Taste of remote controlled speed restriction (Karting)

Taste of remote controlled speed restriction (Karting)

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V6todayEVmanana

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314 posts

102 months

Wednesday 14th October
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Had a fun karting session in Hassocks and in the briefing a "virtual pacecar" was mentioned.

It meant that cars could have their speed limited remotely. eg When yellow flags out.

Also was able to penalise drivers who broke the over take on yellow flags rule which meant the rules were followed well.

Made me think of a future where our daily cars are "disabled" like that.

Just wanted to share that tongue out

Kraken

1,534 posts

158 months

Wednesday 14th October
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Don't seen an issue with it on the public road to enforce speed limits to be honest and it would be a godsend in many race series where people think the yellow flag is an opportunity to make up time.

danfilm007

56 posts

98 months

Wednesday 14th October
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This sounds similar to Code 60s (which I think is a great idea!) but most of the UK racing clubs hated it when they tried it didn't they?

V6todayEVmanana

Original Poster:

314 posts

102 months

Thursday 15th October
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I was impressed with it, would have been better if it threw up an LED on the steering wheel as I was always on the throttle so not to miss the race speed reactivation.

Improved the rule obedience, I was overtaken on a yellow and then the culprit's engine power reduced and I whizzed by. Next time the yellow flags were out the same driver followed the rules.

Good way to stop the crazy drivers near the end of the session in a safe manner. Those ignoring even the black flags.

Kraken

1,534 posts

158 months

Thursday 15th October
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danfilm007 said:
This sounds similar to Code 60s (which I think is a great idea!) but most of the UK racing clubs hated it when they tried it didn't they?
Biggest issue with code 60 for normal club cars is it's totally down to the driver to control the speed rather than pushing a speed limiting button as in GT's plus there is the issue of variance in speedometers between GPS and traditional let alone the inaccuracies with people fitting bigger wheels etc.

Code 60 only really works if the cars are limited electronically with verified speeds IMO.

RSTurboPaul

2,915 posts

216 months

Thursday 15th October
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Kraken said:
Don't seen an issue with it on the public road to enforce speed limits to be honest and it would be a godsend in many race series where people think the yellow flag is an opportunity to make up time.
Because all the speed limits on the road are set using science and the 85th percentile approach, and not by local busybodies and councillors trying to look like they are 'doing something'?

Kraken

1,534 posts

158 months

Thursday 15th October
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RSTurboPaul said:
Because all the speed limits on the road are set using science and the 85th percentile approach, and not by local busybodies and councillors trying to look like they are 'doing something'?
Local busybodies? You mean people who are trying to stop their kids being killed by nutters doing 70 in 30 zones?

RSTurboPaul

2,915 posts

216 months

Thursday 15th October
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Kraken said:
RSTurboPaul said:
Because all the speed limits on the road are set using science and the 85th percentile approach, and not by local busybodies and councillors trying to look like they are 'doing something'?
Local busybodies? You mean people who are trying to stop their kids being killed by nutters doing 70 in 30 zones?
Are you saying that said nutters will ignore a 30mph limit but will definitely stick to a 20mph limit?

Or will ignore a 60mph limit but totally see the point of a now-dawdling 40mph limit and stick to it religiously?

Kraken

1,534 posts

158 months

Friday 16th October
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RSTurboPaul said:
Are you saying that said nutters will ignore a 30mph limit but will definitely stick to a 20mph limit?

Or will ignore a 60mph limit but totally see the point of a now-dawdling 40mph limit and stick to it religiously?
If the car automatically won't allow them to go over the speed limit then yes they will obey. That's the point of the thread....

No idea what point you're trying to make. You were calling people who are trying to enforce speed limits busybodies. You seem to be implying that because some people won't obey any speed limit there shouldn't be any at all.

RSTurboPaul

2,915 posts

216 months

Saturday 17th October
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Kraken said:
RSTurboPaul said:
Are you saying that said nutters will ignore a 30mph limit but will definitely stick to a 20mph limit?

Or will ignore a 60mph limit but totally see the point of a now-dawdling 40mph limit and stick to it religiously?
If the car automatically won't allow them to go over the speed limit then yes they will obey. That's the point of the thread....

No idea what point you're trying to make. You were calling people who are trying to enforce speed limits busybodies. You seem to be implying that because some people won't obey any speed limit there shouldn't be any at all.
I think you have misinterpreted my post or there are crossed-wires about the subjects under discussion - namely i) (incorrectly set) speed limits, ii) the enforcement of limits, and iii) the effectiveness of limits on 'nutters'.


I was tilting at the fact that speed limits are regularly now set arbitrarily and on the whim of local councillors / local residents/busybodies, with little reference to science or the actual traffic speeds, which means that 'speeding' in excess of a new limit ends up being done by virtually everyone, as the new limits are usually incorrectly set for the road and the sensible majority rightly travel at the same speeds they did previously.

'Virtual limiters' to enforce incorrectly-set lowered limits will therefore make travel along such a road tortuous and unnecessarily slow.

If limits were set properly, using 85th percentile science, 'virtual limiters' would not be such an issue because driving speeds would still feel 'natural' rather than painfully slow, and the only people affected by the limiters would be 'the nutters' at the very top end of the speed range recorded in the absence of an enforced limit.


WRT the comments about 'nutters', in the absence of continuous enforcement they will ignore any limits, so lowering an unenforced limit to attempt to reduce their speeds is a pointless exercise and just punishes the majority who drive sensibly. (See: 85th percentile)