Dallara SF19 or F2 Purchase?

Dallara SF19 or F2 Purchase?

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amir98

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19 posts

Friday 9th October
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Hi guys I have always been curious about this. I have followed super formula and F2 for a while now and I understand it is Dallara that produces the Chassis for both comps. Judging I had a nice pile of cash around, would I be able to purchase such a chassis from dallara to 2020 spec without entering the competitions? This is completely theoretical so no " why would you do that" or "noone has that money around" I'm just curious if a normal person like me could purchase a modern chassis with a nice amount of cash around as I have always had this fantasy of purchasing such a chassis then going to someone like Judd for a V10 engine for the ultimate modern era v10 formula car. I have looked around and it looks nearly impossible to purchase from them as a non motorsport team unless I am looking for their road car.

Cheers for your input in advance.

HustleRussell

18,466 posts

118 months

Nampahc Niloc

476 posts

36 months

Friday 9th October
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I’m sure anyone who had the money and approached them then directly would be able to come to some arrangement.

pablo

15,140 posts

231 months

Saturday 10th October
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You’ve read this right?!

https://www.autosport.com/engineering/feature/9350...

I don’t think Dallara would sell you a car for personal use or let a car for a current series be used outside that series. The FIA have some control over this sort of thing too.

You may have the money to buy one but few teams in the UK have experience of running them and that’s going to be the big cost, you can’t turn up with it on the back of a trailer, fire it up and hit the track.....and it would be “almost” impossible to re-engineer it to take any other drivetrain.

If you just want a fast single seater for track/test days, why not buy an old hillclimb (Gould, Pilbeam etc) car designed for a V8 then stick a modern Chevy LS in it?

I need to stop responding to threads like this....



Edited by pablo on Saturday 10th October 09:07

amir98

Original Poster:

19 posts

Saturday 10th October
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pablo said:
You’ve read this right?!

https://www.autosport.com/engineering/feature/9350...

I don’t think Dallara would sell you a car for personal use or let a car for a current series be used outside that series. The FIA have some control over this sort of thing too.

You may have the money to buy one but few teams in the UK have experience of running them and that’s going to be the big cost, you can’t turn up with it on the back of a trailer, fire it up and hit the track.....and it would be “almost” impossible to re-engineer it to take any other drivetrain.

If you just want a fast single seater for track/test days, why not buy an old hillclimb (Gould, Pilbeam etc) car designed for a V8 then stick a modern Chevy LS in it?

I need to stop responding to threads like this....



Edited by pablo on Saturday 10th October 09:07
Like I mentioned before, this is completely theoretical so I don't want a you won't be able to afford this part or that part answer. I just wanted to know if it would be possible to purchase a 2020 spec chassis from Dallara not specifically one being used in competition and then go to a company like Judd for a v10 to make a 2020 v10 formula car.

amir98

Original Poster:

19 posts

Saturday 10th October
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HustleRussell said:
Haha when I realised I can use the formula renault car quite regularly then my mind started thinking more??

This is a question that has sat on my mind since Vettel said bring back the v12's. Obviously I'd need Lawrence Stroll levels of cash make something like this happen. Just being a bit well off wont do this little dream I've got lol

PaulWoof

1,294 posts

113 months

Saturday 10th October
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Are schools on holiday already? They have just had 6 months off.

amir98

Original Poster:

19 posts

Saturday 10th October
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PaulWoof said:
Are schools on holiday already? They have just had 6 months off.
Not sure if that was a genuine question or a poor attempt at a dig.

pablo

15,140 posts

231 months

Saturday 10th October
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Ok, so the exam question is “can I buy a Dallara SF19 and then find someone capable of, and willing to, completely redesign and rebuild the car to fit a Judd v10?....“

The answer is No.

amir98

Original Poster:

19 posts

Sunday 11th October
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pablo said:
Ok, so the exam question is “can I buy a Dallara SF19 and then find someone capable of, and willing to, completely redesign and rebuild the car to fit a Judd v10?....“

The answer is No.
Not specifically a SF19 chassis. I asked if Dallara would produce a chassis that could accommodate a engine like a judd v10

MG CHRIS

7,179 posts

125 months

Sunday 11th October
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amir98 said:
pablo said:
Ok, so the exam question is “can I buy a Dallara SF19 and then find someone capable of, and willing to, completely redesign and rebuild the car to fit a Judd v10?....“

The answer is No.
Not specifically a SF19 chassis. I asked if Dallara would produce a chassis that could accommodate a engine like a judd v10
You may get better response contacting dallara themselves.

egomeister

5,383 posts

221 months

Sunday 11th October
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MG CHRIS said:
amir98 said:
pablo said:
Ok, so the exam question is “can I buy a Dallara SF19 and then find someone capable of, and willing to, completely redesign and rebuild the car to fit a Judd v10?....“

The answer is No.
Not specifically a SF19 chassis. I asked if Dallara would produce a chassis that could accommodate a engine like a judd v10
You may get better response contacting dallara themselves.
To which the answer is likely yes with a very large invoice attached.

pablo

15,140 posts

231 months

Sunday 11th October
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egomeister said:
MG CHRIS said:
amir98 said:
pablo said:
Ok, so the exam question is “can I buy a Dallara SF19 and then find someone capable of, and willing to, completely redesign and rebuild the car to fit a Judd v10?....“

The answer is No.
Not specifically a SF19 chassis. I asked if Dallara would produce a chassis that could accommodate a engine like a judd v10
You may get better response contacting dallara themselves.
To which the answer is likely yes with a very large invoice attached.
Don’t forget to use your best felt tips when drawing your design for Giancarlo.....

amir98

Original Poster:

19 posts

Sunday 11th October
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Don’t forget to use your best felt tips when drawing your design for Giancarlo.....
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It somehow escaped your head aswell that I mentioned at the start this is completely theoretical. Like no one can have a light chat without an idea being completely and technically correct and plausible.

I Like Tea

61 posts

182 months

Sunday 11th October
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Easiest and maybe cheapest way would be to approach one of the hill climb chassis builders. Gould, OMS and DJ have all fitted NA V8 race engines from Judd, Nicholson McLaren and RPE into their single seaters. Would still expect it to cost you £250k+ though😊

https://www.autosport.com/historics/news/152149/sh...

pablo

15,140 posts

231 months

Monday 12th October
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Ok, of course theoretically it is possible that you could design a car to accommodate a Judd V10, get Dallara or any other manufacturer to build it and then drive it

The reality is it will never happen. Buy an old formula ford and try re-engineering it to hold a V8, a Rover V8 might fit, then expand your plans....

andrewcliffe

593 posts

182 months

Monday 12th October
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If you have a big enough chequebook, Dallara will talk to you.

Alternatively the older GP2 cars come onto the market at somewhere between £ 150,000 and £ 250,000 depending on what engine life is remaining and spares package. Finding somewhere to run one of these will be difficult, Donington run noisy test days.

Otherwise you could get the Rodin FZed from New Zealand at US$ 650,000 or Tour de Force F1 at circa £ 850,000



Thundersports

459 posts

103 months

Monday 12th October
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A GP2 Dallara ran in BOSS GP with a 4L Judd V10 that was built by Kevin Mansell.

CedricN

549 posts

103 months

Tuesday 13th October
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This should be in the right ballpark, on a very very small budget compared to what you are talking about.

Lola T96/50 combined with a Aud 5,2 l V10 and VAG gearbox, completely DIY in a garage (he is really good at building stuff though). Any competent race car builder should be able to do something similar, based on an ex race car that you can find on racecarsdirect.

This guys previously had both alfa twin turbo, and a supercharged/turbocharged engine in his formula cars, but the v10 is the best yet!

Listen to that sound in the end, couldnt guess that engine was from a barge smile

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GY8YApghajE&fe...

The build thread is in swedish though..
https://rejsa.nu/forum/viewtopic.php?t=107079&...

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Edited by CedricN on Tuesday 13th October 10:06


Edited by CedricN on Tuesday 13th October 10:07

EDLT

15,269 posts

164 months

Wednesday 14th October
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What happened to the Superformula cars, they came with a V12 didn't they?