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NDA said:
EmailAddress said:
NDA said:
soupdragon1 said:
This is what I see when I see a 2025 plate Tesla
Do you have the same reaction to Porsche, Mercedes and Audi?Most large companies have some underlying moral issues to take umbrage with.
Most large companies don't do all the evil s

My point is that what a CEO might tweet is not going to influence my product choice. The product influences it.
I generally keep grudges within my family lifetime, and while product choice leads, I think it's quite remiss to not consider the greater impact on our society and world.
NDA said:
Their 'leaders' were very enthusiastic members of the Nazi party. Ferdinand was even an Oberführer in the SS.
My point is that what a CEO might tweet is not going to influence my product choice. The product influences it.
That’s your choice and nobody is arguing you shouldn’t have that right My point is that what a CEO might tweet is not going to influence my product choice. The product influences it.
But why people talk about the ownership of companies from 80 years ago as a mitigation for Musks actions is beyond me. And Musk isn’t just the CEO, he’s a humongous shareholder and is still revisiting his multi billion bonus which was invalidated by a judge.
The only saving grace is Musk can’t actually become the US president.
I’ll admit I make money out of Tesla, but I don’t drive one. And the funny thing is, I much prefer our BMW iX compared to any Tesla we’ve owned. People bang on about efficiency of EVs and how Tesla is more efficient. I worked it out, our 2.7ton BMW iX costs about £50 a year more to fuel than our previous Tesla Model Y LR. I can live with that. And the. mW has a longer real world range so we can get anywhere in the U.K. and generally back without publicly charging.
Gone fishing said:
Evanivitch said:
soupdragon1 said:
This is what I see when I see a 2025 plate Tesla
Can't believe people would buy one in light of his attacks on the UK
If UK cars were made in Germany I'd be considering one. Probably stick the Kia instead.Can't believe people would buy one in light of his attacks on the UK
soupdragon1 said:
This is what I see when I see a 2025 plate Tesla
Can't believe people would buy one in light of his attacks on the UK

In case you don't know
BBC News - Ros Atkins on...24 hours on Elon Musk's X timeline - BBC News
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/videos/c87dg3x1rd0o
He reminds me of Monty Python “ He’s not the Messiah he’s a very naughty boy”.Can't believe people would buy one in light of his attacks on the UK
In case you don't know
BBC News - Ros Atkins on...24 hours on Elon Musk's X timeline - BBC News
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/videos/c87dg3x1rd0o
Gone fishing said:
That’s your choice and nobody is arguing you shouldn’t have that right
But why people talk about the ownership of companies from 80 years ago as a mitigation for Musks actions is beyond me. And Musk isn’t just the CEO, he’s a humongous shareholder and is still revisiting his multi billion bonus which was invalidated by a judge.
The only saving grace is Musk can’t actually become the US president.
I’ll admit I make money out of Tesla, but I don’t drive one. And the funny thing is, I much prefer our BMW iX compared to any Tesla we’ve owned. People bang on about efficiency of EVs and how Tesla is more efficient. I worked it out, our 2.7ton BMW iX costs about £50 a year more to fuel than our previous Tesla Model Y LR. I can live with that. And the. mW has a longer real world range so we can get anywhere in the U.K. and generally back without publicly charging.
£50 a year more to fuel and about £20k more to buy. Probably on a lease so at least a few hundred quid a month more. But why people talk about the ownership of companies from 80 years ago as a mitigation for Musks actions is beyond me. And Musk isn’t just the CEO, he’s a humongous shareholder and is still revisiting his multi billion bonus which was invalidated by a judge.
The only saving grace is Musk can’t actually become the US president.
I’ll admit I make money out of Tesla, but I don’t drive one. And the funny thing is, I much prefer our BMW iX compared to any Tesla we’ve owned. People bang on about efficiency of EVs and how Tesla is more efficient. I worked it out, our 2.7ton BMW iX costs about £50 a year more to fuel than our previous Tesla Model Y LR. I can live with that. And the. mW has a longer real world range so we can get anywhere in the U.K. and generally back without publicly charging.
fezst said:
Gone fishing said:
That’s your choice and nobody is arguing you shouldn’t have that right
But why people talk about the ownership of companies from 80 years ago as a mitigation for Musks actions is beyond me. And Musk isn’t just the CEO, he’s a humongous shareholder and is still revisiting his multi billion bonus which was invalidated by a judge.
The only saving grace is Musk can’t actually become the US president.
I’ll admit I make money out of Tesla, but I don’t drive one. And the funny thing is, I much prefer our BMW iX compared to any Tesla we’ve owned. People bang on about efficiency of EVs and how Tesla is more efficient. I worked it out, our 2.7ton BMW iX costs about £50 a year more to fuel than our previous Tesla Model Y LR. I can live with that. And the. mW has a longer real world range so we can get anywhere in the U.K. and generally back without publicly charging.
£50 a year more to fuel and about £20k more to buy. Probably on a lease so at least a few hundred quid a month more. But why people talk about the ownership of companies from 80 years ago as a mitigation for Musks actions is beyond me. And Musk isn’t just the CEO, he’s a humongous shareholder and is still revisiting his multi billion bonus which was invalidated by a judge.
The only saving grace is Musk can’t actually become the US president.
I’ll admit I make money out of Tesla, but I don’t drive one. And the funny thing is, I much prefer our BMW iX compared to any Tesla we’ve owned. People bang on about efficiency of EVs and how Tesla is more efficient. I worked it out, our 2.7ton BMW iX costs about £50 a year more to fuel than our previous Tesla Model Y LR. I can live with that. And the. mW has a longer real world range so we can get anywhere in the U.K. and generally back without publicly charging.
Anything that is directly comparable is 20k more, doesn’t have the tech as standard or doesn’t have the range.
The only downsides are the ket junky madman in charge and the frog looks from the front. But then the bmw iX is hideous as well.
sam.rog said:
The Y is popular because it’s the “best” ev. No other car has the range, tech, size and cheap.
Anything that is directly comparable is 20k more, doesn’t have the tech as standard or doesn’t have the range.
The only downsides are the ket junky madman in charge and the frog looks from the front. But then the bmw iX is hideous as well.
The best tech is false in Europe, the auto wipers don’t even work properly, it doesn’t turn the headlights on when it’s raining like just about every other make, the autopilot phantom brakes, there’s no head up display, you don’t have top down parking cameras or parking sensors and have to rely on a bubble plot around the car, the voice control requires you to use stupid phrases, charging curve isn’t the best, you only have one driving mode and can’t chose between either one foot driving or the ability to coast with adaptive regen that responds to the environment. And £3,400 for the ability to park itself?Anything that is directly comparable is 20k more, doesn’t have the tech as standard or doesn’t have the range.
The only downsides are the ket junky madman in charge and the frog looks from the front. But then the bmw iX is hideous as well.
There’s no vehicle to load capability either.
It has games but it makes for an expensive Xbox.
Range, it’s no longer the king. A neighbour picked up an Audi Q4 this week and even in this weather they got 260 miles out of a charge, our Model Y LR would have given less, and our iX is 290 miles.
Space it has, but so does a transit van.
Price, new list it’s not bad but depreciation is dreadful.
People need to open their eyes to the alternatives and not just assume it’s the best based on a view from 8 years ago,
Edited by Gone fishing on Sunday 12th January 10:23
Gone fishing said:
sam.rog said:
The Y is popular because it’s the “best” ev. No other car has the range, tech, size and cheap.
Anything that is directly comparable is 20k more, doesn’t have the tech as standard or doesn’t have the range.
The only downsides are the ket junky madman in charge and the frog looks from the front. But then the bmw iX is hideous as well.
The best tech is false in Europe, the auto wipers don’t even work properly, it doesn’t turn the headlights on when it’s raining like just about every other make, the autopilot phantom brakes, there’s no head up display, you don’t have top down parking cameras or parking sensors and have to rely on a bubble plot around the car, the voice control requires you to use stupid phrases, charging curve isn’t the best, you only have one driving mode and can’t chose between either one foot driving or the ability to coast with adaptive regen that responds to the environment. And £3,400 for the ability to park itself?Anything that is directly comparable is 20k more, doesn’t have the tech as standard or doesn’t have the range.
The only downsides are the ket junky madman in charge and the frog looks from the front. But then the bmw iX is hideous as well.
There’s no vehicle to load capability either.
It has games but it makes for an expensive Xbox.
Range, it’s no longer the king. A neighbour picked up an Audi Q4 this week and even in this weather they got 260 miles out of a charge, our Model Y LR would have given less, and our iX is 290 miles.
Space it has, but so does a transit van.
Price, new list it’s not bad but depreciation is dreadful.
People need to open their eyes to the alternatives and not just assume it’s the best based on a view from 8 years ago,
Edited by Gone fishing on Sunday 12th January 10:23
No the wipers don’t work 100% of the time and it’s annoying coming from a car that did. But it’s a single button press.
Phantom braking is a thing in new cars. My bmw did it, the merc I had as a courtesy car did it, its not a tesla thing.
Personal preference with one pedal braking. I wouldn’t want to switch it off and any car that didn’t have it would be discounted.
Name me one car that costs the same as a model y which can do everything it does with the same options selected.
I went through the process a year ago and nothing did.
sam.rog said:
You’ve proved my point. You have named 3 other cars on individual cases to support why a model Y is inferior. The model Y isn’t the best at individual things but unfortunately it is the best when you add them all up.
No the wipers don’t work 100% of the time and it’s annoying coming from a car that did. But it’s a single button press.
Phantom braking is a thing in new cars. My bmw did it, the merc I had as a courtesy car did it, its not a tesla thing.
Personal preference with one pedal braking. I wouldn’t want to switch it off and any car that didn’t have it would be discounted.
Name me one car that costs the same as a model y which can do everything it does with the same options selected.
I went through the process a year ago and nothing did.
I think if anything you’re proving me right. It’s not the best at space, range, tech and price. It might be in your eyes the best combination of those things accepting it’s not the best at any one of them. No the wipers don’t work 100% of the time and it’s annoying coming from a car that did. But it’s a single button press.
Phantom braking is a thing in new cars. My bmw did it, the merc I had as a courtesy car did it, its not a tesla thing.
Personal preference with one pedal braking. I wouldn’t want to switch it off and any car that didn’t have it would be discounted.
Name me one car that costs the same as a model y which can do everything it does with the same options selected.
I went through the process a year ago and nothing did.
Our iX has never once phantom braked and in comparison to the Tesla system I used for 6 years is so more more intuitive and easy to work with you - just simple things like lane change on motorways, it just picks up automatically if you override it, no bing bong disengagement, big bk g manually reengaging, or if you’ve paid for EAP aborted lane changes.
Judge a car on a spec list v real world experience in how usable those features are reveals very different things.
I loved the iX we had on a week's loan. Built beautifully and rode well. Tech was ok. But it was a big footprint for a very average amount of useable space. New Defender is the same. Model Y did the long range charging without thought and was huge inside. Our usage case is holiday cottages in the lakes as a business plus 3 kids at uni spread Bath, Exeter and Brum. Just does as it says on the tin with no fuss. It was half the monthly of the iX50 we would have needed. The 40 was 200miles in winter at best.
But, if other stuff comes and offers it then I'm in. ID7 long range tourer is looking promising.
The UK charge network isn't Tesla yet and far from it. I don't agree with anyone that argues the opposite. We do 20l a year and watch with interest as others have issues that are non Tesla.
But, if other stuff comes and offers it then I'm in. ID7 long range tourer is looking promising.
The UK charge network isn't Tesla yet and far from it. I don't agree with anyone that argues the opposite. We do 20l a year and watch with interest as others have issues that are non Tesla.
Gone fishing said:
sam.rog said:
You’ve proved my point. You have named 3 other cars on individual cases to support why a model Y is inferior. The model Y isn’t the best at individual things but unfortunately it is the best when you add them all up.
No the wipers don’t work 100% of the time and it’s annoying coming from a car that did. But it’s a single button press.
Phantom braking is a thing in new cars. My bmw did it, the merc I had as a courtesy car did it, its not a tesla thing.
Personal preference with one pedal braking. I wouldn’t want to switch it off and any car that didn’t have it would be discounted.
Name me one car that costs the same as a model y which can do everything it does with the same options selected.
I went through the process a year ago and nothing did.
I think if anything you’re proving me right. It’s not the best at space, range, tech and price. It might be in your eyes the best combination of those things accepting it’s not the best at any one of them. No the wipers don’t work 100% of the time and it’s annoying coming from a car that did. But it’s a single button press.
Phantom braking is a thing in new cars. My bmw did it, the merc I had as a courtesy car did it, its not a tesla thing.
Personal preference with one pedal braking. I wouldn’t want to switch it off and any car that didn’t have it would be discounted.
Name me one car that costs the same as a model y which can do everything it does with the same options selected.
I went through the process a year ago and nothing did.
Our iX has never once phantom braked and in comparison to the Tesla system I used for 6 years is so more more intuitive and easy to work with you - just simple things like lane change on motorways, it just picks up automatically if you override it, no bing bong disengagement, big bk g manually reengaging, or if you’ve paid for EAP aborted lane changes.
Judge a car on a spec list v real world experience in how usable those features are reveals very different things.
Which car is better than the Y?
Saying a car which cost £20k more is better isn’t good enough.
Btw I’m not a Tesla fanboy and will be looking for its replacement in a year or two. But there isn’t much if anything out there.
sam.rog said:
You didn’t answer the question at the end.
Which car is better than the Y?
Saying a car which cost £20k more is better isn’t good enough.
Btw I’m not a Tesla fanboy and will be looking for its replacement in a year or two. But there isn’t much if anything out there.
I’ll answer the question a different wayWhich car is better than the Y?
Saying a car which cost £20k more is better isn’t good enough.
Btw I’m not a Tesla fanboy and will be looking for its replacement in a year or two. But there isn’t much if anything out there.
Why is the MY better than say an iD7?
The id7 has better range, isn’t more expensive, has plenty of cabin space, but is a little behind on tech in some eyes, not in others
Why is it better the Q4?
The q4 is more compact, has a bigger battery and better range, more refinement and similar priced
Why is it better than BMW iX3? The BMW is a much better cabin, quieter and more refined and I’d argue the driving tech is better.
Why is it better than a Kia EV9? The Kia has more space, seats that rotate, genuine 7 seat, great range etc
I could go on
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