RE: Official: 2022 INEOS Grenadier priced from £49k
Discussion
One big question has to be the MPG. I mean of course it will be poor, but are we thinking Hilux 30 ish MPG for the diesel variant or 20.
So I'm a sucker for this kind of thing, but have always stopped my Hilux itch when confronted by a higher than normal mileage and the cost of fuel. OK for companies that offset tax, but if as some say it will be the hunter welly brigade in the UK going for these - well huge fuel consumption may be off putting? While range in more out of the way places on the planet may also be an issue I guess?
So I'm a sucker for this kind of thing, but have always stopped my Hilux itch when confronted by a higher than normal mileage and the cost of fuel. OK for companies that offset tax, but if as some say it will be the hunter welly brigade in the UK going for these - well huge fuel consumption may be off putting? While range in more out of the way places on the planet may also be an issue I guess?
£49k for that… 
So much for it being a £30k 300tdi 110 replacement like the new defender haters were dreaming of.
Also massively overpriced compared to D max, Ranger, hilux etc.
The VED prices for it with those co2 figures is going to really hurt.
Still going to buy a new defender over this thing.
So much for it being a £30k 300tdi 110 replacement like the new defender haters were dreaming of.
Also massively overpriced compared to D max, Ranger, hilux etc.
The VED prices for it with those co2 figures is going to really hurt.
Still going to buy a new defender over this thing.
Is there some kind of clause from BMW when using their engine and gearbox that you can't change the shape of the hideous gear-selector??
It's bad enough in the Toyota Supra, looks like a joke here especially next to the hi-low range selector, and in the Morgan Plus Six... don't even get me started!
That aside I'm probably in the minority here in liking the Grenadier for the most part...
It's bad enough in the Toyota Supra, looks like a joke here especially next to the hi-low range selector, and in the Morgan Plus Six... don't even get me started!
That aside I'm probably in the minority here in liking the Grenadier for the most part...
Numeric said:
One big question has to be the MPG. I mean of course it will be poor, but are we thinking Hilux 30 ish MPG for the diesel variant or 20.
So I'm a sucker for this kind of thing, but have always stopped my Hilux itch when confronted by a higher than normal mileage and the cost of fuel. OK for companies that offset tax, but if as some say it will be the hunter welly brigade in the UK going for these - well huge fuel consumption may be off putting? While range in more out of the way places on the planet may also be an issue I guess?
Repeating what I said in the other thread (I’m not a raving eco warrior at all) - Petrol 18.9mpg and Diesel 23.9 combined cycle. It’s honestly quite shocking. It’ll be what, 12 or 14mpg in town? It’s not even Bentley W12 levels. it is a brick on wheels. But still….So I'm a sucker for this kind of thing, but have always stopped my Hilux itch when confronted by a higher than normal mileage and the cost of fuel. OK for companies that offset tax, but if as some say it will be the hunter welly brigade in the UK going for these - well huge fuel consumption may be off putting? While range in more out of the way places on the planet may also be an issue I guess?
dpop said:
Is there some kind of clause from BMW when using their engine and gearbox that you can't change the shape of the hideous gear-selector??
It's bad enough in the Toyota Supra, looks like a joke here especially next to the hi-low range selector, and in the Morgan Plus Six... don't even get me started!
That aside I'm probably in the minority here in liking the Grenadier for the most part...
It's a type approval/safety thing. The gear selector isn't just a handle connected to a lever going into the innards of a mechanical epicyclic gearbox like it was in a old automatic. It's an electronic selector switch which is plugged into all the rest of the car's 'nervous system' and interacts with it in all sort of ways. The car's systems need to know which gear is being 'requested' by the selector, and that is obviously a safety-critical function. BMW and ZF will have worked together to get the selector 'talking' to the transmission and the engine, and then satisfied the various regulatory bodies that the selector won't start spewing errant 'select Drive in Sports Mode' signals if someone spills a bottle of Coke onto it or if it drives past an airport radar or something like that. It's bad enough in the Toyota Supra, looks like a joke here especially next to the hi-low range selector, and in the Morgan Plus Six... don't even get me started!
That aside I'm probably in the minority here in liking the Grenadier for the most part...
For Ineos it's simply not worth the money to develop a whole new selector, and in all likelihood BMW/ZF wouldn't allow anyone to put a new selector on their drivetrain combo.
I agree it looks awful - it doesn't fit the rest of the interior at all (although that looks awful in its own, but different way) and it looks especially stupid next to the very simple and traditional range selector. Another reason why, in an ideal world, the Grenadier would be offered with a manual option.
Wab1974uk said:
fantheman80 said:
Absolute state of that centre console, looks like a bad prop off Red Dwarf...
It was designed so you can still use everything while wearing thick gloves. Because some parts of the world are a bit colder than the UK.But don't get me wrong, fine with buttons, just didn't need the corny aviation/spaceship look
2xChevrons said:
So that's the Grenadier confirmed for the "barn conversion in the Cotswolds, spring Bank Holiday at the cottage in Rock, has an expensive mountain bike and an Eddyline kayak" crowd, then...
It was always going to be thus. I can't believe there are still people banging on about how farmers are going to lap this up. It's the same as the new Jimny - gets loads of plaudits for being a real 4x4 and the perfect antidote to the 'Pretender' (ho ho ho), then gets bought almost exclusively as a lifestyle trinket by suburban ponces. That being said I do quite like it - genuinely good off-road, genuinely practical and with some really nice touches. I'm not too sure about the looks but I could live with it. What I couldn't live with is the dreadful fuel consumption for the performance on offer and knowingly giving a large sum of money to Jim Ratcliffe. Even taking that out of the equation I'd get a new Defender though, or if it was to be a work vehicle a Land Cruiser. So we started with the expectation of a product that would beat Defender on price, be circa £40k, and be made in the UK.
And we've ended up with a car that's built abroad and starts at just shy of £5k more than a Defender.
Not that there's anything wrong with foreign manufacturing quality, quite the opposite, but it just seems to be doing a Johnson when it comes to delivering on promises.
And we've ended up with a car that's built abroad and starts at just shy of £5k more than a Defender.
Not that there's anything wrong with foreign manufacturing quality, quite the opposite, but it just seems to be doing a Johnson when it comes to delivering on promises.
Macboy said:
Repeating what I said in the other thread (I’m not a raving eco warrior at all) - Petrol 18.9mpg and Diesel 23.9 combined cycle. It’s honestly quite shocking. It’ll be what, 12 or 14mpg in town? It’s not even Bentley W12 levels. it is a brick on wheels. But still….
That efficiency is dire!Land Rover get so much stick for being over complicated but it’s features like Active Driveline that lets the new Defender get 32+ mpg across town, motorway and countryside driving. That was in a D300 last weekend over 300mi. It’s also a brick but much more efficient, comfortable, modern and cool one.
I can tell you it works properly off road. A good mate, one of the lads from our regular mtb rides, is ex-LR (as in 25 years), now Ineos and has been out all week testing this in the field. He knows his stuff and I think, broadly, he's pleased with it. Catching up with him this evening for a pint, so very interested to hear his thoughts.
Andeh1 said:
£49k for that, when for 5% more you could have a Defender which does everything the Grenadier does, but in vastly more comfort, refinement, luxury, economy, safety and style. You'd have to really really hate yourself to opt out of that.....
I just love it, in a sort of so bad you can't help but watch sort of way.....
Edited by Andeh1 on Friday 29th April 12:38
I like it. It was always going to be niche, so Im not sure that the price really matters too much?
But unless you really want/need this, you'd be bonkers not to get a defender, or other land rover offering. Or a pick-up for more utility.
But unless you really want/need this, you'd be bonkers not to get a defender, or other land rover offering. Or a pick-up for more utility.
Edited by covmutley on Friday 29th April 13:42
jason61c said:
Andeh1 said:
£49k for that, when for 5% more you could have a Defender which does everything the Grenadier does, but in vastly more comfort, refinement, luxury, economy, safety and style. You'd have to really really hate yourself to opt out of that.....
I just love it, in a sort of so bad you can't help but watch sort of way.....
Edited by Andeh1 on Friday 29th April 12:38
Every manufacturer has problems and right now even Porsche are building the odd, dud Taycan, because of the disruption to supply and production caused by the pandemic and also now Ukraine, but LR have had a poor reputation for a while. If the grenadier can be nailed together as well as a Land Cruiser, it will surely develop a following?
Numeric said:
One big question has to be the MPG. I mean of course it will be poor, but are we thinking Hilux 30 ish MPG for the diesel variant or 20.
So I'm a sucker for this kind of thing, but have always stopped my Hilux itch when confronted by a higher than normal mileage and the cost of fuel. OK for companies that offset tax, but if as some say it will be the hunter welly brigade in the UK going for these - well huge fuel consumption may be off putting? While range in more out of the way places on the planet may also be an issue I guess?
Maybe i live in the real world, I don't think the figures, on the new way of testing and reporting figures are too bad.So I'm a sucker for this kind of thing, but have always stopped my Hilux itch when confronted by a higher than normal mileage and the cost of fuel. OK for companies that offset tax, but if as some say it will be the hunter welly brigade in the UK going for these - well huge fuel consumption may be off putting? While range in more out of the way places on the planet may also be an issue I guess?
It looks like 30mpg+ on a run, given most defenders struggle to do mid 20's, a hilux averages about 27mpg in mixed use, its not out there.
jason61c said:
Maybe i live in the real world, I don't think the figures, on the new way of testing and reporting figures are too bad.
It looks like 30mpg+ on a run, given most defenders struggle to do mid 20's, a hilux averages about 27mpg in mixed use, its not out there.
Nice cherry pickingIt looks like 30mpg+ on a run, given most defenders struggle to do mid 20's, a hilux averages about 27mpg in mixed use, its not out there.
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