Re : Toyota GR Yaris - official!

Re : Toyota GR Yaris - official!

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forest172

584 posts

170 months

Monday 1st March
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ecsrobin said:
Initial thoughts compared to the Evo?
Need to drive them back to back and once GR run in, but definitely from the same mould. Very pin point steering the obvious one. Time will tell. Don’t drive the evo in the winter or wet weather but that’s taxed as from today so will be looking forward to using them both

IO390

18 posts

16 months

Monday 1st March
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rossfitz said:
seawise said:
The Litchfield suspension development Yaris made £41,500 for the seller on Collecting Cars auction site tonight. The buyer pays another 6pcnt on top in fees. Pretty strong money !
So 44,000 all in with a 4000 pounds tuning and suspension pack. 6,000 pounds premium then with no wait time on car or Litchfield kit (which I believe now has a waiting list too)

Still 4 months or so until mine arrives, but that suspension upgrade interests me. Does anyone know how easy the adjustments are on the nitron springs/dampers? I'm not mechanically minded, but if it's simply a matter of a few clicks on an easily reached part then happy days.
To adjust the dampers there is an adjuster on each damper, but once set up you won't usually alter this.

Just bear in mind that whilst aftermarket nitrogen charged shocks will improve performance, they will not last as long as OEM shocks. Your OEM ones will usually last 50k miles plus before replacement is needed, but if the car is in daily use then Nitrons won't be expected to last much more than a year before a rebuild is required. A rebuild is a significant percentage of the cost of new dampers.

I have nitrogen shocks on my Elise but that isn't in daily use, whereas my Yaris will be so I'd struggle to want to replace the OEM dampers unless they wore out.

TramWrecker

195 posts

5 months

Tuesday 2nd March
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ecsrobin said:
Had to go to the butchers today which is quite a long route, the roads were surprisingly quiet and a pleasant 13deg outside. The car just felt so capable on the B roads and it was nice just to get to know the car a bit more. I’ve mainly been commuting which has got a bit dull (not because of the car) but being able to push on was a nice change. I also had another attempt at a 0-60 with a slight incline and got a 5.19 I’m still st at them and have no real need to get better at them but as there was an opportunity I thought why not.
Thats still good effort, it's very close to getting under 5.

TramWrecker

195 posts

5 months

Tuesday 2nd March
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rodericb said:
I picked mine up last friday. I never had any intention to sell it and I still don't - even if someone offered me $55k for it. Besides, I don't what I would replace it with for anything near $55k.
Nothing else except possibly the new Golf R?

rodericb

2,998 posts

90 months

Tuesday 2nd March
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TramWrecker said:
rodericb said:
I picked mine up last friday. I never had any intention to sell it and I still don't - even if someone offered me $55k for it. Besides, I don't what I would replace it with for anything near $55k.
Nothing else except possibly the new Golf R?
They're a bit too "default" for my tastes. Pretty much any dork can waltz down to VW and hook themselves up to whoosh and burp and soft-touch plastics via some manageable monthly lease payments and then get themselves abused by VW Australia on a regular basis with barely a kiss on the back of the neck, let alone a reach-around. Same with Mercedes and their A45. Some mates have and have had VW's and they don't seem to offer the trouble free motoring that I would expect, having been seemingly spoiled by Japanese manufacturers over the years with, gasp, reliability. One mate purchased a new MkVI GTI back when they were new and had problems with the car pretty regularly. The trouble started even before he had the car with the expensive options, his supposedly ordered car being sold to someone else from under him and having to wait months for a replacement. Then it was stuff falling off, dealer stuffing up repairs, wiring looms melting, inlet flaps failing to flap, promises to have things done in certain time-frames but not done in anywhere near and then, to top it off nicely, the catastrophic depreciation.

steveriddell

1 posts

33 months

Tuesday 2nd March
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MightyShrimper - Scarlet Flare, Convenience pack, April 22

ecsrobin

12,676 posts

129 months

Tuesday 2nd March
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steveriddell said:
MightyShrimper - Scarlet Flare, Convenience pack, April 22
Good lurking biggrin

rossfitz

403 posts

215 months

Tuesday 2nd March
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IO390 said:
To adjust the dampers there is an adjuster on each damper, but once set up you won't usually alter this.

Just bear in mind that whilst aftermarket nitrogen charged shocks will improve performance, they will not last as long as OEM shocks. Your OEM ones will usually last 50k miles plus before replacement is needed, but if the car is in daily use then Nitrons won't be expected to last much more than a year before a rebuild is required. A rebuild is a significant percentage of the cost of new dampers.

I have nitrogen shocks on my Elise but that isn't in daily use, whereas my Yaris will be so I'd struggle to want to replace the OEM dampers unless they wore out.
Blimey. OK I'll be in the same boat then as a daily driver. Do you think there's a product that gives you cabin control (with a button) and improves the motorway handling without a rebuild every year?

MiseryStreak

2,439 posts

171 months

Tuesday 2nd March
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Motorway handling. That’s a new one on me.

Pappyjohn

366 posts

35 months

Tuesday 2nd March
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rossfitz said:
Blimey. OK I'll be in the same boat then as a daily driver. Do you think there's a product that gives you cabin control (with a button) and improves the motorway handling without a rebuild every year?
If you test drive one you'll find that the car is totally fine on the motorway, if anything it's safer than most being 4wd. The Litchfield line of the car not being very good on the motorway has a few people in the GR forum puzzled.

Adg26

1 posts

1 month

Tuesday 2nd March
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What is the circuit pack like for everyday use. Can’t decide, CP or standard. Thanks

ecsrobin

12,676 posts

129 months

Tuesday 2nd March
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Adg26 said:
What is the circuit pack like for everyday use. Can’t decide, CP or standard. Thanks
2,000 miles of daily use and no issues.

TramWrecker

195 posts

5 months

Tuesday 2nd March
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MiseryStreak said:
Motorway handling. That’s a new one on me.
I like motorway handling.

TramWrecker

195 posts

5 months

Tuesday 2nd March
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rodericb said:
They're a bit too "default" for my tastes. Pretty much any dork can waltz down to VW and hook themselves up to whoosh and burp and soft-touch plastics via some manageable monthly lease payments and then get themselves abused by VW Australia on a regular basis with barely a kiss on the back of the neck, let alone a reach-around. Same with Mercedes and their A45. Some mates have and have had VW's and they don't seem to offer the trouble free motoring that I would expect, having been seemingly spoiled by Japanese manufacturers over the years with, gasp, reliability. One mate purchased a new MkVI GTI back when they were new and had problems with the car pretty regularly. The trouble started even before he had the car with the expensive options, his supposedly ordered car being sold to someone else from under him and having to wait months for a replacement. Then it was stuff falling off, dealer stuffing up repairs, wiring looms melting, inlet flaps failing to flap, promises to have things done in certain time-frames but not done in anywhere near and then, to top it off nicely, the catastrophic depreciation.
I've heard of similar stories with European cars, both in NZ and OZ, all from dorks smile

rossfitz

403 posts

215 months

Tuesday 2nd March
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TramWrecker said:
MiseryStreak said:
Motorway handling. That’s a new one on me.
I like motorway handling.
Some of the reviews have mentioned that on long journeys, because the suspension is 'busy', it can be can be tiring. I'd like to use the car for B roads and longer journeys (motorways included), hence interested in the ways to improve overall handling.

ecsrobin

12,676 posts

129 months

Tuesday 2nd March
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rossfitz said:
Some of the reviews have mentioned that on long journeys, because the suspension is 'busy', it can be can be tiring. I'd like to use the car for B roads and longer journeys (motorways included), hence interested in the ways to improve overall handling.
Best to get the car then see what you think. I’m finding it no issue on B roads or long motorway journeys.

Frimley111R

11,380 posts

198 months

Tuesday 2nd March
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rossfitz said:
TramWrecker said:
MiseryStreak said:
Motorway handling. That’s a new one on me.
I like motorway handling.
Some of the reviews have mentioned that on long journeys, because the suspension is 'busy', it can be can be tiring. I'd like to use the car for B roads and longer journeys (motorways included), hence interested in the ways to improve overall handling.
I think you mean ride comfort, not handling.

MiseryStreak

2,439 posts

171 months

Tuesday 2nd March
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rossfitz said:
TramWrecker said:
MiseryStreak said:
Motorway handling. That’s a new one on me.
I like motorway handling.
Some of the reviews have mentioned that on long journeys, because the suspension is 'busy', it can be can be tiring. I'd like to use the car for B roads and longer journeys (motorways included), hence interested in the ways to improve overall handling.
Yeah I think this is referred to as ride. Handling, to me at least, means how a car behaves in cornering, or handling corners.

So much is expected of a car these days, I don’t think anyone critiqued a 22B or an Evo VI TME on its motorway manners back in the day, and yet the GR Yaris is arguably a more bespoke and focussed car than either. Its chassis, body shell, engine and drivetrain all developed specifically for this car, rather than an adapted shopping model like every other hot hatch (and performance saloon) out there.

And yet it still rides better than the majority of those cars, due to its light weight, rallying intentions and consequent spring and damper rates.

Caddyshack

3,061 posts

170 months

Tuesday 2nd March
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MiseryStreak said:
rossfitz said:
TramWrecker said:
MiseryStreak said:
Motorway handling. That’s a new one on me.
I like motorway handling.
Some of the reviews have mentioned that on long journeys, because the suspension is 'busy', it can be can be tiring. I'd like to use the car for B roads and longer journeys (motorways included), hence interested in the ways to improve overall handling.
Yeah I think this is referred to as ride. Handling, to me at least, means how a car behaves in cornering, or handling corners.

So much is expected of a car these days, I don’t think anyone critiqued a 22B or an Evo VI TME on its motorway manners back in the day, and yet the GR Yaris is arguably a more bespoke and focussed car than either. Its chassis, body shell, engine and drivetrain all developed specifically for this car, rather than an adapted shopping model like every other hot hatch (and performance saloon) out there.

And yet it still rides better than the majority of those cars, due to its light weight, rallying intentions and consequent spring and damper rates.
I am sure that litchfield could work with notion to make an even more compliant ride. High end dampers can be amazing and there are plenty of bespoke companies if you are prepared to open your wallet. I have black art design on my 205 and for 1500 a corner I think they could do a bespoke build.

MiseryStreak

2,439 posts

171 months

Tuesday 2nd March
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I’m getting wait for a new car fatigue. And I’ve still got four months to go.

I don’t think it’s helped that I came home from work today and I’d received a NIP in the post (for our antipodean friends, this is not some Clarksonesque racial slur, it is a Notice of Intended Prosecution).

What was my crime? 80 mph on a deserted A27 on the way to my mother’s house. No points on my license and only speed awareness course was 7 years ago, so should be wrapped up by a Zoom call whilst reading EVO, but I’m still pissed off. 1 mph over the ‘10% + 2 mph’ threshold.

It’s making me reevaluate whether I should be buying a faster car. Oh well, if I get banned off the road I’ll sell it for good money and go back to enjoying my bicycle.

I could slow down and think of the children, of course.
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