about them its borderline funny. But a reoccurring theme seems to be good service history. I think it’s because when ive researched ive stumbled across various problems on BMWs of the same era (especially the n54!) but i guess its a more complicated engine and think thats what gives me cokd feet so to speak.
In 2014 I had a BMW 123d and had a test drive in a GT86 on my birthday!

As impressive as it was to drive it just felt a bit gutless, sounded wheezy and the prices the dealer quoted weren't exactly cheap! So a couple of months later I bought a BMW Z4 Coupe with the N52 engine that was way more impressive. I also bought an old Mazda 323f as a "snotter" but got bored with it in less than 6 months, so I replaced it with a BMW E46 325ti Sport Compact that felt like much more fun than the GT86.

At the end of 2015 my Z4 Coupe suffered the expensive death of the electric water pump so when someone was looking for one I agreed to sell it but 2 days later I was looking for another one! banghead So I bought my 2nd on 77K and sold it 3+ years later on 91K to get my Z4M Coupe.

In 2018 I replaced my E46 Compact with an E91 325i (also N52 engine) for practicality - at 135K that needed a new water pump! Then after a year I replaced that with an E90 330i for performance - and some sort of practicality!

I made a point of avoiding 3 Series with the N53 engine due to to HPFP, injector and coking up issues. But the N54 adds turbo issues to the mix.

Apart from the electric water pump N52 engines seem pretty bullet-proof in my experience - my current 330i is on 115K and drives really smoothly with plenty of power when required.





Ads22

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145 posts

103 months

Tuesday 11th May
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Mr Tidy said:
In 2014 I had a BMW 123d and had a test drive in a GT86 on my birthday!

As impressive as it was to drive it just felt a bit gutless, sounded wheezy and the prices the dealer quoted weren't exactly cheap! So a couple of months later I bought a BMW Z4 Coupe with the N52 engine that was way more impressive. I also bought an old Mazda 323f as a "snotter" but got bored with it in less than 6 months, so I replaced it with a BMW E46 325ti Sport Compact that felt like much more fun than the GT86.

At the end of 2015 my Z4 Coupe suffered the expensive death of the electric water pump so when someone was looking for one I agreed to sell it but 2 days later I was looking for another one! banghead So I bought my 2nd on 77K and sold it 3+ years later on 91K to get my Z4M Coupe.

In 2018 I replaced my E46 Compact with an E91 325i (also N52 engine) for practicality - at 135K that needed a new water pump! Then after a year I replaced that with an E90 330i for performance - and some sort of practicality!

I made a point of avoiding 3 Series with the N53 engine due to to HPFP, injector and coking up issues. But the N54 adds turbo issues to the mix.

Apart from the electric water pump N52 engines seem pretty bullet-proof in my experience - my current 330i is on 115K and drives really smoothly with plenty of power when required.
Im yet to try a GT86 but have heard this about them often. I dont think i will for some time though to avoid upsetting myself! These are strong money for an auto, let alone a manual.

Just trying to establish a budget for 130i’s, of course for a water pump which id get done pretty sharpish if i had one. Im seeing higher mileage ones between 4.5-6ish, with decent spec but usually minus Xenons. Id prefer pre facelift for the hydraulic steering. If im correct facelift ones, mainly LEs go for considerably more?

Mr Tidy

14,436 posts

94 months

Wednesday 12th May
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Ads22 said:
Im yet to try a GT86 but have heard this about them often. I dont think i will for some time though to avoid upsetting myself! These are strong money for an auto, let alone a manual.

Just trying to establish a budget for 130i’s, of course for a water pump which id get done pretty sharpish if i had one. Im seeing higher mileage ones between 4.5-6ish, with decent spec but usually minus Xenons. Id prefer pre facelift for the hydraulic steering. If im correct facelift ones, mainly LEs go for considerably more?
I loved how GT86s drove but the engine was a real disappointment, and they aren't exactly cheap yet!

130is were just out of budget for me 2 years ago so I bought my E90 330i with the N52 engine, HPAS and Bi-Xenons for £3.5K.

LEs all have EPAS, but seeing as they are all 3 doors they weren't an option. Although Lemon leather is lovely!



Obee72

238 posts

52 months

Wednesday 12th May
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Join the BMW 130i Owners group on FB. You'll get sales on their before they hit the mainstream sites and a lot of useful info. Don't be scared about higher miles but look for good SH. I bought mine for just under £5k on 120k and sold for £100 less than I bought it for with 130k. It did have a folder full of receipts and I did the waterpump, £400 roughly at independent. We had a change in vehicles at the time so needed a bigger car but do I still miss it - absolutely !!!

Ads22

Original Poster:

145 posts

103 months

Wednesday 12th May
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Mr Tidy said:
I loved how GT86s drove but the engine was a real disappointment, and they aren't exactly cheap yet!

130is were just out of budget for me 2 years ago so I bought my E90 330i with the N52 engine, HPAS and Bi-Xenons for £3.5K.

LEs all have EPAS, but seeing as they are all 3 doors they weren't an option. Although Lemon leather is lovely!
No they are not and i feel you get just as much car if not more with the 1 series but if course it doesn’t have the looks and is older.

Ive looked at so much different machinery in my budget and these 130s certainly stand out. Ive found some nice examples just below 5k minus some extras however have waterpump due but other work done factored into price.

Failing this i think my only other option is to up my budget somewhat and jump back to a Mk7 fiesta ST, i used to own one and are great fun but these start at around £7k for a non battered example.

Edited by Ads22 on Wednesday 12th May 14:03

Mr Tidy

14,436 posts

94 months

Wednesday 12th May
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Ads22 said:
No they are not and i feel you get just as much car if not more with the 1 series but if course it doesn’t have the looks and is older.

Ive looked at so much different machinery in my budget and these 130s certainly stand out. Ive found some nice examples just below 5k minus some extras however have waterpump due but other work done factored into price.

Failing this i think my only other option is to up my budget somewhat and jump back to a Mk7 fiesta ST, i used to own one and are great fun but these start at around £7k for a non battered example.

Edited by Ads22 on Wednesday 12th May 14:03
The water pump failure is just one of those things that happens to any older car - it's just that the electric ones on N52 engines aren't cheap!

My first E86 had one die at 60K miles and 9 years, but my next E86 seemed to be on the original when I sold it on 91K miles and 13 years.

My E91 325i had one die at 135K and 12 years, but for all I know that might have been its 2nd one! My current E90 330i is on 115K and the pump is still working - for now!

If you could live without rear seats a Z4 might be more fun than a 130i.

ZX10R NIN

21,772 posts

92 months

Wednesday 12th May
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Ads22 said:
No they are not and i feel you get just as much car if not more with the 1 series but if course it doesn’t have the looks and is older.

Ive looked at so much different machinery in my budget and these 130s certainly stand out. Ive found some nice examples just below 5k minus some extras however have waterpump due but other work done factored into price.

Failing this i think my only other option is to up my budget somewhat and jump back to a Mk7 fiesta ST, i used to own one and are great fun but these start at around £7k for a non battered example.

Edited by Ads22 on Wednesday 12th May 14:03
If you don't mind stretching your budget by £500 then the 208 GTI is within reach & it's a car that's just behind the Fiesta for fun as well as being a cracking steer.

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202105102...

Ads22

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145 posts

103 months

Thursday 13th May
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Obee72 said:
Join the BMW 130i Owners group on FB. You'll get sales on their before they hit the mainstream sites and a lot of useful info. Don't be scared about higher miles but look for good SH. I bought mine for just under £5k on 120k and sold for £100 less than I bought it for with 130k. It did have a folder full of receipts and I did the waterpump, £400 roughly at independent. We had a change in vehicles at the time so needed a bigger car but do I still miss it - absolutely !!!
Well its proving tricky to find one. Unfortunately just missed out on one with fsh and recent gasket changes. The rest im looking at all seem to have sketchy service history or based hundreds of miles away. So think this is going to take some time....

Ads22

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145 posts

103 months

Monday 7th June
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Back again! So fairly set on 130i’s and am actively looking (quite tricky to find!) however the problem i have is when i do drive them i do get this nagging sense that its more car than i need again leading me back to what I originally posted (too fast and capable maybe?). I wont lie they are very very impressive and the engine really is versatile but because a lot of my driving is restricted to town the majority of my driving i rarely go above 50mph, and do the running costs justify driving something i wont be using to its best.

This probably applies to a lot of the alternatives ive considered too, ive also thought looking at something newer like a Fiesta ST - as being newer would less likely throw an expensive bill a 10year plus car would. However the initial cost would be higher - although thanks to a being turbo would probably be more fun around town at sensible speeds. However again would barely be making the most of its capabilities.

A lot of the newer stuff doesnt do much for me however so relegated to older stuff with higher running costs and performance. Ive looked at the inbetween more run of the mill type sportyish stuff, Swift Sports, C30, CRZs, but come away wanting something that feels a bit more special. The obvious answer would be something sport car shaped! mx5, mr2, Z4 but i do need practicality for work.

Am I overthinking this or is this legitimate way of thinking. I think this is whats causing me to be indecisive about my next purchase.



ChrisH72

729 posts

19 months

Monday 7th June
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Very definitely over thinking!

I like my Fiesta ST but its not the best town car. The low speed ride is busy but other than that it feels like any other Fiesta. Light and easy though so no bother.

You can't really use the performance of any sporty car in most day to day driving. It's for that odd occasion that we buy them and that alone is worth it. You clearly care about having a quick car so even though you don't need one you'll be disappointed with anything too pony.

ZX10R NIN

21,772 posts

92 months

Monday 7th June
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At 4.5-6k you can get a very nice 208 GTI with sensible miles which seems to tick a lot of your boxes, test drive one they're pretty special.

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202105202...

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202105243...

I do have a leftfield pick:

159 Ti 200

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202105273...

fflump

402 posts

5 months

Monday 7th June
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Ads22 said:
Back again! So fairly set on 130i’s and am actively looking (quite tricky to find!) however the problem i have is when i do drive them i do get this nagging sense that its more car than i need again leading me back to what I originally posted (too fast and capable maybe?). I wont lie they are very very impressive and the engine really is versatile but because a lot of my driving is restricted to town the majority of my driving i rarely go above 50mph, and do the running costs justify driving something i wont be using to its best.

This probably applies to a lot of the alternatives ive considered too, ive also thought looking at something newer like a Fiesta ST - as being newer would less likely throw an expensive bill a 10year plus car would. However the initial cost would be higher - although thanks to a being turbo would probably be more fun around town at sensible speeds. However again would barely be making the most of its capabilities.

A lot of the newer stuff doesnt do much for me however so relegated to older stuff with higher running costs and performance. Ive looked at the inbetween more run of the mill type sportyish stuff, Swift Sports, C30, CRZs, but come away wanting something that feels a bit more special. The obvious answer would be something sport car shaped! mx5, mr2, Z4 but i do need practicality for work.

Am I overthinking this or is this legitimate way of thinking. I think this is whats causing me to be indecisive about my next purchase.
It is tricky in any price bracket, but I often seem to end up buying a car that looks good and feels special even at low speed. As a kid it was Datsun Cherry Coupe N10, then a RD1 Hyunadai Coupe, followed by an Petrol Alfa 156, 159 Q4, now a Ghibli V6S. Go for what makes you feel good even when you're in a traffic jam!

Ads22

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145 posts

103 months

Monday 7th June
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ChrisH72 said:
Very definitely over thinking!

I like my Fiesta ST but its not the best town car. The low speed ride is busy but other than that it feels like any other Fiesta. Light and easy though so no bother.

You can't really use the performance of any sporty car in most day to day driving. It's for that odd occasion that we buy them and that alone is worth it. You clearly care about having a quick car so even though you don't need one you'll be disappointed with anything too pony.
Im inclined to agree there actually. I remember these being quite firm and crashy around town but found the engine was good for small spurts and pretty zingy. Really nice little cars but think there are quite a lot of them around now and many have fallen into the wrong hands unfortunately. I do have a soft spot for the fn2 but again are even crashier. I wonder if a 125i would fit the bill as it shares the same 130i engine in a coupe body albeit with less power. Only downsides are you lose the hydraulic steering and they are more expensive but in general than the 130.

I think the problem is my head says get something along the lines of a warm hatch but heart says something rare, collectible with an exciting engine as they will get harder and harder to find eventually with paying large sums of money.