Discounted stock Emiras...
Discussion
John D. said:
av185 said:
Yep I posted on this too.
Problem is no one knows what the tyre pressures were on those cars and bearing in mind Lotus s lax attitude with their Press cars they could have been huge differences between the two before you even factor in the different chassis set up.
On this very subject it is interesting Harry also severely criticised the 992 GT3s Press cars ride as being way too busy solely down to the double wishbone front suspension when it was actually more down to over inflated tyres on this particular car.
I'm a bit surprised someone like Harry (or any serious journo / youtuber) wouldn't check the tyre pressures were correct before reviewing a car. Especially if they have it for a few days. Problem is no one knows what the tyre pressures were on those cars and bearing in mind Lotus s lax attitude with their Press cars they could have been huge differences between the two before you even factor in the different chassis set up.
On this very subject it is interesting Harry also severely criticised the 992 GT3s Press cars ride as being way too busy solely down to the double wishbone front suspension when it was actually more down to over inflated tyres on this particular car.
EastStand said:
For all the flaws and criticisms it really does look the dogs gonads in that colour.
This is pretty much my ideal colour scheme.
https://www.auto100.co.uk/used-car-details/used-lo...
Red was the colour for me. This is pretty much my ideal colour scheme.
https://www.auto100.co.uk/used-car-details/used-lo...
That one there you list is not showing anymore. There's only two auto-box reds at all right now - both 3.5l V6's. Which I am kind of tempted to try - just for the sound and see how different it is to the i4 I bought. But then I think the i4 has the more modern engine and DCT. But I hear from some that the auto box in the V6 ain't as bad as one might think. We'll see. I doubt I can be arsed - the car I have - as I said - is a hoot to drive I'm even getting over 25mpg on average. The windscreen washer spray's packed up and from time to time the computer says 'no' - but if you insist on focussing on the 0.1% you don't like you miss the 99.9% that's amazing.
I think I'll stick with the 99.9%.
Edited by jamesgareth on Friday 10th January 09:53
Edited by jamesgareth on Friday 10th January 09:54
Edited by jamesgareth on Friday 10th January 09:54
ChrisW. said:
John D. said:
av185 said:
Yep I posted on this too.
Problem is no one knows what the tyre pressures were on those cars and bearing in mind Lotus s lax attitude with their Press cars they could have been huge differences between the two before you even factor in the different chassis set up.
On this very subject it is interesting Harry also severely criticised the 992 GT3s Press cars ride as being way too busy solely down to the double wishbone front suspension when it was actually more down to over inflated tyres on this particular car.
I'm a bit surprised someone like Harry (or any serious journo / youtuber) wouldn't check the tyre pressures were correct before reviewing a car. Especially if they have it for a few days. Problem is no one knows what the tyre pressures were on those cars and bearing in mind Lotus s lax attitude with their Press cars they could have been huge differences between the two before you even factor in the different chassis set up.
On this very subject it is interesting Harry also severely criticised the 992 GT3s Press cars ride as being way too busy solely down to the double wishbone front suspension when it was actually more down to over inflated tyres on this particular car.
Square Leg said:
Another update on an Emira bought from A100 - pretty horrendous list of issues tbh (although mostly not the making of A100 I should add).
https://www.emiraforum.com/threads/auto100-uk-trad...
A full strip down needed to replace a loom…
Really feel for the guy that bought it.
Christ, I think I'd just reject that...https://www.emiraforum.com/threads/auto100-uk-trad...
A full strip down needed to replace a loom…
Really feel for the guy that bought it.
Also strange that Lotus Colchester are doing the work as they are a tiny dealership - it's like a small cabin tagged onto a Hyundai dealer. You'd just think cars like this would get shipped back to the factory for the work involved.
av185 said:
Jesus.
That the 'dealer' doesn't come out too well would be an understatement.
Interesting they claim the car was 'serviced' at an official Lotus dealer 3 days before it arrived lol. As if.
Battery replaced at owners cost?
How was the paint bubbling not spotted by the buyer.
Clutch release collapse needs a new unit.
Both wiring looms are a major strip down.
Do feel for the buyer.
Definitely all the signs of a classic Lotus reject bought in cheap probably mid £40ks.
The paint bubbling could be missed as the cars are located in a bloody great hanger with crap lighting and no test drives allowed. They appear to work on people ordering online and the first time you get the car in daylight is after you’ve bought it.That the 'dealer' doesn't come out too well would be an understatement.
Interesting they claim the car was 'serviced' at an official Lotus dealer 3 days before it arrived lol. As if.
Battery replaced at owners cost?
How was the paint bubbling not spotted by the buyer.
Clutch release collapse needs a new unit.
Both wiring looms are a major strip down.
Do feel for the buyer.
Definitely all the signs of a classic Lotus reject bought in cheap probably mid £40ks.
You’d still think a potential purchaser would look over the car with a magnifying glass with the known paint issues but the above won’t help.
EastStand said:
av185 said:
Jesus.
How was the paint bubbling not spotted by the buyer.
The paint bubbling could be missed as the cars are located in a bloody great hanger with crap lighting and no test drives allowed. They appear to work on people ordering online and the first time you get the car in daylight is after you’ve bought it.How was the paint bubbling not spotted by the buyer.
You’d still think a potential purchaser would look over the car with a magnifying glass with the known paint issues but the above won’t help.
CorradoTDI said:
Square Leg said:
Another update on an Emira bought from A100 - pretty horrendous list of issues tbh (although mostly not the making of A100 I should add).
https://www.emiraforum.com/threads/auto100-uk-trad...
A full strip down needed to replace a loom…
Really feel for the guy that bought it.
Christ, I think I'd just reject that...https://www.emiraforum.com/threads/auto100-uk-trad...
A full strip down needed to replace a loom…
Really feel for the guy that bought it.
Also strange that Lotus Colchester are doing the work as they are a tiny dealership - it's like a small cabin tagged onto a Hyundai dealer. You'd just think cars like this would get shipped back to the factory for the work involved.
If A100 end up taking back a number of rejected cars, which will be harder to resell, I guess they might regret the deal they did with Lotus.
It feels a bit like;
Lotus registered cars as demonstrators and/or for the press, staff etc.
Some of these had material faults, which the factory wouldn't take back to fix and franchised dealers are unable to fix. No parts supply etc.
Said cars sold through auctions or direct to non franchised dealers.
I think the only Emira I'd buy is a one private owner example, ideally via Jon.
Lotus registered cars as demonstrators and/or for the press, staff etc.
Some of these had material faults, which the factory wouldn't take back to fix and franchised dealers are unable to fix. No parts supply etc.
Said cars sold through auctions or direct to non franchised dealers.
I think the only Emira I'd buy is a one private owner example, ideally via Jon.
av185 said:
As previously mentioned the true fun with these Emiras is going to arrive soon when the early run cars get to 3+ years old when the paint and bodywork warranty expires.
Wonder what the cost of replacement panels and a proper paint job will be.....
Can you extend warranty with Lotus? Wonder what the cost of replacement panels and a proper paint job will be.....
av185 said:
As previously mentioned the true fun with these Emiras is going to arrive soon when the early run cars get to 3+ years old when the paint and bodywork warranty expires.
Wonder what the cost of replacement panels and a proper paint job will be.....
I’ve just been chatting with a main dealer about this - he says the total cost per car for new doors and painting, fitting etc is £7k.Wonder what the cost of replacement panels and a proper paint job will be.....
He’s done loads and has about 10 Emiras in the workshop waiting for stuff to be done.
interstellar said:
RS, any progress?
Have you been to lotus and checked about transport blocks, tyre pressures or anything else to get yours sorted.
Nothing yet the weather means none tomorrow either maybe sunday if the weather breaks! Last night spent a while gently removing all the ice from the cover on the Emira...this morning it was there again (I live in a small valley surrounded by trees so frost is an issue at times). This evening deep frost already covering the Emira cover again. So lets see how long it takes for that to thaw out mid morning...pointless rushing things. I have a really thick breathable multi layer cover which does an amazing job of protecting the Emira but it also generates some thermal dynamics as the inner layer is very soft so keeps the Emira nice & snug like a tea cosy! But makes the outlayer generate little ice sheets which gently melt unless you want to manually remove them when temps rise. Worse thing you can do is force the issue so have to let mother nature take its own course!Have you been to lotus and checked about transport blocks, tyre pressures or anything else to get yours sorted.
Found an actual Lotus dealer willing to help me get a 2nd keyfob (they even have one instock) just need them to book me in for that & the control unit firmware updates at the same time (apparently all the control units got recent firmware updates for various improvements).
So that's moving in a positive direction.....my Emira has nothing wrong with it at all & is still almost pristine (apart from a tiny 1" area on the inner diamond cut alloy spoke got road debris (no other explanation its in a very hard to reach inner area cannot be a kerbing!) which has stripped some paint from it......SOB to get that fixed will just paint to avoid it rusting not prepared to send the entire wheel away & be offroad for a proper repair right now. I have pictures of the area when I collected the car it was not there at all so can only be a small piece road debris brushing against it to remove the paint. All it takes is 1 little stone to do that at high speed the RPM will do the rest if the wrong angle of impact!
Leaves me the handling issue so when possible will check for the blocks, then next thing will be tyre pressures ignoring the TPMS readings going directly to the tyre using a digital meter & adjusting to the non track recommended pressure(s). If that does not produce any positive results I will probably gamble on new set of tyres first (I always loved the feel of the Bridgestone Potenza Sports - which I can get for the Emira i4 - so will try a set of them). If after all of that still same issue main dealer will be next.
Not going to change the suspension at this time been heavily advised against that as would lose the Lotus warranty.
Apparently these Goodyear LTS are a very hard compound & designed to last for tens of thousands of miles ROFL might be why they feel so hard to me! A Lotus tech has told me not much in it between Touring or Sports suspension at all comfort wise so its looking like tyres or those transport blockers being left in place. He also advised me from pursuing changing to Touring from Sports its literally 5-10mm difference. If the Goodyears are such a hard compound & the alternatives last about 10-12K miles on average it makes me wonder just how ffin hard the LTS tyre actually is..........
Spent a few hours listening to a podcast with Gavan Kershaw, Russell Carr & Matt Windle. Gavan mentioned several times not a massive difference between Tour & Sports suspension setups at all. Gavan talked a bit about how much difference rubber compounds & the chemicals used to construct the tyre make (cost vs longevity vs performance) It seems my discomfort might be the actual tyres & our roads & climate. In a hot climate on better roads its probably not as big an issue...........
NRG1976 said:
The difference in ride feel is marked between touring and sport apparently. Whilst spring rates are slightly different between the 2, lotus guy was saying it was more to do with dampers. I’m no expert but that’s what was said.
You can lower the OEM shocks by 10mm apparently. Just dismantle a little set to the lower point then tighten up again...not sure how much 10mm difference makes buts its relatively safe to do so.RS_MAN_CHILD said:
Apparently these Goodyear LTS are a very hard compound & designed to last for tens of thousands of miles ROFL might be why they feel so hard to me! A Lotus tech has told me not much in it between Touring or Sports suspension at all comfort wise so its looking like tyres or those transport blockers being left in place. He also advised me from pursuing changing to Touring from Sports its literally 5-10mm difference. If the Goodyears are such a hard compound & the alternatives last about 10-12K miles on average it makes me wonder just how ffin hard the LTS tyre actually is..........
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I sympathise with your issues RS and as I said earlier, I would probably have been in the same place. This is just my thoughts based on how I would have done had I got there - which I probably would have done if I'd carried on with my sports chassis order.ue...........
My view of the Lotus suspension is there is quite a lot of difference between the sports and touring setups made by the summation of multiple small differences between the two - springs, dampers, geo and the like. This is the skill of Lotus. That means that they are obviously very similar but different in a number of areas. This then means it's not just a tyre thing. Also there is confusion in what you are saying about the tyre. It's not to do with the compound per se and how long they last. It's about the whole construction and there are many components to that. That results in a tyre that acts as a suspension component in a certain way. There may be some change to sidewall stiffness with temperature, but not that much. Also tyres warm up as they are used even in cold temps.
So what am I saying? If one has a suspension that one doesn't like (assuming there's no actual failed components), it's a long old slog trying to improve it with aftermarket components (unless someone clever has done the development work) If it were me, the fact that there is a touring suspension available which is different (and reviewed to be different) I would firstly test drive to see if that was to my liking. If neither were, then I'd abandon the model and p/ex my car for one to my liking from a different manufacturer. If the Touring was good, I would p/ex or find another way to get to the Touring chassis.
Good luck in the journey, hope it's fun, not a chore.
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