350Z/370Z, Z4C, Z4 35i, 135i/335i, XKR/XFR, Monaro, or...?

[TameRacingDriver]

Have you owned one KTM?

I do like the Porsche Cayman but owned a 986 Boxster S previously, nice car but a bit serious and I was always concerned about its potential to shaft my wallet!

[Patrick Bateman]

A manual 987 will definitely be more fun than the Jag. Depends how much importance you place on different aspects as I don't doubt the Jag having a manual would make it much more engaging. Both tick the 'special' box.

[coldel]

Patrick Bateman said:

A manual 987 will definitely be more fun than the Jag. Depends how much importance you place on different aspects as I don't doubt the Jag having a manual would make it much more engaging. Both tick the 'special' box.

You wont get near a Cayman for 10k, maybe the cheapest one out there, but not a good one

The Boxster he has already said, hes had one.

But yes, not sure Ive read much in the way of lack of reliability in the X150 ... certainly someone cannot levy the reliability argument at a Jag then mention a Boxster or Cayman in the same breath as a good alternative reliability wise!

[Patrick Bateman]

[TameRacingDriver]

Now considering an XFR at the minute. This beardy guy on YT seems to think the XFR actually has more fun handling, a better noise (out of the box), more practicality, has more of a hot rod / muscle car feel, although the XK is the more 'special' car due to it's looks etc. Kind of like an E46 M3 v Z4M Coupe comparison. Unlike the BMW duo, the 'sedan' of the two is actually cheaper to buy too.

I must admit, while I do think the XK is a superb looking car, the XFR is no munter either, in fact, looks very good to my eyes, and has that sleeper element to it that might make it all round more usable/

[ChrisH72]

There’s a local guy with an XFR which I often see down at Tesco Express. When it fires up it does make you look round thinking my God what is that! Sounds incredible.

I’m guessing it’s too old and looks are more questionable but the S Type R was always highly thought of and they’re really cheap now. Often before 2006 as well so cheaper tax.

[ChrisH72]

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202205246...

That’s just up the road from me. Happy to go test drive it for you!!

I think you’d rather have the XFR though.

[TameRacingDriver]

I wouldn't rule it out, mind, I'm not in a position to buy at the moment, but if I was, and I did fancy one of those S-Type R's, then I've got to say that looks like a mental amount of car for the money!

[ChrisH72]

Yes it's tempting at the price.

Your thread has got me looking into fast Jags. Last summer I went on a Jag experience day in an F type R which was an awesome machine. At the time I was thinking perhaps about an early V6 coupe but ultimately 2 seats seems a bit of a deal breaker. They're still 25k for a decent one too which is a bit much for me. Then your comments about the saloon being cheaper inspired me to look at the XE V6S which seems comfortably under 20k for a 2016 with lowish miles. Reviews are positive so it's now on the (growing) list alongside hot hatches!

[KTMsm]

TameRacingDriver said:

Have you owned one KTM?

I do like the Porsche Cayman but owned a 986 Boxster S previously, nice car but a bit serious and I was always concerned about its potential to shaft my wallet!

Sorry I mis read - I thought your budget was £15k - a Cayman is simply a better Boxster

I agree 5-10% of them can throw a big bill so personally I'd only get an 09 (IIRC) onwards

However every Jag I or my mate's have owned, constantly gave trouble

[TameRacingDriver]

I'm certainly not dismissing your comments, but I must admit that from my own research, the XKR and XFR appear to be very reliable and robust, and probably the safest v8 choice . Other jags, not so much.

[KTMsm]

TameRacingDriver said:

I'm certainly not dismissing your comments, but I must admit that from my own research, the XKR and XFR appear to be very reliable and robust, and probably the safest v8 choice . Other jags, not so much.

A mate had an XFR about a year old, it was constantly back at the dealer for fault after fault after fault - if I recall correctly the gearbox either leaked / didn't work regularly

Another friend was a Jaguar Land Rover specialist he only needed four customers to keep him in full-time employment, one of them had an XKR it was regularly in for work I seem to remember various heater parts failing and then the floor needed welding when it wasn't very old

It's obvious why they have the problems when you look at the numbers - there was a good program explaining why, essentially they sell 100,000,000 5 series so BMW can invest fortune developing it

Jaguar sell 2 XFRs so they can only spend £2.50 developing it

I may have slightly modified at the figures but the difference was startling I'm sure a quick Google would find it

[ChrisH72]

I do wonder though with the age of these cars a lot of issues will have been sorted? Probably very important to look through service and maintenance records on any potential purchase.

[samoht]

KTMsm said:

Another friend was a Jaguar Land Rover specialist he only needed four customers to keep him in full-time employment, one of them had an XKR it was regularly in for work I seem to remember various heater parts failing and then the floor needed welding when it wasn't very old

If the floor needed welding then it was presumably a steel-bodied X100, rather than an aluminium X150.

The X100 is a facelifted XJS, no surprise it falls apart like a 1970s British Leyland car when it is a 1970s British Leyland car underneath.

The X150 is an all-new all-aluminium car, related to the contemporary XJ. It's the result of Ford spending $50bn on Jaguar factories, engines and alloy bodies to achieve a decent level of quality, before they sold up and things started going downhill again.

So the car OP is considering is much less bad than other Jaguars before and since, quality-wise. It may not be perfect, but then I have an '07 Merc V8 and that isn't perfect either. But I've not seen evidence to suggest that the X150 XK specifically is really disproportionately worse than similar premium V8 cars from Merc, BMW or Audi.

[Patrick Bateman]

Absolutely no engine is without its potential issues but surely the supercharged V8 compares favourably with any similar equivalents? You can expect a contemporary BMW V8 to be a nightmare by comparison, ask me how I know.

Piss coolant and oil for fun at this age.

[coldel]

Saw an XK X150 in a car park today, even in standard non R form it is a gorgeous looking machine.

[TameRacingDriver]

They are a very nice looking car for sure.

I spotted this one on ebay... seems too good to be true for that price, £9K for a 5.0 Supercharged model when they're normally double.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/374508997633?hash=item5...

I know that part of Manchester and it's a bit of a dive to be honest, and the guy has no feedback,

I've been seriously considering going for the XFR over the XKR, I've seen a few reports suggesting the XFR is actually a better steer, and they're cheaper, it seems possible to get into a 5.0 Supercharged XFR for under £10k, which would keep me within budget.

[coldel]

Yes seems somewhat iffy, no feedback, not registered with companies house, no website, about 20 cars for sale on ebay none photographed in the same place and all photographed on the road.

Could well be selling cars they dont have, or if you do actually buy it and have a problem they would suddenly vanish.

[samoht]

TameRacingDriver said:

I spotted this one on ebay... seems too good to be true for that price, £9K for a 5.0 Supercharged model when they're normally double.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/374508997633?hash=item5...

I know that part of Manchester and it's a bit of a dive to be honest, and the guy has no feedback,

The real ad is here on AT for £17.5k, outside Newcastle
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202212102...

it's a common scam, copy someone else's ad details & photos, list it at half the price, and then wait for a sufficiently gullible punter to come along and be scammed.

As you say if it's too good to be true, it probably is.

[coldel]

I’ve reported the ad to eBay be good if everyone else does too.