Track Car Options

Track Car Options

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Mr_D

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20 posts

68 months

Sunday 13th June
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Afternoon all,

Another one of these threads, but I am genuinely torn and need advice/inspiration....

I am selling a JDM Impreza STI shortly, and the plan is to get a track car and a road car. Been dipping my toe in the water with track days for too long, and now is the time to get a dedicated car for track duties.

Hoping to have a budget of circa £5 - 7k for a track toy, so looking for recommendations... Could stretch perhaps a little above this for something mega. The car would need to be cheap enough to spend remaining on making it track friendly, or be ready to track. Preferably something road legal, but will consider factoring a trailer in to the budget.

Usual stuff springs to mind,

EP3 Type R (getting pricey now for good ones)
FN2 Type R
Clio 1*2/197
Mk 2 Megane RS (owned Mk3's before, and sadly out of budget)
E36 328i (Getting rare and pricey)
E46 330ci (too heavy?)
Mk5 Golf GTI

I'm 6ft 4, so MX5/Mk3 MR2 etc are out the window unfortunately.

RWD/4WD/FWD options all welcome.....

1781cc

383 posts

61 months

Sunday 13th June
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Well it’s not on your list but I advocate a MK1 Audi TT 225. There’s a lot of us tracking these now and proving there are options outside of the usual suspects. Check out the “Audi TT MK1 Track car” group on Facebook for build threads, weight saving and tuning tips - from low power trackers to 700bhp monsters, we’ve got them all.

Btw, I’m 6’ 4” and 103kg


Mr_D

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68 months

Sunday 13th June
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TT looks well, I'll have a look on the Facebook page. Never considered them actually, but I am defiantly intrigued. Nice to see something different also, exactly why I posted on here.

Xcore

813 posts

57 months

Sunday 13th June
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R26 / z4 3.0

Trackdayer

704 posts

8 months

Sunday 13th June
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Hello OP I'll give my opinions on the following

EP3 Type R - great option. Really needs a BBK and LSD to shine properly.
FN2 Type R - Cheaper / easier to find than the above but not quite as track focused. Nice on the road.
Clio 1*2/197 - 172 cup, yes, absolutely wonderful on small / medium tracks. 197 isn't as good.
E36/E46 - would be my first choice. Wonderful chassis and engines.
Mk5 Golf GTI - Good cars but not as good as the above selection

ps - If you did go for a Mk1 TT, the 3.2 is the one to have. More power, bigger brakes, thicker ARB and the option of DSG. Only real advantage of these is the Quattro system will let you dominate wet track days.

On balance I'd get a E46 330ci, BBK, decent wheels/suspension and you'll love it

Olivera

4,685 posts

206 months

Sunday 13th June
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1781cc said:
Well it’s not on your list but I advocate a MK1 Audi TT 225. There’s a lot of us tracking these now and proving there are options outside of the usual suspects.
Anyone buying a Mk1 TT as a track car needs their head examined, it makes no sense starting with a stodgy mess of a chassis. I would far rather go RWD (e.g. 328i) or FWD (e.g. Clio 172 or Type R).

Mr_D

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68 months

Sunday 13th June
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Xcore said:
R26 / z4 3.0
E86 Z4 3.0si is a lovely car, but too pricey when factoring in making it track friendly.
R26, definitely an option.

Mr_D

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Sunday 13th June
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Trackdayer said:
Hello OP I'll give my opinions on the following

EP3 Type R - great option. Really needs a BBK and LSD to shine properly.
FN2 Type R - Cheaper / easier to find than the above but not quite as track focused. Nice on the road.
Clio 1*2/197 - 172 cup, yes, absolutely wonderful on small / medium tracks. 197 isn't as good.
E36/E46 - would be my first choice. Wonderful chassis and engines.
Mk5 Golf GTI - Good cars but not as good as the above selection

ps - If you did go for a Mk1 TT, the 3.2 is the one to have. More power, bigger brakes, thicker ARB and the option of DSG. Only real advantage of these is the Quattro system will let you dominate wet track days.

On balance I'd get a E46 330ci, BBK, decent wheels/suspension and you'll love it
Thanks for your input. Owned a 330ci many years ago and was a decent car. I was probably too young to appreciate it properly thinking back. I imagine with weight loss and a decent set up, it would be brilliant. Will add to the shortlist.

brillomaster

621 posts

137 months

Sunday 13th June
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Ive tracked an e36 328, e46 328 and an e85 z4 3.0. The z4 was by far the best, all it needed was some track tyres and some decent brake pads and it was good for multiple 200-odd mile trackdays. No need for a BBK in my opinion.

5-7k should get a very tidy 3.0i, or even maybe a 3.0si with a peach of a straight six.

Plus its surprisingly spacious, seat goes really low and it has enough comfort to drive itself to and from trackdays too.

Mr_D

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20 posts

68 months

Sunday 13th June
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brillomaster said:
Ive tracked an e36 328, e46 328 and an e85 z4 3.0. The z4 was by far the best, all it needed was some track tyres and some decent brake pads and it was good for multiple 200-odd mile trackdays. No need for a BBK in my opinion.

5-7k should get a very tidy 3.0i, or even maybe a 3.0si with a peach of a straight six.

Plus its surprisingly spacious, seat goes really low and it has enough comfort to drive itself to and from trackdays too.
I shall bare it in mind then, the car will certainly be stripped/caged etc. so comfort/practicality isn't really a factor.

Wh00sher

1,362 posts

185 months

Sunday 13th June
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If you are looking for a ready to go track car, I'd suggest taking a close look at this.

I know the owner, who is on here actually. I've been on track with it many times and it's a well setup car.

https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/11548074

Mr_D

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68 months

Sunday 13th June
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Wh00sher said:
If you are looking for a ready to go track car, I'd suggest taking a close look at this.

I know the owner, who is on here actually. I've been on track with it many times and it's a well setup car.

https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/11548074
Saw this one, currently top of my list. Hoping it is still available when I've shifted my STI...

ZX10R NIN

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92 months

HustleRussell

19,675 posts

127 months

Sunday 13th June
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I like lightweights so some kind of low volume kitcar. Sylva, MK etc etc. Or get £11k together for a Caterham. No need to end up with something weighing a ton or more with the associated tyre, brake costs etc.

Mr_D

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Sunday 13th June
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ZX10R NIN said:
Looks decent, but 330 engine is a must at the very least for an E46, it isn't a light car.

Mr_D

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HustleRussell said:
I like lightweights so some kind of low volume kitcar. Sylva, MK etc etc. Or get £11k together for a Caterham. No need to end up with something weighing a ton or more with the associated tyre, brake costs etc.
Would consider an open wheel kit car, but might struggle with my height and stature....

ZX10R NIN

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92 months

Sunday 13th June
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Mr_D said:
ZX10R NIN said:
Looks decent, but 330 engine is a must at the very least for an E46, it isn't a light car.
True but once you gut the interior it won't be far off the 328i above, also it doesn't say but it may well be a 3.0 325i which gives more scope for BHP & it has a better chassis base point than the E36.

HustleRussell

19,675 posts

127 months

Sunday 13th June
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Mr_D said:
HustleRussell said:
I like lightweights so some kind of low volume kitcar. Sylva, MK etc etc. Or get £11k together for a Caterham. No need to end up with something weighing a ton or more with the associated tyre, brake costs etc.
Would consider an open wheel kit car, but might struggle with my height and stature....
I don’t think you would. I know a few people your height who drive standard Caterhams. I bet the other sevenesques offer more space than a Caterham too. It is the only type of car in your consideration where you can do away with the seat assembly altogether and mould a custom bag seat which would sit you on the floor. No windscreen to obstruct your view. Formula driving position, RWD, 600kg- quicker than anything else you’re looking at.

Mr_D

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Sunday 13th June
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ZX10R NIN said:
True but once you gut the interior it won't be far off the 328i above, also it doesn't say but it may well be a 3.0 325i which gives more scope for BHP & it has a better chassis base point than the E36.
Fair point, and I imagine swapping E46 engines isn't a huge job either.

Mr_D

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HustleRussell said:
I don’t think you would. I know a few people your height who drive standard Caterhams. I bet the other sevenesques offer more space than a Caterham too. It is the only type of car in your consideration where you can do away with the seat assembly altogether and mould a custom bag seat which would sit you on the floor. No windscreen to obstruct your view. Formula driving position, RWD, 600kg- quicker than anything else you’re looking at.
You have my attention, I'll make some enquiries into this, thanks!