2022: BTCC and support series

2022: BTCC and support series

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Dan BSCS

1,089 posts

217 months

Wednesday 21st September
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agent006 said:
Can't help thinking that's a bit of an odd call on Ginetta's part. Maybe there's financial issues that mean they can't afford to carry on with Toca. Certainly makes their development series a lot less attractive in terms of reduced media attention for the drivers & sponsors.
I think it might be more of a global play. Being aligned with SRO who basically run GT racing worldwide. I think they’re looking at the bigger picture. Motorsport is more than BTCC just as it is more than F1.

agent006

11,828 posts

245 months

Wednesday 21st September
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Is British GT that big of a deal now? I am hopelessly out of touch with national motorsport in the last decade or so.

Milkyway

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4,883 posts

34 months

Wednesday 21st September
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So introduce a glorious V8... & then leave. confused

Dan BSCS

1,089 posts

217 months

Wednesday 21st September
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agent006 said:
Is British GT that big of a deal now? I am hopelessly out of touch with national motorsport in the last decade or so.
Like I said, it’s bigger than British GT. It’s GT racing worldwide.

Milkyway

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4,883 posts

34 months

Wednesday 21st September
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My Nephew is on a BTCC forum... apparently, the FIESTA CUP has been mentioned. scratchchin

andy97

4,443 posts

203 months

Wednesday 21st September
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agent006 said:
MG CHRIS said:
Last year for ginetta on the support package moving over to British GT bill. Wonder what will replace it maybe caterham.
Can't help thinking that's a bit of an odd call on Ginetta's part. Maybe there's financial issues that mean they can't afford to carry on with Toca. Certainly makes their development series a lot less attractive in terms of reduced media attention for the drivers & sponsors.
The TOCA fees for the support races and TV package are V high, and that cost is passed on to the drivers, not Ginetta!

rallycross

11,808 posts

218 months

Wednesday 21st September
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andy97 said:
The TOCA fees for the support races and TV package are V high, and that cost is passed on to the drivers, not Ginetta!
Don’t Ginetta pay a large fee to be on the Toca package?

LukeBrown66

2,822 posts

27 months

Wednesday 21st September
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More than likely but they are a far bigger part of the British GT package, cheaper obviously but perhaps not that cheap s they are allied to SRo, and also linked to a series promoting not just top end drivers but also rich average drivers, something that BTCC does embrace clearly but not as much as GT racing

andy97

4,443 posts

203 months

Thursday 22nd September
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rallycross said:
andy97 said:
The TOCA fees for the support races and TV package are V high, and that cost is passed on to the drivers, not Ginetta!
Don’t Ginetta pay a large fee to be on the Toca package?
Recovered from the drivers registration and race entrance fees, as I understand it.

Sgt Joe Roberts

116 posts

11 months

Thursday 22nd September
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Bummer. The Ginetta races ( Juniors & Seniors ) have been my favourite support races on the BTCC package. The Minis are good everything else is time for tea and toilet breaks.

Dan BSCS

1,089 posts

217 months

Thursday 22nd September
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I don’t understand how people can say the Minis are good. I don’t find two red flags and long safety car periods in every race very entertaining.

Milkyway

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4,883 posts

34 months

Thursday 22nd September
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Dan BSCS said:
I don’t understand how people can say the Minis are good. I don’t find two red flags and long safety car periods in every race very entertaining.
The older Mini Sevens are more entertaining...

coppice

7,508 posts

125 months

Friday 23rd September
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The golden rule , in racing as in music, is that the support band must not upstage the headline act . Which is why nearly every BTCC meeting I've been to might have a fairly lively junior Ginetta race but the rest offer nothing like the diversity in sound and look of a good club meeting . Very few spec formulae work - M1 Procars and Tuscans did , but close though the racing can be , a field of identical Sevens , MX5s , Minis or MINIs rarely enthrals.

Milkyway

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4,883 posts

34 months

Friday 23rd September
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It needs a formula for ‘real’ cars & with lots of variation.
No gimmicks, just pure close racing. (Goodwood style).
A class system will work just fine but will also provide entertaining racing.
Much as I love the Touring cars... they are akin to the old Special / supersaloon days.
As with Hybrid... I’m not yet convinced.

It will be interesting to hear what Tim, Paul, Richard & co have to say about it this weekend.
Paul... he will definitely miss the Juniors.


Edited by Milkyway on Friday 23 September 11:06

Dan BSCS

1,089 posts

217 months

Friday 23rd September
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coppice said:
l Very few spec formulae work - M1 Procars and Tuscans did , but close though the racing can be , a field of identical Sevens , MX5s , Minis or MINIs rarely enthrals.
I disagree entirely.

Milkyway

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4,883 posts

34 months

Saturday
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Juniors... in Legends. scratchchin

Race 1: Grid randomly drawn
Race 2: Race1 grid reversed.
Race 3: Grid... Aggregate of both races.
( Lap / practice times taken into consideration to separate them if required)

So each driver would get a Front / Middle / Back start.


Edited by Milkyway on Saturday 24th September 17:42

Sebring440

1,116 posts

77 months

Saturday
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Milkyway said:
Juniors... in Legends. scratchchin

Race 1: Grid randomly drawn
Race 2: Race 1 grid reversed.
Race 3: Grid... Aggregate of both races.
( Lap / practice times taken into consideration to separate them if required)


Edited by Milkyway on Saturday 24th September 05:34
And who would "randomly" draw the grid?

MB140

3,418 posts

84 months

Saturday
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Sebring440 said:
Milkyway said:
Juniors... in Legends. scratchchin

Race 1: Grid randomly drawn
Race 2: Race 1 grid reversed.
Race 3: Grid... Aggregate of both races.
( Lap / practice times taken into consideration to separate them if required)


Edited by Milkyway on Saturday 24th September 05:34
And who would "randomly" draw the grid?
Doesn't matter who, you could do it with numbered balls just like they do the reverse grid selection for race 3 of BTCC, every drivers number goes in and start drawing numbers out 1st out gets pole and so on. Its not that difficult.

Milkyway

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4,883 posts

34 months

Saturday
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MB140 said:
Doesn't matter who, you could do it with numbered balls just like they do the reverse grid selection for race 3 of BTCC, every drivers number goes in and start drawing numbers out 1st out gets pole and so on. Its not that difficult.
Option #2.
Or like the FA cup draws;
Driver v Grid position...a totally random mash up. scratchchin
( But you get my drift).


Edited by Milkyway on Saturday 24th September 17:40

Downward

2,347 posts

84 months

Having never been to a race whats the deal for say next year with Ticketsand costs ?

Say I’d go to Donington Park what’s the schedule on the day ?