Re : Toyota GR Yaris - official!

[Martingale]

TWPC said:

Interesting to compare this new 3 door, turbo'ed, rallying hatchback with Toyota's last equivalent, the Celica GT-Four ST 205 from the mid 1990s.

GR Yaris data first, then the Celica:

Power: 257hp 239hp
Torque: 265lb ft 223lb ft
Weight: 1,280kg 1,440kg
Length: 3,995mm 4,420mm
Width: 1,805mm 1,750mm
Height: 1,460mm 1,305mm

GR Yaris is more powerful, lighter, taller!!?

Celica stats from here: http://gtfours.co.uk/stuff/facts/205/facts.htm#Spe...

P.S. The Yaris DOES have a rear seat. The specs on the Toyota press release state it can accommodate four occupants.

See here: https://global.toyota/en/newsroom/toyota/30976389....

They've really pulled out the stops, the interior of the Yaris is on a different level too....

[anonymous-user]

SuperPav said:

loveice said:

Hopefully it still has the back seats. A really hot hatch needs back seats. Otherwise, what's the point of keeping the hatchback shape.

Can somebody confirm this - the press release makes no mention and I've not found photos that show up clearly.
Definitely want rear seats!

In the top image on the article, look through the rear window just behind the B pillar. That's the second row head restraint. So it appears to have back seats.

[TWPC]

Roma101 said:

The Japanese seem to be doing more right than much of the rest of the car world.

Apart from arresting their bosses

Though they were clearly concerned enough by the potential international scrutiny of their justice system to allow him to escape.

[Kolbenkopp]

Dave Hedgehog said:

yeah, on checking again i think the initial introduction model will be limited

The absolute minimum they need to sell is 25000 units in the first 12 months of production. Else they can't get it homologated -- which would be a problem. Doesn't sound like very much, but this will be Asian and European market only. Looking at e.g. the first year of GT86 sales, that was ~ 20k in US, ~ 5.5k in EU and no idea about Asia / Japan sadly.

[TWPC]

mstrbkr said:

SuperPav said:

loveice said:

Hopefully it still has the back seats. A really hot hatch needs back seats. Otherwise, what's the point of keeping the hatchback shape.

Can somebody confirm this - the press release makes no mention and I've not found photos that show up clearly.
Definitely want rear seats!

In the top image on the article, look through the rear window just behind the B pillar. That's the second row head restraint. So it appears to have back seats.

The Yaris DOES have a rear seat. The specs on the Toyota press release state it can accommodate four occupants.

See here: https://global.toyota/en/newsroom/toyota/30976389....

[Tickle]

This looks fantastic!

Toyota

[V8 FOU]

Ursicles said:

Auto?

Think you might have missed the point of this car.

Haven't seen too many WRC / BTCC cars that are manual.......

[Rumblestripe]

My word that looks a bit good.

Hat doffed to our new bestest mates at Toyota.

[appletonn]

Rsx Boy said:

Need more power.
My Evo 6 RS's were circa 380 bhp.
Need at least that surly????

Not from the factory they weren't & no it "surly" won't need any more power at that weight. Strong torque figure too

[Rsx Boy]

nickfrog said:

Do you use all that power past 3rd gear and use all the lateral grip? Or are those roads private?

No Mr Frog.
My power question was/is all about grip, lateral or otherwise.
The joy of having "enough" power is that you can unstick the car, on your demand, on the throttle.
If you dont have enough to do this.......Will it be enough fun ?......are you going to pay 40 grand for it ?

Is feeling the car moving / having the ability to break traction a style of driving you like / derive fun from ?

This is a Rally car after all !

One of the promo vids does show big slides which hints a cheeky diff setup BUT it is on gravel and you can slide a stter on dust.

Your view on these things will colour if you try to get your name against one.

[Campfreddie]

swampy442 said:

rampageturke said:

real boomer sentence

Standard millennial quote.

This could be the first new car I ever buy, genuinely excited by this.

Also don't think Matt is old enough to be a boomer. Probably need to ask his parents for a real boomer sentence.

[Killer2005]

Another one to doff my cap to Toyota.

It looks really good and from the figures should be a absolute hoot to drive.

[croyde]

Just walked by a guy parking his 2019 Nissan GTR.

This Yaris kind of reminds me of one.

[AmitG]

I absolutely love this.

I wonder whether there will be a halo effect on the rest of the Yaris range, or whether that's no longer a thing.

[Rsx Boy]

Martingale said:

There is ZERO chance it will cost us £27,700 here in the UK brand new, you can quote me on it.

Copying and pasting my reply on the other thread:
The performance version in Japan is 4.56 million yen which translates to ~ £31,000

Based on that here's a method to indicate how much it could be in the UK:
A brand new Toyota Supra in Japan is 4,990,741 yen which translates to £34,800. In the UK it starts at £52,700

That's the sort of difference we're dealing with. In the case of the Supra it's 51% more expensive for us in the UK. So applying the percentage nets us £46,000. While I don't think it'll be that much it won't be far off.
I'll be surprise if this Yaris (performance version) comes in below £40,000

Exactly what I was thinking.
I like you method.

[British Beef]

smithyithy said:

Superb

Absolutely!

For me, if this goes ahead, will be the most exciting real world car Toyota has ever made. Bravo Toyota!

The thorny subject of price is the only slight issue. Needs to be sub £35k and ideally sub £30k.

Concern after last GR offering is that the price will be well north of £40 k.

[Kolbenkopp]

Rsx Boy said:

Is feeling the car moving / having the ability to break traction a style of driving you like / derive fun from?

Think modern tyres are making this increasingly difficult -- but at least the Yaris can be pseudo RWD (30/70), has a fairly short wheelbase and a similar power/weight to a Golf R.

[nickfrog]

Rsx Boy said:

No Mr Frog.
My power question was/is all about grip, lateral or otherwise.
The joy of having "enough" power is that you can unstick the car, on your demand, on the throttle.
If you dont have enough to do this.......Will it be enough fun ?......are you going to pay 40 grand for it ?

Is feeling the car moving / having the ability to break traction a style of driving you like / derive fun from ?

This is a Rally car after all !

One of the promo vids does show big slides which hints a cheeky diff setup BUT it is on gravel and you can slide a stter on dust.

Your view on these things will colour if you try to get your name against one.

Interesting but:

1. I don't think big powerslides are realistic on the open road
2. They are not allowed on track days
3. I can't see the road going version of the car being discussed here lasting very long on any gravel special stage.

So I am not sure what you mean by rally car and I can't see how it would need more power.

[salmanorguk]

Well this looks fantastic.
and...

Me, as the spec sheet gets better and better:

[Gandahar]

Ah so the 2020's have just started and a Toyota Yaris is making PH go crazy. Who'd have thunk it.

This new one looks ace, makes my diesel 1.4D rally prepped version look a bit staid




The Best B Road ever :- " I'm good"
Yaris GR :- " Hold my saki"

Yaris GR :- " Hold my other saki as well.


After all those years of Toyota with their sports cars and then going AWOL they are finally back on point with bang for buck reliable fast fun sporty cars with motorsport heritage.

The aftermarket tuning will be mental if that 3 pot is up to it. 350+ bhp with a 3 pot sound ... ooh matron.

Does it have a bifocal windscreen though for us current owners ?