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highway said:
Might be doubtful, in your opinion. I think the 718 interior is old now. It’s nice enough but little different from 981. That dates back to 2012. It’s familiar but doesn’t feel special. Interior of the Emira does feel premium. In my opinion. So it should given the new price point.
Agree the 718 interior unsurprisingly feels old now (although nicely updated from the 981) but that tbh is part of its 'android' appeal in contrast to the way 911 interiors have gone these being quality finishes but equally shunned by many buyers including myself due to the swathes of black screens lack of interactivity and nanny state tech diluting the driving experience which is what the car overall is about.The Emira interior is ok and decent quality overall but it is let down buy the poor seats/lack of support/position being way too high which whilst looking good actually are a major disappointment overall and there is only one seat choice too which is poor given the price point of the car new. It is rather like the Emira package overall....looks great as a car but with inherent flaws.
The instrument display is decidedly cheap looking and the centrally mounted main screen way too big looking like a last minute afterthought tacked on the dash.
Emira interior is an improvement on the Evora which it needed to be, nothing wrong with a Porsche interior however some of the options and stitching permutations very costly but nothing dated about that. Who chooses one of these cars based purely on the interior ?
The problems for the Lotus will be, depreciation (even used expect much further losses vs a Porsche), well documented build quality issues, reliability & warranty service; and if you're planning on keeping for 5+ years will Lotus even still be around ? Hopefully of course but if you're investing your own money it could be a concern.
Porsche residuals are rock solid, extended warranty available for 15 years or 125k miles and they pay out on most stuff based on forum feedback here (not sure about Lotus) and a large dealer network are all in its favour. However the Lotus is a fantastic drive in my view, great steering feedback, looks but the seats were a bit uncomfortable.
The problems for the Lotus will be, depreciation (even used expect much further losses vs a Porsche), well documented build quality issues, reliability & warranty service; and if you're planning on keeping for 5+ years will Lotus even still be around ? Hopefully of course but if you're investing your own money it could be a concern.
Porsche residuals are rock solid, extended warranty available for 15 years or 125k miles and they pay out on most stuff based on forum feedback here (not sure about Lotus) and a large dealer network are all in its favour. However the Lotus is a fantastic drive in my view, great steering feedback, looks but the seats were a bit uncomfortable.
Honeywell said:
I think Geely are backing away from Lotus and sniffing at Aston Martin instead. Eletra is a sales disaster with awful reviews. Emira I fear for long term servicing and spares support in the UK. Dumping faulty cars on Auto100 looks to be an awful act of desperation. What a mess.
Hmmmm. Do you have any actual evidence for what you say about Geely backing away from Lotus? Like actual evidence? That would be interesting to read. Acorn1 said:
I drove my friends V6 manual last weekend, have to say i was a bit disappointed.
Whilst being stunning to look at, the interior seemed a little shoddy, the manual gearbox was so notchy, I had trouble finding the right gears, although I’d probably get used to it.
It was pretty quick, but noisy inside.
Steering and handling, superb.
I’m just not sure I could live with it as a daily driver.
I’d like to try the 2.0 auto.
It was a joy to get back in the Golf R for the journey home, didn’t feel much slower and a much nicer place to be. Obviously a very different car
I think its the hype around the Emira doesn't help. Its like those restaurants that people rave about, you go and its good but it can never meet your inflated expectations. I to wanted to love the V6 Emira but for me it was cramped, uncomfortable, raw and with a shockingly vague gear change. After the test drive it made my leggy 10 year old BMW i8 feel like a limo (admittedly more of a GT) Whilst being stunning to look at, the interior seemed a little shoddy, the manual gearbox was so notchy, I had trouble finding the right gears, although I’d probably get used to it.
It was pretty quick, but noisy inside.
Steering and handling, superb.
I’m just not sure I could live with it as a daily driver.
I’d like to try the 2.0 auto.
It was a joy to get back in the Golf R for the journey home, didn’t feel much slower and a much nicer place to be. Obviously a very different car
iain123 said:
I think its the hype around the Emira doesn't help. Its like those restaurants that people rave about, you go and its good but it can never meet your inflated expectations. I to wanted to love the V6 Emira but for me it was cramped, uncomfortable, raw and with a shockingly vague gear change. After the test drive it made my leggy 10 year old BMW i8 feel like a limo (admittedly more of a GT)
And I think that is the problem in a nutshell.Lotus have tried to make a car which is more appealing to a wider audience so that they can grow. In doing so it turns out that it isn’t hardcore enough for real enthusiasts but then it isn’t refined enough for non enthusiasts, so it has ended up in an uncomfortable middle ground. Add to the this pricing, reports of poor quality and dealer/manufacturer support and you end up where we are.
Unfortunately I struggle to see a long term future for the brand that we know and love.
I watched the Petrol Ped video where he did a long term review of the car, both V6 manual and 2.0. The criticism of the 2.0 gearbox being slow to change was quite surprising I have to say, you could see on the video he hit the paddle and it took at least a second or so before it actually actioned the change. That would certainly be a deal breaker for me.
Edited by Count897 on Tuesday 21st January 14:46
The DCT has been software fixed now. I drove one in December and it was as fast as any other DCT I have used.
The used values have been battered by dumping dozens of very low mileage cars on Auto100 for high £50's whilst new versions are on the market for £90k.
In this market segment lots of customers DO NOT want to get entangled with cars that have serious quality issues, dealers that are inept and a long way away and the general hassle of all that. At least with Porsche the quality is consistent and there will be a professionally acting dealer somewhere fairly nearby. The actual car is only part of the ownership experience and the predictable depreciation of Porsche is a huge advantage for buyers of two seat expensive sports cars.
I want an Emira but I don't want a load of extra hassle in my life.
The used values have been battered by dumping dozens of very low mileage cars on Auto100 for high £50's whilst new versions are on the market for £90k.
In this market segment lots of customers DO NOT want to get entangled with cars that have serious quality issues, dealers that are inept and a long way away and the general hassle of all that. At least with Porsche the quality is consistent and there will be a professionally acting dealer somewhere fairly nearby. The actual car is only part of the ownership experience and the predictable depreciation of Porsche is a huge advantage for buyers of two seat expensive sports cars.
I want an Emira but I don't want a load of extra hassle in my life.
Honeywell said:
The DCT has been software fixed now. I drove one in December and it was as fast as any other DCT I have used.
The used values have been battered by dumping dozens of very low mileage cars on Auto100 for high £50's whilst new versions are on the market for £90k.
In this market segment lots of customers DO NOT want to get entangled with cars that have serious quality issues, dealers that are inept and a long way away and the general hassle of all that. At least with Porsche the quality is consistent and there will be a professionally acting dealer somewhere fairly nearby. The actual car is only part of the ownership experience and the predictable depreciation of Porsche is a huge advantage for buyers of two seat expensive sports cars.
I want an Emira but I don't want a load of extra hassle in my life.
Agreed, I have started looking at other cars - can’t be done with the build issues, lack of support and potentially the parent company deciding they have had enough.The used values have been battered by dumping dozens of very low mileage cars on Auto100 for high £50's whilst new versions are on the market for £90k.
In this market segment lots of customers DO NOT want to get entangled with cars that have serious quality issues, dealers that are inept and a long way away and the general hassle of all that. At least with Porsche the quality is consistent and there will be a professionally acting dealer somewhere fairly nearby. The actual car is only part of the ownership experience and the predictable depreciation of Porsche is a huge advantage for buyers of two seat expensive sports cars.
I want an Emira but I don't want a load of extra hassle in my life.
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