The one and only 2016 VW Polo Gti 6C
Discussion
JoeMarano said:
Cringe all you like it just shows people spend a fortune on modifying their cars when they would be better off modifying their driving!
Found out my 2:29 at Snetterton is faster than the autocar test driver could manage in the Mountune Fiesta ST which shows that either I'm awesome (unlikely) or that the Fiesta hype is just that.
That would depend on the circuit used, so don't get ahead of yourself yet.Found out my 2:29 at Snetterton is faster than the autocar test driver could manage in the Mountune Fiesta ST which shows that either I'm awesome (unlikely) or that the Fiesta hype is just that.
Here's the Fiesta being driven by a race driver at the same track on the same day.
https://youtu.be/Ts3btzufX1M
Your Polo is your choice but when there are numerous tests & your Polo doesn't get into the top three you need to admit it's not better than the Fiesta (that doesn't mean it's not fun it's just not the best) it's okay to choose something different but please stop banging on that your Polo is a better hot hatch than the Fiesta & that all the road testers are caught in the hype, it makes you come across as stupid which I'm sure you're not.
My CLK wasn't seen as better than the V8 M3 at the time it didn't stop me buying one.
So in that test the Polo was the DSG version with 185lb/ft versus the manuals 236lb/ft) and from a standing start (because that's how all tests are done and there's no way that it could be down to a bad launch or anything)
I just think it's suspicious when I know someone with many mods on his ST (springs, upper and lower intake, revo stage 2, tyres, exhaust, intercooler) and he's not a bad driver by any means and he's "only" done a 2:27 which certainly makes me question the validity of these tests as a lot of publications are very biased against VAG products for example the Leon Cupra 280 always seemed to lose against the clock to the Megane 265 even though it took the ring record from it etc
I don't question the Fiesta as a good car and I'm not even saying the Polo is as good dynamically but it's a joke to say one is definitively better than the other when my whole 6 month ownership experience proves there's more to the Polo than people give it credit for!
When on trackdays people come up and tell me they are genuinely shocked by its performance (such as the k swap 200bhp lotus Elise owner) as they thought it was just a bland VW warm hatch that understeer everywhere I do think the ST is a bit overhyped (possibly because it's a global platform and it's the first decent hatch America has had in a while, funnily enough they don't sell the Polo across the pond
I just think it's suspicious when I know someone with many mods on his ST (springs, upper and lower intake, revo stage 2, tyres, exhaust, intercooler) and he's not a bad driver by any means and he's "only" done a 2:27 which certainly makes me question the validity of these tests as a lot of publications are very biased against VAG products for example the Leon Cupra 280 always seemed to lose against the clock to the Megane 265 even though it took the ring record from it etc
I don't question the Fiesta as a good car and I'm not even saying the Polo is as good dynamically but it's a joke to say one is definitively better than the other when my whole 6 month ownership experience proves there's more to the Polo than people give it credit for!
When on trackdays people come up and tell me they are genuinely shocked by its performance (such as the k swap 200bhp lotus Elise owner) as they thought it was just a bland VW warm hatch that understeer everywhere I do think the ST is a bit overhyped (possibly because it's a global platform and it's the first decent hatch America has had in a while, funnily enough they don't sell the Polo across the pond
Edited by JoeMarano on Wednesday 26th October 02:03
Edited by JoeMarano on Wednesday 26th October 02:10
Your gauging your car against fellow trackday drivers who have varying degrees of talent, for example I can lap Brands GP in mid 1.31's but when I leant my bike to one of our racers he went straight into 1.29's without changing the set up.
I've seen people turn up with full on ex world superbikes & they've been slower than guys on 600's.
As an example I came across an RS7 on saturday I was in my CLK320 Diesel we ended up having a little tustle down some A roads due to my car being very well setup (as well as knowing the roads) I gapped him by some margin, does that mean my CLK diesel is better than the RS7, of course it doesn't it just means on that day I was the better driver.
The Fiesta is a cracking car it's not hype it really gets a move on there are few that are nigh on 300bhp & they were flying round Brands indy, people are surprised your GTI isn't s
t due to previous generations being st, from what you & road testers say yours is an improvement which is good but as good as it is the fact remains the Fiesta 208 GTI Clio are classed as better supermini hot hatches Top Gear magazine EVO PH & Autocar just to name a few all say so.
Just enjoy your car & don't worry about Fiesta ST's
I've seen people turn up with full on ex world superbikes & they've been slower than guys on 600's.
As an example I came across an RS7 on saturday I was in my CLK320 Diesel we ended up having a little tustle down some A roads due to my car being very well setup (as well as knowing the roads) I gapped him by some margin, does that mean my CLK diesel is better than the RS7, of course it doesn't it just means on that day I was the better driver.
The Fiesta is a cracking car it's not hype it really gets a move on there are few that are nigh on 300bhp & they were flying round Brands indy, people are surprised your GTI isn't s
t due to previous generations being st, from what you & road testers say yours is an improvement which is good but as good as it is the fact remains the Fiesta 208 GTI Clio are classed as better supermini hot hatches Top Gear magazine EVO PH & Autocar just to name a few all say so.Just enjoy your car & don't worry about Fiesta ST's
Edited by ZX10R NIN on Wednesday 26th October 10:05
I know the guy and he's quick! Still doesn't explain why all the versus tests are featuring the inferior torque wise DSG box.
It also uses a downsized ea888 engine as featured in the Leon, Gti, R, RS3 etc so it can also be taken to decent power levels quite easily.
I'm happy with it. Just sick of the "should have got an ST comments" when clearly it's not the car for ME
It also uses a downsized ea888 engine as featured in the Leon, Gti, R, RS3 etc so it can also be taken to decent power levels quite easily.
I'm happy with it. Just sick of the "should have got an ST comments" when clearly it's not the car for ME
JoeMarano said:
I know the guy and he's quick! Still doesn't explain why all the versus tests are featuring the inferior torque wise DSG box.
It also uses a downsized ea888 engine as featured in the Leon, Gti, R, RS3 etc so it can also be taken to decent power levels quite easily.
I'm happy with it. Just sick of the "should have got an ST comments" when clearly it's not the car for ME
Nobody particularly seems to be saying that. It's always you that brings up the Fiesta ST. When you get your next car, we'll be seeing "The polo GTI was quite bland, HERE IS THE ONE AND ONLY PEUGEOT 107 GTR-R-GTI-RS"It also uses a downsized ea888 engine as featured in the Leon, Gti, R, RS3 etc so it can also be taken to decent power levels quite easily.
I'm happy with it. Just sick of the "should have got an ST comments" when clearly it's not the car for ME
JoeMarano said:
but it's a joke to say one is definitively better than the other when my whole 6 month ownership experience proves there's more to the Polo than people give it credit for!
Think about what you're saying here.The reviews are done by journalists who drive all the cars for long periods of time. You want us to believe that they can't be trusted because you have driven one of the cars for a longer period of time.
This whole thread reminds me of this guy and his 595 competizione
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
In almost every post his compering ST to the greatest 595 ever made
Just enjoy your car ffs.
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
In almost every post his compering ST to the greatest 595 ever made
Just enjoy your car ffs.
f1nn said:
I went through this stage, blindly justifying why the car I had was better than the next, picking useless stats to validate my choice.....
I suppose we all experience this in our late teens.
its called fanboyism, "i have bought X ergo everything that is not x is sI suppose we all experience this in our late teens.
te", the best are the apple/andriod and xbox/ps drones JoeMarano said:
I know the guy and he's quick! Still doesn't explain why all the versus tests are featuring the inferior torque wise DSG box.
It also uses a downsized ea888 engine as featured in the Leon, Gti, R, RS3 etc so it can also be taken to decent power levels quite easily.
I'm happy with it. Just sick of the "should have got an ST comments" when clearly it's not the car for ME
Just remind us all again....which is the car for you again??It also uses a downsized ea888 engine as featured in the Leon, Gti, R, RS3 etc so it can also be taken to decent power levels quite easily.
I'm happy with it. Just sick of the "should have got an ST comments" when clearly it's not the car for ME
Simple. Just don't do it in your own car
Technically it doesn't say that track days void the warranty just time trials and racing.
In fact track days aren't even mentioned. I think it's a grey area and also what's to stop you going out right now and thrashing it for a full 24 hours on the road? Nothing. Yet you can bet that you are still covered.
Technically it doesn't say that track days void the warranty just time trials and racing.
In fact track days aren't even mentioned. I think it's a grey area and also what's to stop you going out right now and thrashing it for a full 24 hours on the road? Nothing. Yet you can bet that you are still covered.
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