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FeelingLucky said:
jjwilde said:
It's all great news but the usual trolls will just move the goal posts yet again! Hate is hate. 
Whatever could you mean? I completely agree with the unwashed that there will never be a $35k M3, unless you know different?rscott said:
FeelingLucky said:
jjwilde said:
It's all great news but the usual trolls will just move the goal posts yet again! Hate is hate.
Whatever could you mean? I completely agree with the unwashed that there will never be a $35k M3, unless you know different?
Not sure why EV manufacturers keep loading their vehicles with loads of electric motors to do stuff that we can easily do ourselves.
Surely, along with coloured flat screens, these all impact on the battery range.
Also sticking electric motors and batteries into already very heavy former ICE cars.
Why not stick an electric engine into the most basic Dacia Duster.
That'll be very cheap motoring with no extra electric motors to go wrong or use power.
Surely, along with coloured flat screens, these all impact on the battery range.
Also sticking electric motors and batteries into already very heavy former ICE cars.
Why not stick an electric engine into the most basic Dacia Duster.
That'll be very cheap motoring with no extra electric motors to go wrong or use power.
croyde said:
Not sure why EV manufacturers keep loading their vehicles with loads of electric motors to do stuff that we can easily do ourselves.
Surely, along with coloured flat screens, these all impact on the battery range.
Also sticking electric motors and batteries into already very heavy former ICE cars.
Why not stick an electric engine into the most basic Dacia Duster.
That'll be very cheap motoring with no extra electric motors to go wrong or use power.
OMG Surely, along with coloured flat screens, these all impact on the battery range.
Also sticking electric motors and batteries into already very heavy former ICE cars.
Why not stick an electric engine into the most basic Dacia Duster.
That'll be very cheap motoring with no extra electric motors to go wrong or use power.
Testing on a non-Tesla DC charger doesn't really prove much anyway.
Software could be set to limit charging on non Tesla chargers amongst other explanations.
The Model 3 EPA document says the battery can accept DC current up to 525A from an off‐board charger (Supercharger).
That'll allow at least 175 kW charging for the Model 3 with the current batteries.
The Model Y could (probably will by production time) have better chemistry still and 400v (or higher) batteries so I reckon the reveal on the 14th may mention at least 200 kW charging for the Y.
Software could be set to limit charging on non Tesla chargers amongst other explanations.
The Model 3 EPA document says the battery can accept DC current up to 525A from an off‐board charger (Supercharger).
That'll allow at least 175 kW charging for the Model 3 with the current batteries.
The Model Y could (probably will by production time) have better chemistry still and 400v (or higher) batteries so I reckon the reveal on the 14th may mention at least 200 kW charging for the Y.
FurtiveFreddy said:
Testing on a non-Tesla DC charger doesn't really prove much anyway.
Software could be set to limit charging on non Tesla chargers amongst other explanations.
The Model 3 EPA document says the battery can accept DC current up to 525A from an off?board charger (Supercharger).
That'll allow at least 175 kW charging for the Model 3 with the current batteries.
The Model Y could (probably will by production time) have better chemistry still and 400v (or higher) batteries so I reckon the reveal on the 14th may mention at least 200 kW charging for the Y.
Either way....technology is evolving quickly.... Surely only those with hidden agendas would decry it..?Software could be set to limit charging on non Tesla chargers amongst other explanations.
The Model 3 EPA document says the battery can accept DC current up to 525A from an off?board charger (Supercharger).
That'll allow at least 175 kW charging for the Model 3 with the current batteries.
The Model Y could (probably will by production time) have better chemistry still and 400v (or higher) batteries so I reckon the reveal on the 14th may mention at least 200 kW charging for the Y.
RobDickinson said:
I'm sure they'll change that with an update
You're aware there's science behind the limit in which to reliably charge a battery and if you exceed that you trade longevity for speed, its why Tesla do so much tapering of the batteries now. The M3 batteries are the same chemistry, just a different cell size, and so the same chemistry applies. So they may speed it up, but it won't be without a cost, and based on he current cars, they don't hold the peak charge rate for very long now. Heres Johnny said:
RobDickinson said:
I'm sure they'll change that with an update
You're aware there's science behind the limit in which to reliably charge a battery and if you exceed that you trade longevity for speed, its why Tesla do so much tapering of the batteries now. The M3 batteries are the same chemistry, just a different cell size, and so the same chemistry applies. So they may speed it up, but it won't be without a cost, and based on he current cars, they don't hold the peak charge rate for very long now. RobDickinson said:
Heres Johnny said:
RobDickinson said:
I'm sure they'll change that with an update
You're aware there's science behind the limit in which to reliably charge a battery and if you exceed that you trade longevity for speed, its why Tesla do so much tapering of the batteries now. The M3 batteries are the same chemistry, just a different cell size, and so the same chemistry applies. So they may speed it up, but it won't be without a cost, and based on he current cars, they don't hold the peak charge rate for very long now. Heres Johnny said:
RobDickinson said:
Heres Johnny said:
RobDickinson said:
I'm sure they'll change that with an update
You're aware there's science behind the limit in which to reliably charge a battery and if you exceed that you trade longevity for speed, its why Tesla do so much tapering of the batteries now. The M3 batteries are the same chemistry, just a different cell size, and so the same chemistry applies. So they may speed it up, but it won't be without a cost, and based on he current cars, they don't hold the peak charge rate for very long now. RobDickinson said:
EPA filing, the launch of supercharger v3, which we know wont work with S or X so what will it work wit? Jack Rickards tear down of his model 3 and monroes report also.
They've just quoted a standard in filing. Doesn't mean the car will do that.And how does a physical teardown show what the software profile of charging limits be?
https://i.redd.it/1vyh1cufln2z.gif
maybe the model Y is like this, we'll see on the 14th!
maybe the model Y is like this, we'll see on the 14th!
Edited by SpikeBmth on Saturday 9th March 19:01
croyde said:
Not sure why EV manufacturers keep loading their vehicles with loads of electric motors to do stuff that we can easily do ourselves.
Surely, along with coloured flat screens, these all impact on the battery range.
Also sticking electric motors and batteries into already very heavy former ICE cars.
Why not stick an electric engine into the most basic Dacia Duster.
That'll be very cheap motoring with no extra electric motors to go wrong or use power.
Except the Duster has a drag coefficient of 0.42 which is basically a house brick on wheels. Surely, along with coloured flat screens, these all impact on the battery range.
Also sticking electric motors and batteries into already very heavy former ICE cars.
Why not stick an electric engine into the most basic Dacia Duster.
That'll be very cheap motoring with no extra electric motors to go wrong or use power.
Don't worry about screens taking up power either, you can run an iPad for 10 hours on a tiny little battery. An EV battery would run a large LCD screen for literally years. It's a trivial amount of power.
Aerodynamic efficiency and good battery management is what really counts. You don't just stick electric motors into existing ICE platforms (except for VW's e-golf, lol)
SpikeBmth said:
It's almost like the Model Y is the SUV version of the Model 3......WHOA.....MAAA'AAAN...... Mind. Blown. What an idea....... To. Build. An. SUV. Version. Of. A. Saloon. Car. ..... f
k, Musk is clever. Why don't other manufacturers do that????..oh, hang on....
(was that a parrot? Anyone? Did you see and hear a Parrot?? It kind of WHOOOOOOSHED...?)
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