Toyota GR Yaris - Official! (Vol 2)

[PhilPol]

For those interested in the trip to Sweden I took, here's a little montage I recorded:

https://youtu.be/YuUycGF14TM

[UK952]

PhilPol said:

For those interested in the trip to Sweden I took, here's a little montage I recorded:

https://youtu.be/YuUycGF14TM

Brilliant!

Youtube doing what it does this popped up https://youtu.be/RG8s8kQE5qc which i had missed so far but it is also worth a watch for fans of frozen lakes + GRY

(Misha of Nurburgring fame on a bilstein event with some old guy, Walter Rohl )

Edited by UK952 on Wednesday 29th March 10:39

[ColinMacC]

DriveSnowdonia said:

What on earth is going on at Toyota? Received a marketing email from Toyota UK today dated 2023 and saying:

"While you wait patiently on the list, why not discover a little more about the origin story behind GR Yaris?". Plus a whole load of info on the GR Yaris, including links through to an online brochure dated 2022.

I can't quite understand what's going on? I mean if production is finishing, why on earth are they still marketing it to people on the waiting list? Why use the phrase "while you wait patiently"?

Does anyone know where Toyota has got to with the waiting list? I ordered March 2022, wondering when people with the most recent deliveries/builds ordered? If I'm miles out, I might need to bite the bullet and buy used!

[PhilPol]

ColinMacC said:

DriveSnowdonia said:

What on earth is going on at Toyota? Received a marketing email from Toyota UK today dated 2023 and saying:

"While you wait patiently on the list, why not discover a little more about the origin story behind GR Yaris?". Plus a whole load of info on the GR Yaris, including links through to an online brochure dated 2022.

I can't quite understand what's going on? I mean if production is finishing, why on earth are they still marketing it to people on the waiting list? Why use the phrase "while you wait patiently"?

Does anyone know where Toyota has got to with the waiting list? I ordered March 2022, wondering when people with the most recent deliveries/builds ordered? If I'm miles out, I might need to bite the bullet and buy used!

Ordering and being on the waiting list are two different things. If you ordered then you still have probably at least 6 months according to the most recent buyer reports, if you only put yourself on the waiting list then you best go and buy one that already exists.

[ecsrobin]

ColinMacC said:

Does anyone know where Toyota has got to with the waiting list? I ordered March 2022, wondering when people with the most recent deliveries/builds ordered? If I'm miles out, I might need to bite the bullet and buy used!

Highest number seen is around 22,500 of a planned 25,000 so there’s 2,500 cars remaining to produce, production was planned around 900-1000 cars a month but seemed to run at around 750pm its been around 250pm for a fair few months which is why delivery dates are pushing back.

Do you mean March 2021? March 2022 the book had been closed for nearly a year unless you’re outside of the UK. If not and you’re on the wait list it’s over 10,000 strong before they closed the list.

[ecsrobin]

ColinMacC said:

Sorry - Should have said, put my name on the waiting list in March next year - looking to see when the latest people with a confirmed build put their name on the waiting list?

05 July 2021 was the last day a confirmed order was placed (+- a few days) wait list came out a few days later on 09 July 2021.

[ColinMacC]

ColinMacC said:

PhilPol said:

ColinMacC said:

DriveSnowdonia said:

What on earth is going on at Toyota? Received a marketing email from Toyota UK today dated 2023 and saying:

"While you wait patiently on the list, why not discover a little more about the origin story behind GR Yaris?". Plus a whole load of info on the GR Yaris, including links through to an online brochure dated 2022.

I can't quite understand what's going on? I mean if production is finishing, why on earth are they still marketing it to people on the waiting list? Why use the phrase "while you wait patiently"?

Does anyone know where Toyota has got to with the waiting list? I ordered March 2022, wondering when people with the most recent deliveries/builds ordered? If I'm miles out, I might need to bite the bullet and buy used!

Ordering and being on the waiting list are two different things. If you ordered then you still have probably at least 6 months according to the most recent buyer reports, if you only put yourself on the waiting list then you best go and buy one that already exists.

Sorry - Should have said, put my name on the waiting list in March 2022 - looking to see when the latest people with a confirmed build put their name on the waiting list?

[bencollins4]

I’m not sure hardly anyone on the waiting list has got a confirmed order apart from maybe a handful who might have been offered a cancelled order at the very top of the list. Joining that list in March 2022 leaves you without a hope of a car I’m afraid - best buy a used one.

[dvshannow]

They planned to make 25k I thought only for the homologation rules

If they don’t need to anymore and they don’t make money on the cars why would they still necessarily make 25k?

[swistak]

I wouldn't be surprised if they designed it so that it breaks even at 25k produced...

[ecsrobin]

dvshannow said:

They planned to make 25k I thought only for the homologation rules

If they don’t need to anymore and they don’t make money on the cars why would they still necessarily make 25k?

That’s what they said but I’ve only ever seen FIA rules stating 2,500 but I suspect as above it was economical at 25,000 (half of which is the Rally Shopper edition).

[dvshannow]

ecsrobin said:

dvshannow said:

They planned to make 25k I thought only for the homologation rules

If they don’t need to anymore and they don’t make money on the cars why would they still necessarily make 25k?

That’s what they said but I’ve only ever seen FIA rules stating 2,500 but I suspect as above it was economical at 25,000 (half of which is the Rally Shopper edition).

Interesting , I see only 2500 in a year required also now . Wonder why Toyota claimed the 25k…makes it feel like a marketing ploy

[ferrisbueller]

Typically with WRC homologation requirements, you have to sell 25,000 examples of a base car, and 2500 of them have to be the model variant being homologated for rally. Wikipedia's helpful example highlights Subaru: to homologate the WRX for rallying, you have to sell 25,000 Imprezas and of those, 2500 have to be WRXes. But, the GR Yaris is so different than the standard Yaris, Toyota will have to sell 25,000 for homologation.

https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/future-cars/...

[ecsrobin]

ferrisbueller said:

Typically with WRC homologation requirements, you have to sell 25,000 examples of a base car, and 2500 of them have to be the model variant being homologated for rally. Wikipedia's helpful example highlights Subaru: to homologate the WRX for rallying, you have to sell 25,000 Imprezas and of those, 2500 have to be WRXes. But, the GR Yaris is so different than the standard Yaris, Toyota will have to sell 25,000 for homologation.

https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/future-cars/...

That makes sense. FIA rules weren’t that clear.

[Captain Obvious]

This is why in Japan there is the 1.5 Auto FWD GR Yaris aka the RS spec GR Yaris. For homologation they only needed to sell 25k bodies. The intention was to sell alot of the 1.5L domestically to make up numbers.

[dvshannow]

Captain Obvious said:

This is why in Japan there is the 1.5 Auto FWD GR Yaris aka the RS spec GR Yaris. For homologation they only needed to sell 25k bodies. The intention was to sell alot of the 1.5L domestically to make up numbers.

How many of those sold and are they part of the 25k being counted?

Still , original point I made remains valid it seems that Toyota originally had to make 25k and now no longer need to

More likely they lose on every car than computed 25k as the break even point , as 25k is also the amount they had to make - so at this point why make more it’s not going rallying and has done about as good a job re elevating the GR brand as they could have possibly hoped

I quite like that they made a lot, it makes the car somewhat future proof as there is a critical mass + backed by one of the biggest manufacturers to ensure long term parts and servicing remain accessible

[ecsrobin]

dvshannow said:

How many of those sold and are they part of the 25k being counted?

Still , original point I made remains valid it seems that Toyota originally had to make 25k and now no longer need to

More likely they lose on every car than computed 25k as the break even point , as 25k is also the amount they had to make - so at this point why make more it’s not going rallying and has done about as good a job re elevating the GR brand as they could have possibly hoped

I quite like that they made a lot, it makes the car somewhat future proof as there is a critical mass + backed by one of the biggest manufacturers to ensure long term parts and servicing remain accessible

All this has been covered in the last day. But half.

You’d continue to produce what you planned to produce because of what you’ve ordered from suppliers. I doubt we will see another run now the Corolla is around but it is possible any unsold allocations from other countries go to a country that has a waiting list but that’s probably not the hundreds rather than any big number.

It’s all a bit of an unknown still but used cars for sale are starting to drop in number I expect that to continue until an announcement is made.

[Rawhide]

I am somewhat in a quandary. I decided today to take my dealer up on a GR Yaris test drive. I did drive one before putting down a deposit in May 21 but it was limited to 30 minutes and was in central Swindon in heavy traffic. I remember being impressed with the handling on the first round about but did not really get a chance to open the car up or see what it was all about.

I had a longer drive today and got to explore some more rural roads, albeit road that were unfamiliar to me.

I was left feeling a bit unsure if the car is for me. I love hot hatches and I love driving, but I've never owner a car newer than 2010. My last most modern car was a Clio RS 200 which felt far more focused in the corners than even the GR. The car felt claustrophobic and whilst it didn't bother me on the first test drive the mirror did seem like a real issue this time. I know it can rise a bit with spacers.

The car was clearly immensely capable as I'm sure everyone knows but even on open roads I still felt like I could not push the car anywhere close to its limits. I did not feel desperate to continue my test drive even though the dealer did not put any time pressure on me. The experience was just so much more modern car than I'm used to.

My car doesn't arrive until June. I've had enough of my stop gap car which is an even more impractical Honda CRZ. It felt spacious after the GR Yaris.

I'm also concerned that as a dad, whilst my kids could fit in the back just fine, the dog would hate me, meaning the kids would hate me. I'm leaning towards a stop gap estate to enable tip/ family activities but I'm wondering if I really would benefit from a Yaris in my life, perhaps alongside an estate car. I've been so used to spannering on my own cars, that I'd obsess about running a new car, and be a slave to a dealer service plan etc.

So a few months to think, I'm sure on roads I know the car would be amazing, but I'm wondering if the hassle of new car ownership is a step to far for me.

[PhilPol]

Rawhide said:

I am somewhat in a quandary. I decided today to take my dealer up on a GR Yaris test drive. I did drive one before putting down a deposit in May 21 but it was limited to 30 minutes and was in central Swindon in heavy traffic. I remember being impressed with the handling on the first round about but did not really get a chance to open the car up or see what it was all about.

I had a longer drive today and got to explore some more rural roads, albeit road that were unfamiliar to me.

I was left feeling a bit unsure if the car is for me. I love hot hatches and I love driving, but I've never owner a car newer than 2010. My last most modern car was a Clio RS 200 which felt far more focused in the corners than even the GR. The car felt claustrophobic and whilst it didn't bother me on the first test drive the mirror did seem like a real issue this time. I know it can rise a bit with spacers.

The car was clearly immensely capable as I'm sure everyone knows but even on open roads I still felt like I could not push the car anywhere close to its limits. I did not feel desperate to continue my test drive even though the dealer did not put any time pressure on me. The experience was just so much more modern car than I'm used to.

My car doesn't arrive until June. I've had enough of my stop gap car which is an even more impractical Honda CRZ. It felt spacious after the GR Yaris.

I'm also concerned that as a dad, whilst my kids could fit in the back just fine, the dog would hate me, meaning the kids would hate me. I'm leaning towards a stop gap estate to enable tip/ family activities but I'm wondering if I really would benefit from a Yaris in my life, perhaps alongside an estate car. I've been so used to spannering on my own cars, that I'd obsess about running a new car, and be a slave to a dealer service plan etc.

So a few months to think, I'm sure on roads I know the car would be amazing, but I'm wondering if the hassle of new car ownership is a step to far for me.

I have two kids (4 and 7 years) and a dog too, the Yaris is no good for family stuff, it certainly would be terrible to try and use as the only family car. I have a Focus for family stuff.

The GR (like any impractical sports car) is just a toy, an awesome one yes, but still a toy. Having one comes down only to what pleasure you'll get from it. You won't lose much if any money if you take delivery and run it for a month or two, you might be surprised once you settle into it how all the things you thought were an issue like the mirror and interior space etc all melt away.

Good luck.

[dvshannow]

PhilPol said:

Rawhide said:

I am somewhat in a quandary. I decided today to take my dealer up on a GR Yaris test drive. I did drive one before putting down a deposit in May 21 but it was limited to 30 minutes and was in central Swindon in heavy traffic. I remember being impressed with the handling on the first round about but did not really get a chance to open the car up or see what it was all about.

I had a longer drive today and got to explore some more rural roads, albeit road that were unfamiliar to me.

I was left feeling a bit unsure if the car is for me. I love hot hatches and I love driving, but I've never owner a car newer than 2010. My last most modern car was a Clio RS 200 which felt far more focused in the corners than even the GR. The car felt claustrophobic and whilst it didn't bother me on the first test drive the mirror did seem like a real issue this time. I know it can rise a bit with spacers.

The car was clearly immensely capable as I'm sure everyone knows but even on open roads I still felt like I could not push the car anywhere close to its limits. I did not feel desperate to continue my test drive even though the dealer did not put any time pressure on me. The experience was just so much more modern car than I'm used to.

My car doesn't arrive until June. I've had enough of my stop gap car which is an even more impractical Honda CRZ. It felt spacious after the GR Yaris.

I'm also concerned that as a dad, whilst my kids could fit in the back just fine, the dog would hate me, meaning the kids would hate me. I'm leaning towards a stop gap estate to enable tip/ family activities but I'm wondering if I really would benefit from a Yaris in my life, perhaps alongside an estate car. I've been so used to spannering on my own cars, that I'd obsess about running a new car, and be a slave to a dealer service plan etc.

So a few months to think, I'm sure on roads I know the car would be amazing, but I'm wondering if the hassle of new car ownership is a step to far for me.

I have two kids (4 and 7 years) and a dog too, the Yaris is no good for family stuff, it certainly would be terrible to try and use as the only family car. I have a Focus for family stuff.

The GR (like any impractical sports car) is just a toy, an awesome one yes, but still a toy. Having one comes down only to what pleasure you'll get from it. You won't lose much if any money if you take delivery and run it for a month or two, you might be surprised once you settle into it how all the things you thought were an issue like the mirror and interior space etc all melt away.

Good luck.

Agree it’s no family car, but I’ve don’t a couple of 250mi journeys in one with a couple of kids, imo it’s similar practically wise to a 911