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Assen race coverage started. As of next year W Series will qualify for F1 superlicence points.
It was wet. The DTM race earlier started under a safety car. (Dried out now)
There's a non championship reverse grid race in the morning, which isn't being shown on C4, it might turn up somewhere on the interweb or YouTube though, maybe.
It was wet. The DTM race earlier started under a safety car. (Dried out now)
There's a non championship reverse grid race in the morning, which isn't being shown on C4, it might turn up somewhere on the interweb or YouTube though, maybe.
Edited by ajprice on Saturday 20th July 14:54
Edited by ajprice on Saturday 20th July 15:11
Some non-championship fun. Sunday morning reversed grid race (based on Championship positions)
https://www.autosport.com/w/news/144904/w-series-r...
https://www.autosport.com/w/news/144904/w-series-r...
Reverse grid race was a decent watch
Don't think Chadwick and Visser cut through the field as may have been expected, though Chadwick did well to get to 8th
Like many series, there are a number of drivers who are more than competent but are just mid grid runners, decent on their own but seem to have little race craft when confronted with a car to overtake, hence they always finish in midfield, irrespective of where they start on the grid
Don't believe in reverse grids personally, or any other form of performance levelling/making the race 'more interesting' The fastest should be at the front
Don't think Chadwick and Visser cut through the field as may have been expected, though Chadwick did well to get to 8th
Like many series, there are a number of drivers who are more than competent but are just mid grid runners, decent on their own but seem to have little race craft when confronted with a car to overtake, hence they always finish in midfield, irrespective of where they start on the grid
Don't believe in reverse grids personally, or any other form of performance levelling/making the race 'more interesting' The fastest should be at the front
freedman said:
Don't believe in reverse grids personally, or any other form of performance levelling/making the race 'more interesting' The fastest should be at the front
Problem is the fastest at the front makes for dull racing for the casual fan which means less viewers, less sponsorship and bye-bye series.Televised racing is competing against many other forms of entertainment not just sports. Sadly the average person still sees motor racing as something easy to do as they drive a car every day and they don't hold racing drivers at the same level of regard as they do other sports persons.
This is all true
Far more people watching cricket, tennis etc last weekend than F1 for it's host GP.
This is has to be the worry, a lot of people are simply not interested in motor racing anymore, it is often boring, predictable, and no amount of novelty series can change that.
Surprised the BBC have not picked this up, they are utterly obsessed with women's sport right now after the sex wages fiasco, they seem to think pushing women's sports is the answer, sadly most see through it.
Far more people watching cricket, tennis etc last weekend than F1 for it's host GP.
This is has to be the worry, a lot of people are simply not interested in motor racing anymore, it is often boring, predictable, and no amount of novelty series can change that.
Surprised the BBC have not picked this up, they are utterly obsessed with women's sport right now after the sex wages fiasco, they seem to think pushing women's sports is the answer, sadly most see through it.
chunder27 said:
Surprised the BBC have not picked this up, they are utterly obsessed with women's sport right now after the sex wages fiasco, they seem to think pushing women's sports is the answer, sadly most see through it.
I don't think motor racing is aligned with the BBC's rhetoric.I've not seen any of this but I just clicked on the link of the reverse grid. Watching it on my phone it was striking in the first lap how there were no lock ups, no mega lunges, no bits of bodywork, no spins etc. I'm not saying that's a bad thing, just markedly different from nearly every other race where it's mainly men driving
Koln-RS said:
Watched it muted in the background at 2x speed, looked quite entertaining then paused it and when resuming it went back to normal speed.Looks like quite a few drivers ignored track limits but there was no repercussions.
Looks like 90% of the comments on the page are by males, would be interesting to see the gender analytics for the viewers.
freedman said:
Reverse grid race was a decent watch
Don't think Chadwick and Visser cut through the field as may have been expected, though Chadwick did well to get to 8th
Like many series, there are a number of drivers who are more than competent but are just mid grid runners, decent on their own but seem to have little race craft when confronted with a car to overtake, hence they always finish in midfield, irrespective of where they start on the grid
Don't believe in reverse grids personally, or any other form of performance levelling/making the race 'more interesting' The fastest should be at the front
Thoroughly enjoyed the reverse-grid race. Not the wreck-fest that was expected. Don't think Chadwick and Visser cut through the field as may have been expected, though Chadwick did well to get to 8th
Like many series, there are a number of drivers who are more than competent but are just mid grid runners, decent on their own but seem to have little race craft when confronted with a car to overtake, hence they always finish in midfield, irrespective of where they start on the grid
Don't believe in reverse grids personally, or any other form of performance levelling/making the race 'more interesting' The fastest should be at the front
It put forward a compelling case for reverse-grid races. You claim midfield drivers stay midfield because they lack racecraft such races forces and teaches to improve racecraft which is why is its used in GP2/F2.
entropy said:
Thoroughly enjoyed the reverse-grid race. Not the wreck-fest that was expected.
It put forward a compelling case for reverse-grid races. You claim midfield drivers stay midfield because they lack racecraft such races forces and teaches to improve racecraft which is why is its used in GP2/F2.
What is the compelling case for revrse grid races?It put forward a compelling case for reverse-grid races. You claim midfield drivers stay midfield because they lack racecraft such races forces and teaches to improve racecraft which is why is its used in GP2/F2.
That it make sit look exciting for peoplke who just want to watch cars passing each other, becuiase faster cars are hampred by grid position?
Yes it makes interesting viewing at time, but to what end, its completely false, INO
Weight penaties, extended pitstops for successful cars, BOP, DRS, its all a nonsense
Make the rules and let those who are the best win within them
As for midfield runners, there are many drivers in many series who are reasonable driver especially when on their own on circuit but just seem incapable of passing anyone, having reverse grids isnt going to change that, it just gives those who are already quicker more passing practice.
chunder27 said:
This is all true
Far more people watching cricket, tennis etc last weekend than F1 for it's host GP.
This is has to be the worry, a lot of people are simply not interested in motor racing anymore, it is often boring, predictable, and no amount of novelty series can change that.
Agreed on all points. But to be fair in terms of sporting narrative finals of major tournaments involving big names is going to trump F1 where Lewis with half a season to go seemingly has both hands in grasp of another WDC. Far more people watching cricket, tennis etc last weekend than F1 for it's host GP.
This is has to be the worry, a lot of people are simply not interested in motor racing anymore, it is often boring, predictable, and no amount of novelty series can change that.
chunder27 said:
Surprised the BBC have not picked this up, they are utterly obsessed with women's sport right now after the sex wages fiasco, they seem to think pushing women's sports is the answer, sadly most see through it.
FTA channels are struggling to compete with pay TV for major sports rights, live coverage especially. How much interest would there have been had the Cricket WC final had no FTA coverage?When the BBC lost F1 in the 90s they showed bike racing and now its on BT Sports.
Personally I had no problem with the women's football WC. UK is a football mad country, league season was over, no major men's tournament and you have certain people who want to point out its another example of equality fascism, please....
freedman said:
What is the compelling case for revrse grid races?
That it make sit look exciting for peoplke who just want to watch cars passing each other, becuiase faster cars are hampred by grid position?
Yes it makes interesting viewing at time, but to what end, its completely false, INO
Weight penaties, extended pitstops for successful cars, BOP, DRS, its all a nonsense
Make the rules and let those who are the best win within them
As for midfield runners, there are many drivers in many series who are reasonable driver especially when on their own on circuit but just seem incapable of passing anyone, having reverse grids isnt going to change that, it just gives those who are already quicker more passing practice.
At best W Series has been interesting to watch but on the whole the racing has been processional. What does that tell you about the cars and drivers?That it make sit look exciting for peoplke who just want to watch cars passing each other, becuiase faster cars are hampred by grid position?
Yes it makes interesting viewing at time, but to what end, its completely false, INO
Weight penaties, extended pitstops for successful cars, BOP, DRS, its all a nonsense
Make the rules and let those who are the best win within them
As for midfield runners, there are many drivers in many series who are reasonable driver especially when on their own on circuit but just seem incapable of passing anyone, having reverse grids isnt going to change that, it just gives those who are already quicker more passing practice.
If reverse grids gives the quicker drivers more passing opportunites then at the very least if you're in the upper midfield then you're forced to tune your race craft.
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