2022: BTCC and support series

[Dan BSCS]

agent006 said:

Can't help thinking that's a bit of an odd call on Ginetta's part. Maybe there's financial issues that mean they can't afford to carry on with Toca. Certainly makes their development series a lot less attractive in terms of reduced media attention for the drivers & sponsors.

I think it might be more of a global play. Being aligned with SRO who basically run GT racing worldwide. I think they’re looking at the bigger picture. Motorsport is more than BTCC just as it is more than F1.

[agent006]

Is British GT that big of a deal now? I am hopelessly out of touch with national motorsport in the last decade or so.

[Milkyway]

So introduce a glorious V8... & then leave.

[Dan BSCS]

agent006 said:

Is British GT that big of a deal now? I am hopelessly out of touch with national motorsport in the last decade or so.

Like I said, it’s bigger than British GT. It’s GT racing worldwide.

[Milkyway]

My Nephew is on a BTCC forum... apparently, the FIESTA CUP has been mentioned.

[andy97]

agent006 said:

MG CHRIS said:

Last year for ginetta on the support package moving over to British GT bill. Wonder what will replace it maybe caterham.

Can't help thinking that's a bit of an odd call on Ginetta's part. Maybe there's financial issues that mean they can't afford to carry on with Toca. Certainly makes their development series a lot less attractive in terms of reduced media attention for the drivers & sponsors.

The TOCA fees for the support races and TV package are V high, and that cost is passed on to the drivers, not Ginetta!

[rallycross]

andy97 said:

The TOCA fees for the support races and TV package are V high, and that cost is passed on to the drivers, not Ginetta!

Don’t Ginetta pay a large fee to be on the Toca package?

[LukeBrown66]

More than likely but they are a far bigger part of the British GT package, cheaper obviously but perhaps not that cheap s they are allied to SRo, and also linked to a series promoting not just top end drivers but also rich average drivers, something that BTCC does embrace clearly but not as much as GT racing

[andy97]

rallycross said:

andy97 said:

The TOCA fees for the support races and TV package are V high, and that cost is passed on to the drivers, not Ginetta!

Don’t Ginetta pay a large fee to be on the Toca package?

Recovered from the drivers registration and race entrance fees, as I understand it.

[Sgt Joe Roberts]

Bummer. The Ginetta races ( Juniors & Seniors ) have been my favourite support races on the BTCC package. The Minis are good everything else is time for tea and toilet breaks.

[Dan BSCS]

I don’t understand how people can say the Minis are good. I don’t find two red flags and long safety car periods in every race very entertaining.

[Milkyway]

Dan BSCS said:

I don’t understand how people can say the Minis are good. I don’t find two red flags and long safety car periods in every race very entertaining.

The older Mini Sevens are more entertaining...

[coppice]

The golden rule , in racing as in music, is that the support band must not upstage the headline act . Which is why nearly every BTCC meeting I've been to might have a fairly lively junior Ginetta race but the rest offer nothing like the diversity in sound and look of a good club meeting . Very few spec formulae work - M1 Procars and Tuscans did , but close though the racing can be , a field of identical Sevens , MX5s , Minis or MINIs rarely enthrals.

[Milkyway]

It needs a formula for ‘real’ cars & with lots of variation.
No gimmicks, just pure close racing. (Goodwood style).
A class system will work just fine but will also provide entertaining racing.
Much as I love the Touring cars... they are akin to the old Special / supersaloon days.
As with Hybrid... I’m not yet convinced.

It will be interesting to hear what Tim, Paul, Richard & co have to say about it this weekend.
Paul... he will definitely miss the Juniors.

Edited by Milkyway on Friday 23 September 11:06

[Dan BSCS]

coppice said:

l Very few spec formulae work - M1 Procars and Tuscans did , but close though the racing can be , a field of identical Sevens , MX5s , Minis or MINIs rarely enthrals.

I disagree entirely.

[Milkyway]

Juniors... in Legends.

Race 1: Grid randomly drawn
Race 2: Race1 grid reversed.
Race 3: Grid... Aggregate of both races.
( Lap / practice times taken into consideration to separate them if required)

So each driver would get a Front / Middle / Back start.

Edited by Milkyway on Saturday 24th September 17:42

[Sebring440]

Milkyway said:

Juniors... in Legends.

Race 1: Grid randomly drawn
Race 2: Race 1 grid reversed.
Race 3: Grid... Aggregate of both races.
( Lap / practice times taken into consideration to separate them if required)

Edited by Milkyway on Saturday 24th September 05:34

And who would "randomly" draw the grid?

[MB140]

Sebring440 said:

Milkyway said:

Juniors... in Legends.

Race 1: Grid randomly drawn
Race 2: Race 1 grid reversed.
Race 3: Grid... Aggregate of both races.
( Lap / practice times taken into consideration to separate them if required)

Edited by Milkyway on Saturday 24th September 05:34

And who would "randomly" draw the grid?

Doesn't matter who, you could do it with numbered balls just like they do the reverse grid selection for race 3 of BTCC, every drivers number goes in and start drawing numbers out 1st out gets pole and so on. Its not that difficult.

[Milkyway]

MB140 said:

Doesn't matter who, you could do it with numbered balls just like they do the reverse grid selection for race 3 of BTCC, every drivers number goes in and start drawing numbers out 1st out gets pole and so on. Its not that difficult.

Option #2.
Or like the FA cup draws;
Driver v Grid position...a totally random mash up.
( But you get my drift).

Edited by Milkyway on Saturday 24th September 17:40

[Downward]

Having never been to a race whats the deal for say next year with Ticketsand costs ?

Say I’d go to Donington Park what’s the schedule on the day ?