Honey, I shrunk the Defender...

Honey, I shrunk the Defender...

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595Heaven

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1,329 posts

42 months

Wednesday 3rd March
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RunEveryInchOfTheWorld said:
The receipt! smile
Ok, pricing....

21MY Defender 90 X-Dynamic HSE £58,820
Secure Tracker Pro (36 months) £745
Metallic Paint £895
Detachable Towbar £780
Black Roof Bars £330

Grand total OTR £61,570

cerb4.5lee

18,503 posts

144 months

Wednesday 3rd March
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It is nice to see one of these in detail, thanks for the photos. thumbup

RunEveryInchOfTheWorld

1,784 posts

13 months

Wednesday 3rd March
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595Heaven said:
RunEveryInchOfTheWorld said:
The receipt! smile
Ok, pricing....

21MY Defender 90 X-Dynamic HSE £58,820
Secure Tracker Pro (36 months) £745
Metallic Paint £895
Detachable Towbar £780
Black Roof Bars £330

Grand total OTR £61,570
Good options.

Shelsleyf2

389 posts

196 months

Wednesday 3rd March
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595Heaven said:
And finally... coil springs!

Front:


The rear photo is very poor so I’ll try again tomorrow!

That’s it for now, but let me know if you want to see anything else!
Is that the chrome suspension rod, the cover leaves the strut exposed?. The gaiter should surely seal the rod from the elements?

2Btoo

2,110 posts

167 months

Wednesday 3rd March
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595Heaven said:
Ok, pricing....

21MY Defender 90 X-Dynamic HSE £58,820
Secure Tracker Pro (36 months) £745
Metallic Paint £895
Detachable Towbar £780
Black Roof Bars £330

Grand total OTR £61,570
Oooof - that's a LOT of cash, whichever way you look at it.

Either the LR products are going seriously up-market or they are assuming that everyone is going to buy on finance so they can gouge long and hard on the price.

Clifford Chambers

21,237 posts

147 months

Wednesday 3rd March
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2Btoo said:
595Heaven said:
Ok, pricing....

21MY Defender 90 X-Dynamic HSE £58,820
Secure Tracker Pro (36 months) £745
Metallic Paint £895
Detachable Towbar £780
Black Roof Bars £330

Grand total OTR £61,570
Oooof - that's a LOT of cash, whichever way you look at it.

Either the LR products are going seriously up-market or they are assuming that everyone is going to buy on finance so they can gouge long and hard on the price.
Only if you spec it up, the basic rufty tufty version doesn't get the leather steering wheel.

SUVs are where its at, pickups and Kubotas saw to that.

Edited by Clifford Chambers on Wednesday 3rd March 17:42

take-good-care-of-the-forest-dewey

1,193 posts

19 months

Wednesday 3rd March
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The lack of flat load area when the seats are folded is such an own goal.

What the hell where LR thinking with that design decision.

Clifford Chambers

21,237 posts

147 months

Wednesday 3rd March
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take-good-care-of-the-forest-dewey said:
The lack of flat load area when the seats are folded is such an own goal.

What the hell where LR thinking with that design decision.
I don't suppose it really matters, you're hardly likely to be seeing a tup and a hay bale hanging out the back.

take-good-care-of-the-forest-dewey

1,193 posts

19 months

Wednesday 3rd March
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Clifford Chambers said:
take-good-care-of-the-forest-dewey said:
The lack of flat load area when the seats are folded is such an own goal.

What the hell where LR thinking with that design decision.
I don't suppose it really matters, you're hardly likely to be seeing a tup and a hay bale hanging out the back.
Why would I remotely want to do that???

It's a 60k car not a pick-up.

I might want some usable load space though and a flat base is quite important for that.


Clifford Chambers

21,237 posts

147 months

Wednesday 3rd March
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take-good-care-of-the-forest-dewey said:
Clifford Chambers said:
take-good-care-of-the-forest-dewey said:
The lack of flat load area when the seats are folded is such an own goal.

What the hell where LR thinking with that design decision.
I don't suppose it really matters, you're hardly likely to be seeing a tup and a hay bale hanging out the back.
Why would I remotely want to do that???

It's a 60k car not a pick-up.

I might want some usable load space though and a flat base is quite important for that.
QED

abzmike

3,743 posts

70 months

Wednesday 3rd March
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I love the look and chunkiness of these from the outside, but to me the load space is massivley compromised. I"m not carrying sheep or bales of hay, but I am going to Tesco. More than a bag and I need to put seats down.

Clifford Chambers

21,237 posts

147 months

Wednesday 3rd March
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abzmike said:
I love the look and chunkiness of these from the outside, but to me the load space is massivley compromised. I"m not carrying sheep or bales of hay, but I am going to Tesco. More than a bag and I need to put seats down.
Hardcore. beer

Easternlight

2,701 posts

108 months

Wednesday 3rd March
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Looks like my Yeti's big brother!

abzmike

3,743 posts

70 months

Wednesday 3rd March
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Clifford Chambers said:
abzmike said:
I love the look and chunkiness of these from the outside, but to me the load space is massivley compromised. I"m not carrying sheep or bales of hay, but I am going to Tesco. More than a bag and I need to put seats down.
Hardcore. beer
Lol, as it happens I live in a location and up a sufficiently long and rough track that I could fully justify a purchase on more than fashion reasons. But I also need to eat, go to the dump and garden centre and golf club. One day I might want to put a dog in the back. They are all going to be awkward. Even if the back seats were on runners it might help. It isn’t a small vehicle, but the packaging just isn’t great.

Clifford Chambers

21,237 posts

147 months

Wednesday 3rd March
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abzmike said:
Clifford Chambers said:
abzmike said:
I love the look and chunkiness of these from the outside, but to me the load space is massivley compromised. I"m not carrying sheep or bales of hay, but I am going to Tesco. More than a bag and I need to put seats down.
Hardcore. beer
Lol, as it happens I live in a location and up a sufficiently long and rough track that I could fully justify a purchase on more than fashion reasons. But I also need to eat, go to the dump and garden centre and golf club. One day I might want to put a dog in the back. They are all going to be awkward. Even if the back seats were on runners it might help. It isn’t a small vehicle, but the packaging just isn’t great.
Good point.

I'm sure they'll do very well. wink

abzmike

3,743 posts

70 months

Wednesday 3rd March
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Clifford Chambers said:
abzmike said:
Clifford Chambers said:
abzmike said:
I love the look and chunkiness of these from the outside, but to me the load space is massivley compromised. I"m not carrying sheep or bales of hay, but I am going to Tesco. More than a bag and I need to put seats down.
Hardcore. beer
Lol, as it happens I live in a location and up a sufficiently long and rough track that I could fully justify a purchase on more than fashion reasons. But I also need to eat, go to the dump and garden centre and golf club. One day I might want to put a dog in the back. They are all going to be awkward. Even if the back seats were on runners it might help. It isn’t a small vehicle, but the packaging just isn’t great.
Good point.

I'm sure they'll do very well. wink
Undoubtedly - they’ll sell as many as they can make at pretty much any price they want to charge.

Clifford Chambers

21,237 posts

147 months

Thursday 4th March
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Easternlight said:
Looks like my Yeti's big brother!
I've always liked these.

had ham

4,498 posts

147 months

Thursday 4th March
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I think this looks wonderful, and I'm assured (from your thread and other, more direct, feedback) that the drive is very good both on and off-road. Love the colour and the wheels, but not sure about the gloss black external trim, although that just might be how it looks in the photos. Pricey, but not outrageously so. Just a very attractive vehicle and it will (is) sell very, very, strongly.

Mrs HH was equally impressed when I showed her your previous, and now this, thread. She has as a result decided that something like this one needs to be her next car - she was actually on the configurator last night trying to decide spec. She used to run 'rugged' 4x4s before converting to sportier and smaller cars when the kids all started to drive/get their own cars, but she now has a desire/need (we are sticks-dwellers) to get back into a 4x4 again. Nothing on the market has remotely interested her of late until this came along. So thanks, this could cost me biggrin!

I'll end with a somewhat sensitive question - are you able to comment on the build quality? As a consultant in the Auto industry of some 25+ years, I'm cognisant of the less than perfect in-market quality performance of LR products, particularly as they have become increasingly complex in recent years - have Nitra and its' supply chain been able to address some of these shortcomings do you think? Will understand of course if you don't wish to comment.

Thanks for sharing, and enjoy!

Nickbrapp

3,944 posts

94 months

Thursday 4th March
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I really like the looks of these, but when you say upgraded lights please don’t tell me standard lowest trim models get non LED headlamps on a 50k+ car?!

Also what are the 2 smaller lights at the back they look a bit awkward

I was next to a 110 recently in traffic and it looked huge! As big as a Range Rover!

They do look cool though

2Btoo

2,110 posts

167 months

Thursday 4th March
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Clifford Chambers said:
2Btoo said:
595Heaven said:
Ok, pricing....

21MY Defender 90 X-Dynamic HSE £58,820
Secure Tracker Pro (36 months) £745
Metallic Paint £895
Detachable Towbar £780
Black Roof Bars £330

Grand total OTR £61,570
Oooof - that's a LOT of cash, whichever way you look at it.

Either the LR products are going seriously up-market or they are assuming that everyone is going to buy on finance so they can gouge long and hard on the price.
Only if you spec it up, the basic rufty tufty version doesn't get the leather steering wheel.

SUVs are where its at, pickups and Kubotas saw to that.
A quick glance at the Land Rover website says that the new Defender is available "From £44200". I don't know what you get for that but assume it's something with a completely plastic interior and a basic, rough-as-you-like diesel engine.

£44k is a LOT to spend on a car. By comparison it seems that a starter model 5-series is £39270 (BMW website), nearly 15% less.

LR is clearly setting it's sights a long way up-market and assuming it can charge accordingly. Forgive me for not rushing down to my local dealer (Lakeland LR in Torver) to trade in my two old Defenders as I simply can't afford it, and I doubt my fellow sheep-farming neighbours will be doing so either.